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[weremutt]

wrdnshprd wrote...

jgordon11 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

mogonk wrote...

Dr Griner wrote...

What a bunch of greedy ****s. I cant believe how you can ****** all over your fans and then think a BS post makes it all good.

You have extra content available for the game for an EXTRA cost and the games not even released yet.

You make me sick...

This is what's wrong with the game industry.  Why release a great, full featured game when you can just release a skeleton of a game and charge customers $10 a pop for DLC to gradually put flesh on the bones.

This is content produced prior to the release of the game, sold at release....that isn't available to people who paid full retail price for the game.  It's absolutely outrageous.

I'm actually less disappointed with Bioware than I am with the idiots who make it possible for companies to behave this way.

One squad mate and one mission makes the MASSIVE two-disc game crammed with content a skeleton of a game? You can't possibly logically defend that position.

myself and others have said it a billion times, but somehow it gets overlooked.

whats the difference between this DLC and that of shale and zaeed, where the DLC was FREE for those that bought the game new  - REGARDLESS OF VERSION. 

oh right, NOTHING.

so justify to us how this dlc should be any different?

'this was advertised 9 months ago..'

link me an article from back then where bioware CONFIRMED the dlc character was a prothean..

still waiting..

thats why people are upset.. all bioware has to do is make this new game DLC (i.e. free if you buy the game new REGARDLESS OF VERSION), and this whole mess goes away.

Yeah you're right they should just make it free.  Its not like they paid voice actors and a seperate team to develop this DLC.  This DLC cost them money and yes it was in hopes of selling it for a profit because that is what buisnesses do.  It was completed after the game so wasn't just cut content, but rather a side project from the game to add onto the existing complete single player.

You know what Bioware should've done?  Not make the DLC at all and not dedicate the resources to putting a project together aimed at dedicated fans.  That way they wouldn't have had to keep putting resources to the project after the original game was completed and mostly deal with people who justify their unwillingness to spend $10 on a product wih morality simply because they feel they are entitled to something that they shouldn't be.

shale and zaeed were day 1 DLC that was free REGARDLESS OF VERSION, as long as you bought the game new.  how is this day 1 DLC any different?

if this dlc was released like lair of the shadowbroker (important to ME2 lore IMO), nobody would be complaining.  that DLC was released well after ME2 was in circulation.  its like  a bite size expansion pack.. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS.  its a $10 expansion pack. 

however, when you release something like that ON RELEASE DAY.  i dont care if it was developed by a separate team, its still content cut out from the main game.  there is no reason why they couldnt have released the content in the same manner as the zaeed and shale day 1 DLC..

however, bioware/EA decided to go the greedy route and only reward those that bought the CE.  and they can get away with it because people such as yourself will let them..

It was said from day one that the CE was going to get an additonal mission/character/weapons/armor over the SE and no one complained. The company is giving the people who only have the option of the SE to get the CE extra content. You are paying for it just like the people who have purchased the CE. This was originally day one DLC for the CE only. Get over your entitlement. If you wanted to complain about this it should have been months ago not less than two weeks before the game is released.

[fropas]

MostlyAutumn wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

transcendent12 wrote...
Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

Sure, the leaked script and beta/demo files are not proof/. Sure.

And of course Kasumi and LotSB don't count as counter-arguments. Because everything is already obvious to you.

Wait, was ME2 not a "complete" game because it lacked kasumi and LotSB? Because it didn't feel incomplete when I blew up the collector base.

[Candidate 88766]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Somewhere, North America, 11:48AM
Bioware Motors, Canada

Dealer:  Good afternoon, sir!  Welcome to Bioware Motors.  

Patron1:  Yeah, thanks.  Whatchagot?

Dealer:  Our latest model, sir - the ME3 Turbo SE.  Just delivered from the factory a week ago.

Patron1:  Oh, yeah?  What's it got?  Looks sporty.

Dealer:     For only 60, you get all the standard equipment, plus AC,  a 3-CD player, faux leather interior,  computer-controlled braking system, an onboard GPS and a computer-assisted gasoline monitor that helps you save money.  It can use all three gasoline types with equal efficiency.  It comes with bucket seats,  and can be equipped as a standard or automatic, and is backed by our warranty assuring future upgrades, for a small fee.

Patron1:  That's pretty sweet.  Not bad.  I do believe I'll take it.

Dealer:  Thank you, sir, I...

Patron2:  Hey there, Patron1!  I see you're just about to buy the ME3 Turbo SE.

Patron1:  Yup.  It's pretty nice.  Sporty.  I bought the 2007 model and the 2009 one.  I like this series.

Patron2:  I agree,  I did too,  that's why I went for the Me3 HyperLX this time.  It's got everything yours has, except it has real leather heated seats, 12 CD -Changer in the upholstered trunk, full surround sound and full ABS.  It can also use diesel and cooking grease to power it, with the option to upgrade to full hydrocell in the future!  It also has a skid control built in and full power steering.  It also comes in Hyperblack, which only the LX has.  A bit steep, over 90 to get it, but I think it was worth it.  Had it all installed today, too.  Sweet, huh?

Patron1:  WTF!?  Hey, dealer, you piece of crap - how come he gets extras? Huh? You lying scum - what the hell are you trying to pull?!?

Dealer:  I don't understand the problem, sir?

Patron1:  Look, technically they're the same car, aren't they?  Same chassis, same engine, same wheels?

Dealer:  With minor differences, technically, yes.

Patron1:  That's what I thought!  But he gets all the extras?

Dealer:  Well, it is the luxury edition, sir.  However, for 10 more we can include...

Patron1:  Oh, no, you don't, you damned con artist!  If these two cars were technically identical when they were designed, then I want all those extras for free!  I bought the last two cars in this series!  I'm entitled!

Dealer:  Uh... sorry...?

Patron2:  How do you figure that you're entitled to a luxury edition when you were ready to buy the standard?  That makes no sense.  It never included the extras because it's the standard edition.

Patron1: Look, ******!  They're the same car!  At some point, a designer made the decision that all those extras could be installed onto the same body and the only real difference is the name!  I deserve those extras because I bought the same car! The same, the same, the same! Just because they're pandering to you rich basturds doesn't mean I shouldn't have it too! FFS!  And you should kiss my a ss and offer me something just for me for the privilege of me buying one of your cars in the first place!  And kiss my a ss!

Dealer:  Uh... you bought the standard edition.  We can install those extras are only 10 more...

Patron1:  I don't care if they're five or one or a hundred more!  I deserve them free because I bought the same car he did technically! Free because I bought two cars here before!  That proves I deserve it!  I say I do so I do!  

Patron2:  I don't think so.  Listen to yourself.

Patron1:  Aha! You just screwing me then? Rip off!  Gyp!  Thievery!  Injustice!  Unfettered greedy capitalism! It so figures!  That all you do to the beaten down guy who can barely afford a big screen tv and two consoles and a computer!  And you said it was afternoon, when technically it's not noon yet!  Conspiracy!  Lies everywhere!  I'm cancelling my car payment and going to the Bethesda Auto because even if their cars tend to stall they're nicer than you... and another thing... boobs in Witcher motors - superior!.....

Dealer:  Wow.  

Patron2:  Lack of thorazine in his diet, from the looks of it...

This deserves to be quoted again.

[Daywalker315]

Arsenal0602 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...
do you think they would charge for a major plot point? no.

Why do you say "no?"  Because it would be unscrupulous for them to do it?

Because there is no logic to it.  gaming isn't to that point yet.

And because if there was a true major change in the way the story plays out or the ending, once people found out about it after launch, people would have LEGITIMATE reasons to be pissed off. It would alienate their fan base and cause a large drop in future sales. Hence, he won't be a major part of the main plot.

[mulder1199]

DarthShadow13 wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

ACSSolver wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Interesting. I wonder whether this includes a different writing team, too. While I think it will be fascinating to talk to a Prothean, my one concern is that his appearance should be consistent with the rest of the story - the Protheans have been extinct for 50 thousand years, so this guy's appearance needs some good writing.

yeah, it does, rumor is that dietz wrote this mission...

LOL, than nobody should buy it and we can all get along now, right?

nyucknyuck...

[rob593]

Kasen13 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...
You can take it out of context and twist it all you like, but the fact remains that I made it quite clear I was speaking from a developmental standpoint. From their perspective (and mine), adding this character does make it better, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

I never said it wasn't speculative... I'm sure they thought DA2 would be loved by all. Speculation is often wrong, I myself am often wrong. It's entirely possible that I'm wrong about this character being good.

I still do not understand how you think I am misreading context or twisting anything, and you should probably clarify that.
I do not doubt what they added benefits the game (makes it better) I do have my doubts however wether the time and effort could have been used more effectively elsewhere (especially so close to launch), as a developer you should understand this.

I specifically stated that I am NOT a developer.

You said " quite clear I was speaking from a developmental standpoint, From their perspective (and mine)" implying they are one and the same, but if I misunderstood this I apologise

Perhaps you shouldn't speak from a developmental standpoint however, if you are not a developer :S

See my editted comment. It acknowledges that the addition of "and mine" was lacking in clarity.

I do not however concede that I cannot speak from my understanding of what goes into the developmental process.

Very well, I understand now, sorry for the misunderstanding. I believe my previous point is still valid, so won't elaborate further.

[AlanC9]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
That's my intuition as well.  Why make it a prothean if it's not integral to the plot?  The fact that prothean even still exists is ITSELF an important narrative point (however it's explained).

Why is it important? You keep saying this but I never hear an actual reason.

Let's say one of the stasis pods on Ilos had still been functioning in ME1, and a real live prothean popped out. Sure, he could have told us a bunch of stuff about prothean culture that Vigil didn't. Maybe he could even have been a squadmate for the final mission. This would change.... what?

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 février 2012 - 06:36 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Yuoaman wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

MartinDN wrote...

mogonk wrote...

Guys, nobody has answered my question. I'm assuming you folks know something I don't. Would you mind taking a minute to fill me in?

The demo is a pre-final build of the game. Casey Hudson said that they didn't work on the DLC until after the game was finished and sent to MS. How can there be DLC files in the demo?

I just don't understand. Is he lying, or not?

Its more than likeley a lie, its quite obvious they didnt work on it after the game went gold - no way would they have time to voice and code it especially as it was all in the very first draft script - but then no one can actually prove that its otherwise a lie thus its all subjective and fans will swallow it like the blue pill. 

All we know is that in the original draft, the prothean was never meant to be a dlc character and was integral to the main plot and reaper arc. I assume this changed and we are where we are with him now.

They never said that they started working on it after it went Gold.  They started after the core development was finished, and that it was completed well-past certification.

Certification was only reached about two weeks ago, so I don't see what you mean by "well-past".

Gamble stated it wasn't completed until well-after the main game went into certification.  Of course, that term well-after is relative, but judging by when Microsoft put it up, I suspect it was completed right before the game went gold and entered certification a bit after.

[rainasa]

Yuoaman wrote...

Certification was only reached about two weeks ago, so I don't see what you mean by "well-past".

this is true, but the process of getting a game certified takes much longer, and they cannot alter the game in anyway while they wait, and its during this period where From Ashes was made

Modifié par rainasa, 23 février 2012 - 06:37 .

[Yuoaman]

rainasa wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Certification was only reached about two weeks ago, so I don't see what you mean by "well-past".

this is true, but the process of getting a game certified takes much longer, and they cannot alter it in anyway while they wait, and its during this period where From Ashes was made

'From Ashes' has had most of its assets completed since before the demo was forked from the main release, so yeah. :\\

[_symphony]

Naughty Bear wrote...

_symphony wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

So I notice the announcement said that the DLC was for a prothean squadmate

Would this by chance be implying that the Prothean will be in the game without the DLC, but simply not as a joinable character?

That's a good question, if he is in the game, then my anger is baseless.

To reiterate, I don't care about the DLC or the CE, my problem is that they aparently added a prothean alive, and because is a DLC, he's irrelevant to the main plot.

Think about it, a prothean irrelevant in the fight against the reapers, is just .... what.

Not all Protheans are warriors. I'm sure civilians existed.

How would you be relevant to fighting Reapers if Humanity was wiped out and your the only one that existed? Just because he is the last of his species does not mean he has infinite knowledge of his own species and on how to combat the Reapers. I bet you don't know squat or remember what happened last month.

You're just rationalizing BioWare's decision to make Prothy not important to the main plot, sure, he could know nothing, he could have amnesia and not even know he's a prothean and the only one left.

But seriously, this is a wasted oportunity, BioWare brings a member of the race that tried to fight the reapers, and it means nothing. They bring the only prothean alive and the only thing he does is follow Shepard's lead and shoot things? Just for sell some DLC packs?

[AkiKishi]

Whoa this moves fast.

What Bioware are selling is a working product. The term "compelte" is missleading in this situation . I've just been reading up on consumer regulations but I need to do some more digging with regards to software.

Why is this different from Shale/Zaaed ? Because in those two cases the package you buy completes the game. You could say part of the game is held in the numerical codes.
Once the game ceases to be new, it no longer applies. In other words buy second hand and it's the seller who is selling you the incomplete product NOT Bioware.

Hope that clears things up a bit.

[ArkkAngel007]

fropas wrote...

MostlyAutumn wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

transcendent12 wrote...
Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

Sure, the leaked script and beta/demo files are not proof/. Sure.

And of course Kasumi and LotSB don't count as counter-arguments. Because everything is already obvious to you.

Wait, was ME2 not a "complete" game because it lacked kasumi and LotSB? Because it didn't feel incomplete when I blew up the collector base.

It was complete without Zaeed and the Normandy mission too (yes, they were free to new copy owners, don't get your panties in a twist).

[Wulfram]

weremutt wrote...

It was said from day one that the CE was going to get an additonal mission/character/weapons/armor over the SE and no one complained.

I did.  But it's hard to kick up a fuss when there's nothing confirmed about it - there was still the outside possibility that this character would end up being free to new copies, for one thing.  And I'm not a troll, so I just made my point in relevant threads, and mentioned that this would cause me to skip buying the game on release, rather than spamming everywhere.

But I don't have popular Youtube channel like Mr TotalBiscuit, so no one cared.

[rainasa]

Yuoaman wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Certification was only reached about two weeks ago, so I don't see what you mean by "well-past".

this is true, but the process of getting a game certified takes much longer, and they cannot alter it in anyway while they wait, and its during this period where From Ashes was made

'From Ashes' has had most of its assets completed since before the demo was forked from the main release, so yeah. :

uh, wrong. the script of it was done and the VO of the squadmate was at least partially completed. the actual making of the DLC didnt happen untill then.

Modifié par rainasa, 23 février 2012 - 06:39 .

[Xellana]

fropas wrote...

MostlyAutumn wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

transcendent12 wrote...
Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

Sure, the leaked script and beta/demo files are not proof/. Sure.

And of course Kasumi and LotSB don't count as counter-arguments. Because everything is already obvious to you.

Wait, was ME2 not a "complete" game because it lacked kasumi and LotSB? Because it didn't feel incomplete when I blew up the collector base.

Oh yes it did. When you met Liara on Illium and you completed the two sidequests for her, didn´t you feel like there should be an additional quest explaining what happened between her and the shadow broker?
I really thought this feels incomplete.

[LinksOcarina]

Yuoaman wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Certification was only reached about two weeks ago, so I don't see what you mean by "well-past".

this is true, but the process of getting a game certified takes much longer, and they cannot alter it in anyway while they wait, and its during this period where From Ashes was made

'From Ashes' has had most of its assets completed since before the demo was forked from the main release, so yeah. :

Once again, I ask this.

Does having voice files and the assets of content from a video game mean the content was cut from the game, or can it also mean that they are planning to add content that pertains to certain things in a DLC pack? It could just be the markers for the coders working on From Ashes to make things transition smoothly. As for voices and animations, that could have been finished because the main game needs to allow the character to be fully implemented.

[mjharper]

LinksOcarina wrote...

To my friends who do graphic design and things,

Does having voice files and the remnants of locked out content from a video game mean the content was cut from the game, or can it also mean that they are planning to add content that pertains to certain things in a DLC pack?

Simple question really, does it make sense to have markers and prepared animations and dialogue in a final product with the intention of implementation of additional content from a later date?

I'm not a graphic designer, but I'd say yes. For example, you can't animate speech unless you've got the speech to begin with. But it would be good to hear from professionals.

[Yuoaman]

rainasa wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Certification was only reached about two weeks ago, so I don't see what you mean by "well-past".

this is true, but the process of getting a game certified takes much longer, and they cannot alter it in anyway while they wait, and its during this period where From Ashes was made

'From Ashes' has had most of its assets completed since before the demo was forked from the main release, so yeah. :

uh, wrong. the script of it was done and the VO of the squadmate was at least partially completed. the actual making of the DLC didnt happen untill then.

...no. I'm sorry, but that's all kinds of wrong.

[AkiKishi]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Whoa this moves fast.

What Bioware are selling is a working product. The term "complete" is missleading in this situation . I've just been reading up on consumer regulations but I need to do some more digging with regards to software.

Why is this different from Shale/Zaaed ? Because in those two cases the package you buy completes the game. You could say part of the game is held in the numerical codes.
Once the game ceases to be new, it no longer applies. In other words buy second hand and it's the seller who is selling you the incomplete product NOT Bioware.

Hope that clears things up a bit.

[PhoenixBlue]

Aargh12 wrote...

transcendent12 wrote...
Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

Sure, the leaked script and beta/demo files are not proof/. Sure.

Remember when folks found hooks (narrative, voice files, etc.) pertaining to the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC in ME2? Was anyone complaining then about Bioware and EA trying to shaft people when they finally released Lair of the Shadow Broker about a year after ME2's release?

[Yuoaman]

The PLC wrote...

Hello everyone. I'm going to buy this. Cheers.

I already own it, since I've already paid for my CE in full, but I'm not going to stop fighting this thing.

[fropas]

_symphony wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

_symphony wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

So I notice the announcement said that the DLC was for a prothean squadmate

Would this by chance be implying that the Prothean will be in the game without the DLC, but simply not as a joinable character?

That's a good question, if he is in the game, then my anger is baseless.

To reiterate, I don't care about the DLC or the CE, my problem is that they aparently added a prothean alive, and because is a DLC, he's irrelevant to the main plot.

Think about it, a prothean irrelevant in the fight against the reapers, is just .... what.

Not all Protheans are warriors. I'm sure civilians existed.

How would you be relevant to fighting Reapers if Humanity was wiped out and your the only one that existed? Just because he is the last of his species does not mean he has infinite knowledge of his own species and on how to combat the Reapers. I bet you don't know squat or remember what happened last month.

You're just rationalizing BioWare's decision to make Prothy not important to the main plot, sure, he could know nothing, he could have amnesia and not even know he's a prothean and the only one left.

But seriously, this is a wasted oportunity, BioWare brings a member of the race that tried to fight the reapers, and it means nothing. They bring the only prothean alive and the only thing he does is follow Shepard's lead and shoot things? Just for sell some DLC packs?

Yes, how dare BW waste an oportunity to give you "free" content, only some of their consumers paid for, RAWR! 

[Yuoaman]

PhoenixBlue wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

transcendent12 wrote...
Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

Sure, the leaked script and beta/demo files are not proof/. Sure.

Remember when folks found hooks (narrative, voice files, etc.) pertaining to the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC in ME2? Was anyone complaining then about Bioware and EA trying to shaft people when they finally released Lair of the Shadow Broker about a year after ME2's release?

The difference is that "Lair of the Shadow Broker" wasn't completed before the game released.