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[MostlyAutumn]

TheStoner wrote...

The completionist playhthrough of ME2 I did on vetaran difficulty in preperation for this game took 22 hours. I very much doubt this will be 200 hours long.

My shortest full playthrough on insanity was 30 hours. And I did 5 of those plus some incomplete ones. I'm not saying it's true for everyone, but I was satisfied with what I got from the game.

Modifié par MostlyAutumn, 23 février 2012 - 06:26 .

[mjharper]

mogonk wrote...

Guys, nobody has answered my question. I'm assuming you folks know something I don't. Would you mind taking a minute to fill me in?

The demo is a pre-final build of the game. Casey Hudson said that they didn't work on the DLC until after the game was finished and sent to MS. How can there be DLC files in the demo?

I just don't understand. Is he lying, or not?

Nobody can actually prove lying or not, but the probable reason for the files is that the scripts and voice overs have to be completed before most of the other work can be done - you have to know what story you're trying to tell before you make the content, and if you don't have the voice work you can't animate it.

Also, Bioware have stated that the voice work was done early because it was important to make sure that the character interaction was well integrated into the game.

As such, there is theoretically no contradiction about working on the DLC after the game went gold, even if some of the planning, including script and voice work where done before that. Essentially, you make sure that the necessary connections with the main game are in place, then put it to one side to finish later.

None of which answers your question about lying, but no-one can answer that. 

[ArkkAngel007]

Yuoaman wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Rycr wrote...
 if it weren't for that accidental leak, we wouldn't even know about it yet!

We're assuming it was accidental.  They seem to have a lot of trouble keeping their code under wraps, don't they?

And if the prothean DLC is actually worthless, then I'd suggest Bioware could do a lot to diffuse this situation by saying that.  Tell me its superfluous fluff on the measure of a hoodie for Shepard or a robot pet and we'll be good.

It won't be, Javik has a lot of interesting information on the backstory of the Mass Effect universe, for someone who cares about the plot of the series this is incredibly important.

There's a difference between important to the actual game then important to a fan's curiosity.  Never saw how the Sith and Jedi began in Star Wars, but that didn't cripple or affect the films in any way.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 23 février 2012 - 06:30 .

[Niemack Saarinen]

fropas wrote...


Looking at the new trend in DLC content I'm sure BW appreciates Niemack more than ppl who boycott the game because of  day-1 DLC. . .I'm sure BW would want all its fans to be happy and spend their time doing what they feel is worthwhile. If fans don't want to play the SE Mass Effect then they shouldn't buy it in my opinion.

Oh no, dont lump me in with them, i was being sarcastic.  I have CE and i intend to keep my pre-order and i find it justifiable for them to ask 10$ on a DLC because of the work put into this triliogy.  I just find it amusing that people are standing on their soap boxes chanting talking points over and over rather then coming to the conclusion that they dont matter at all.  

[Naughty Bear]

Yuoaman wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

_symphony wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

So I notice the announcement said that the DLC was for a prothean squadmate

Would this by chance be implying that the Prothean will be in the game without the DLC, but simply not as a joinable character?

That's a good question, if he is in the game, then my anger is baseless.

To reiterate, I don't care about the DLC or the CE, my problem is that they aparently added a prothean alive, and because is a DLC, he's irrelevant to the main plot.

Think about it, a prothean irrelevant in the fight against the reapers, is just .... what.

Not all Protheans are warriors. I'm sure civilians existed.

How would you be relevant to fighting Reapers if Humanity was wiped out and your the only one that existed? Just because he is the last of his species does not mean he has infinite knowledge of his own species and on how to combat the Reapers. I bet you don't know squat or remember what happened last month.

Considering how little we know of the Protheans even the little bit of knowledge a simple soldier from his species' end would be amazing.

True, it would be interesting but just because he is the last of his species does not mean he will be relevant in the fight agaisnt the Reapers. He could be a paper boy for all we know.

[Lufven1]

TK Dude wrote...

StableZaner wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

WE GET IT! 

I'm not sure they are. I don't want to use the term "biodrone" but please take a step back and look at this from another perspecitve. Not just the "I bought the CE and now I get more stuff than you. Stop complaining and open up your wallets".

[Aargh12]

transcendent12 wrote...
Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

Sure, the leaked script and beta/demo files are not proof/. Sure.

[Underpower]

That's my intuition as well.  Why make it a prothean if it's not integral to the plot?  The fact that prothean even still exists is ITSELF an important narrative point (however it's explained).

This is so much my feelings on the matter, I made it my signature. We shall see if anything changes. There's still some time.

[mulder1199]

ACSSolver wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Interesting. I wonder whether this includes a different writing team, too. While I think it will be fascinating to talk to a Prothean, my one concern is that his appearance should be consistent with the rest of the story - the Protheans have been extinct for 50 thousand years, so this guy's appearance needs some good writing.

yeah, it does, rumor is that dietz wrote this mission...

[GuyIncognito21]

Nodnol88 wrote...
They aren't beyond criticism, but they certainly deserve more respect than has been shown around here since this was all rumored.

I'm not sure what's "rumored," it seems the devs themselves have confirmed quite enough to form an opinion on the subject.

And when companies do disgraceful things, whatever respect they've earned dissipates quickly.  I said it before: it's a lot easier to drive your customers away than it is to win them back.

Is it "fair" that years of a good reputation can be washed away by one unscrupulous decision?  Maybe not, but that's life.

[TheStoner]

transcendent12 wrote...

Everytime someone says "bad business" "incomplete" in this thread. They're just parroting total biscuit.
The current status is:
People who agreed with total biscuit complain- this is fine.
Bioware release counter statement.
People who are tools now don't have a new counter argument and total biscuit hasn't released a follow up. Therefore the only argument which exists now is that bioware is lying.

Nice one guys.

Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

If bioware speaks truth, the DLC is commissioned (i.e. people were paid) to make it on the contingency that there would be some extra payback for making it. If this was not commissioned, it would not have been included in the final game. Assuming the prothean is anything more than just a blind, deaf, dumb reanimated corpse is purely speculative.
Do you know the story of mass effect 3? Do you know how it ends? If not, how do you know the prothean is integral to the ending of this game. Maybe he's been in statis so long he has total amnesia. What you believe to be true and fact simply may be a complete fallacy. Until the importance of the prothean DLC is confirmed by people playing it. Just either get proper proof, or wait until the game has been released then us guinea pigs can tell you whether it is worth anything at all.

There is no excuse to pirate THE ENTIRE game because of this. And doing so would completely void ANY moral highground which I've already explained is based upon a highly possibly fallacy.

There is evidence that A: Bioware have been planning this DLC for months and B:Parts of the DLC were in a pre-certification build (The demo was an old build and contained prothean files.) Thus it is very much likely tat Bioware is lying.

[fatalmaverick]

I think it is defeatist to assume that the consumer means nothing. I think to any great company, the consumer is everything. They realize that it is their only source of revenue, and they realize that they are living breathing, intelligent beings.

In this age of internet feedback, the consumer is not to be ****ed with. Things like this blow up like they never would before, and companies aren't able to get away with much stuff as they used to. What's the solution? Stay 100% legit, and your company will thrive. Stop trying to get us for every dime you can and instead try to keep us as customers for as long as you can.

Modifié par fatalmaverick, 23 février 2012 - 06:29 .

[ArkkAngel007]

MartinDN wrote...

mogonk wrote...

Guys, nobody has answered my question. I'm assuming you folks know something I don't. Would you mind taking a minute to fill me in?

The demo is a pre-final build of the game. Casey Hudson said that they didn't work on the DLC until after the game was finished and sent to MS. How can there be DLC files in the demo?

I just don't understand. Is he lying, or not?

Its more than likeley a lie, its quite obvious they didnt work on it after the game went gold - no way would they have time to voice and code it especially as it was all in the very first draft script - but then no one can actually prove that its otherwise a lie thus its all subjective and fans will swallow it like the blue pill. 

All we know is that in the original draft, the prothean was never meant to be a dlc character and was integral to the main plot and reaper arc. I assume this changed and we are where we are with him now.

They never said that they started working on it after it went Gold.  They started after the core development was finished, and that it was completed well-past certification.

[TK Dude]

Lufven1 wrote...

TK Dude wrote...

StableZaner wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

WE GET IT! 

I'm not sure they are. I don't want to use the term "biodrone" but please take a step back and look at this from another perspecitve. Not just the "I bought the CE and now I get more stuff than you. Stop complaining and open up your wallets".

All I know is I hope TB's and his fans action will eventually change EA/Bioware's mind about this. I don't need another post of this video to get the point.

Modifié par TK Dude, 23 février 2012 - 06:31 .

[rob593]

Kasen13 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...
You can take it out of context and twist it all you like, but the fact remains that I made it quite clear I was speaking from a developmental standpoint. From their perspective (and mine), adding this character does make it better, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

I never said it wasn't speculative... I'm sure they thought DA2 would be loved by all. Speculation is often wrong, I myself am often wrong. It's entirely possible that I'm wrong about this character being good.

I still do not understand how you think I am misreading context or twisting anything, and you should probably clarify that.
I do not doubt what they added benefits the game (makes it better) I do have my doubts however wether the time and effort could have been used more effectively elsewhere (especially so close to launch), as a developer you should understand this.

I specifically stated that I am NOT a developer.

You said " quite clear I was speaking from a developmental standpoint, From their perspective (and mine)" implying they are one and the same, but if I misunderstood this I apologise

Perhaps you shouldn't speak from a developmental standpoint however, if you are not a developer :S

[AlanC9]

mogonk wrote...

Guys, nobody has answered my question. I'm assuming you folks know something I don't. Would you mind taking a minute to fill me in?

The demo is a pre-final build of the game. Casey Hudson said that they didn't work on the DLC until after the game was finished and sent to MS. How can there be DLC files in the demo?

I just don't understand. Is he lying, or not?

Not lying. Misleading, maybe.

They do the sound files long before they know for sure what's going to be the game, what's going to be DLC, and what's going to be cut altogether. So when they were working on the prothean, he wasn't DLC. After they decided he was DLC, they put the people working on him on the game proper instead, since that had an earlier deadline.

What else should they do?

[Tiger]

mulder1199 wrote...

ACSSolver wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Interesting. I wonder whether this includes a different writing team, too. While I think it will be fascinating to talk to a Prothean, my one concern is that his appearance should be consistent with the rest of the story - the Protheans have been extinct for 50 thousand years, so this guy's appearance needs some good writing.

yeah, it does, rumor is that dietz wrote this mission...

LOL, than nobody should buy it and we can all get along now, right?

[Descedent]

TK Dude wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

TK Dude wrote...

StableZaner wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

WE GET IT! 

I'm not sure they are. I don't want to use the term "biodrone" but please take a step back and look at this from another perspecitve. Not just the "I bought the CE and now I get more stuff than you. Stop complaining and open up your wallets".

All I know is I hope TB's and his fans action will eventually EA/Bioware's mind about this. I don't need another post of this video to get the point.

then quit quoting, its just reposting

oops

Modifié par Descedent, 23 février 2012 - 06:31 .

[MostlyAutumn]

Aargh12 wrote...

transcendent12 wrote...
Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

Sure, the leaked script and beta/demo files are not proof/. Sure.

And of course Kasumi and LotSB don't count as counter-arguments. Because everything is already obvious to you.

[Yuoaman]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

MartinDN wrote...

mogonk wrote...

Guys, nobody has answered my question. I'm assuming you folks know something I don't. Would you mind taking a minute to fill me in?

The demo is a pre-final build of the game. Casey Hudson said that they didn't work on the DLC until after the game was finished and sent to MS. How can there be DLC files in the demo?

I just don't understand. Is he lying, or not?

Its more than likeley a lie, its quite obvious they didnt work on it after the game went gold - no way would they have time to voice and code it especially as it was all in the very first draft script - but then no one can actually prove that its otherwise a lie thus its all subjective and fans will swallow it like the blue pill. 

All we know is that in the original draft, the prothean was never meant to be a dlc character and was integral to the main plot and reaper arc. I assume this changed and we are where we are with him now.

They never said that they started working on it after it went Gold.  They started after the core development was finished, and that it was completed well-past certification.

Certification was only reached about two weeks ago, so I don't see what you mean by "well-past".

[Kasen]

rob593 wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...
You can take it out of context and twist it all you like, but the fact remains that I made it quite clear I was speaking from a developmental standpoint. From their perspective (and mine), adding this character does make it better, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

I never said it wasn't speculative... I'm sure they thought DA2 would be loved by all. Speculation is often wrong, I myself am often wrong. It's entirely possible that I'm wrong about this character being good.

I still do not understand how you think I am misreading context or twisting anything, and you should probably clarify that.
I do not doubt what they added benefits the game (makes it better) I do have my doubts however wether the time and effort could have been used more effectively elsewhere (especially so close to launch), as a developer you should understand this.

I specifically stated that I am NOT a developer.

You said " quite clear I was speaking from a developmental standpoint, From their perspective (and mine)" implying they are one and the same, but if I misunderstood this I apologise

Perhaps you shouldn't speak from a developmental standpoint however, if you are not a developer :S

See my editted comment. It acknowledges that the addition of "and mine" was lacking in clarity.

I do not however concede that I cannot speak from my understanding of what goes into the developmental process.

Modifié par Kasen13, 23 février 2012 - 06:32 .

[LinksOcarina]

To my friends who do graphic design and things,

Does having voice files and the remnants of locked out content from a video game mean the content was cut from the game, or can it also mean that they are planning to add content that pertains to certain things in a DLC pack?

Simple question really, does it make sense to have markers and prepared animations and dialogue in a final product with the intention of implementation of additional content from a later date?

[Yuoaman]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Rycr wrote...
 if it weren't for that accidental leak, we wouldn't even know about it yet!

We're assuming it was accidental.  They seem to have a lot of trouble keeping their code under wraps, don't they?

And if the prothean DLC is actually worthless, then I'd suggest Bioware could do a lot to diffuse this situation by saying that.  Tell me its superfluous fluff on the measure of a hoodie for Shepard or a robot pet and we'll be good.

It won't be, Javik has a lot of interesting information on the backstory of the Mass Effect universe, for someone who cares about the plot of the series this is incredibly important.

There's a difference between important to the actual game then important to a fan's curiosity.  Never saw how the Sith and Jedi began in Star Wars, but that didn't cripple or affect the films in any way.

What would you do if next year they included that information on a future release, though? Wouldn't you feel cheated that it wasn't in the one that you purchased, the supposedly complete film?

[Xellana]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

Ha! Biodrone.

Biodrone > Angry member over DLC.

Someone whose proud to eat whatever they give him because it has their name on it.

Bravo sir for having no convictions whatsoever.

Says you.

I'm going to be the proud owner of a Collector's Edition Xbox 360 version of Mass Effect 3 come March 6th. I have my convictions. And just because they're not in line with yours, that makes me less of a human being? I'd like to know where your authority over me comes from.

While I'll be saving the galaxy and having a fun time doing so, where will YOU be? Holding true to your convictions? Waiting until you get what you want?

Why don't you travel up to Edmonton or down to Austin, pitch a tent, and 'occupy' their parking lot while you're at it?

tl;dr: I'm better than you. Deal with it.

You clearly chose the renegade path in life

[Nial Black-Knee]

I'll buy it, I don't like it one bit. But I'll buy it because of the emotional attachment I have to the ME franchise. But thats it BW, you have surely fallen far from the heights you had achieved in the past as a fan centered development team. I remember well the talk when you announced DA those many years ago. What kind of company you promised to be. When DA2 was in development I wondered aloud in these very forums if you had lost your way. Become too money centric and greedy. The fall starts slow, but it comes quickly as the bean counters take control. You will get my money this time. But there will be no more assumptions, the taint darkens, the fall continues.