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[Knightsaber2010]

fropas wrote...

Knightsaber2010 wrote...

Just would like to know if the DLC comes with the Digital Deluxe edition as well. Searching didn't bring up anything useful, or I failed at searching somehow.

Yes it does.

Thank you.

[Daywalker315]

fropas wrote...

MostlyAutumn wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

transcendent12 wrote...
Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

Sure, the leaked script and beta/demo files are not proof/. Sure.

And of course Kasumi and LotSB don't count as counter-arguments. Because everything is already obvious to you.

Wait, was ME2 not a "complete" game because it lacked kasumi and LotSB? Because it didn't feel incomplete when I blew up the collector base.

To Aargh12: I've said this about 100 times but people don't seem to grasp it. Words on a page and a few lines of recorded audio does NOT prove that the entire character and Eden Prime mission were content complete, polished, and ready to be played before the game went off for certification and manufacturing. You can't go from A to Z like that and just assume that a few dialogue lines and words on a script means it's playable. Use common sense, people. It's not so hard.

[Goth Skunk]

I would REALLY like to get Extra Creditz to weigh in on this.

I bet a lot of the haters in this thread would get the surprise of their lives.

[ArkkAngel007]

MostlyAutumn wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

The difference is that "Lair of the Shadow Broker" wasn't completed before the game released.

That difference is not enough to prove that Prothean DLC was ready when the game went to the certification.

It wasn't ready, but whatever.  It was a bad comparison.

[mulder1199]

[quote]Merengues 1945 wrote...

[quote]Exia001 wrote...

now we're getting on to how ME2 felt incomplete without its downloadable content...

Funny how no one mentioned that until today[/quote]

hmm....i never really thought of it as incomplete....really felt like shadow broker and arrival added and was a nice bridge to me3, but i was pretty happy with it overall....even overlord was entertaining and relevant, especially if ole dave comes into play somehow in me3...

Modifié par mulder1199, 23 février 2012 - 06:49 .

[Tiger]

I bet half the people complaining about the DLC are going to buy it anyway. You're not going to change anything if you complain and end up buying it.

[Xellana]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
That's my intuition as well.  Why make it a prothean if it's not integral to the plot?  The fact that prothean even still exists is ITSELF an important narrative point (however it's explained).

Why is it important? You keep saying this but I never hear an actual reason.

Let's say one of the stasis pods on Ilos had still been functioning in ME1, and a real live prothean popped out. Sure, he could have told us a bunch of stuff about prothean culture that Vigil didn't. Maybe he could even have been a squadmate for the final mission. This would change.... what?

Again, that logic doesn't work.  Cutting the middle five chapters out of a book doesn't change the ending.  That doesn't mean they're not integral.  Nothing has to "change" at all.

The reason it's important is self-evident.  From the first mission in the first game, Shepard has had some strange connection to the protheans, and the game has repeatedly suggested that the protheans hold the answers to many of the biggest questions in the universe.

I shouldn't have to explain that.  The fact that it's important is the entire reason people are upset about this, and it's the exact reason that BW/EA have decided they can rake in the money by withholding it.

this, exactly.
ME1 could in theory have been completed without the conversations with Vigil or Sovereign. That doesn´t mean they weren´t integral to the story. They were arguably the most epic things happening in ME1. There´s much more to a good story than beginning and conclusion.

[Exia001]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

now we're getting on to how ME2 felt incomplete without its downloadable content...

Funny how no one mentioned that until today

It's not the same because there was no way to complete those files at lauch. The issue here is that Bioware is selling two versions of the game. The complete version with the CE and the incomplete version with SE.

In the case of ME2 if you bought the game new you had what you needed to make the game complete. In the case of ME3 you are being charged for it.

Zaeed made the game complete, really?

[GuyIncognito21]

And lol @ the company line "we hope people don't boycott the game, as they'd be missing out on a great experience."

What altruism! Cheers to that, though I can't help but wish this altruism had been in the room when they decided to try and gank everyone for an extra $10.

[fropas]

Knightsaber2010 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Knightsaber2010 wrote...

Just would like to know if the DLC comes with the Digital Deluxe edition as well. Searching didn't bring up anything useful, or I failed at searching somehow.

Yes it does.

Thank you.

Sorry that was a little vague

http://pc.gamespy.co.../1219254p1.html

"Digital Deluxe Edition buyers will snag Shepard's supposedly extinct BFF as a "free" (read: $20) perk of ultra-fandom, but everyone else will have to fork over a few extra credits."

Modifié par fropas, 23 février 2012 - 06:52 .

[Yuoaman]

Daywalker315 wrote...

fropas wrote...

MostlyAutumn wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

transcendent12 wrote...
Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

Sure, the leaked script and beta/demo files are not proof/. Sure.

And of course Kasumi and LotSB don't count as counter-arguments. Because everything is already obvious to you.

Wait, was ME2 not a "complete" game because it lacked kasumi and LotSB? Because it didn't feel incomplete when I blew up the collector base.

To Aargh12: I've said this about 100 times but people don't seem to grasp it. Words on a page and a few lines of recorded audio does NOT prove that the entire character and Eden Prime mission were content complete, polished, and ready to be played before the game went off for certification and manufacturing. You can't go from A to Z like that and just assume that a few dialogue lines and words on a script means it's playable. Use common sense, people. It's not so hard.

I have not said once that it was complete before certification, just the fact that the assets exist means that the lion's share of work was done before that.

[Errationatus]

Descedent wrote...

THERES A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLAYABLE CONTENT AND VISUAL CONTENT FFS, your story is totally inaccurate

WHAT!?  I CAN'T HEAR YOU!  SOME IDIOT IS YELLING!  

My story is inaccurate?  It certainly illustrates the general hysterical millieu of this thread quite adequately, I thought.  It wasn't meant to reflect precision, simply satirize the nonsense being flung about - as that was all it was intended to do.

Here's the rub:

You have two entitlements when it comes to this game or anything else:  you can buy it or not buy it.  THAT'S IT. Aside from hitting certain company standards, and coming at least close to their lip service, a company owes you - unless you're initimately involved therein or a stockholder - abso-fvck'n-lutely NOTHING.  Just that their product doesn'y kill you or your family.

Bioware DOES NOT "owe" you this DLC.  By all estimations, the lack of it will change very little regarding endgame outcomes.  All the doom and gloom is the assumptions of over-privileged assclowns with overblown self-images of personal importance (kinda like Trek and 'Wars fans) who want something for nothing.  

Tough ******.  

Bioware is not Bethesda, nor the Witcher company.  Deal with them if you want to play their games.  They do not make Mass Effect and the endless comparisons are MEANINGLESS.  The business models are different and that's just the way it is.

You do not deserve DLC - you are offered DLC.  This is a very important distinction.

The decision lies with you to purchase the content or not.  That's it.  Just as you are offered ME3.  Buying the first two did not magically enable you to deserve any future content in the series, and certainly none of it for free.  

You do not deserve ME3.  

CE owners do not deserve the MP addition or the pre-ordered stuff or the N7 patch or the art book.  

Bioware offered you these things.

Your only true participation is whether or not you spend the money.  Cancelling your pre-order has the same effect as the millions who were never going to buy ME3 in the first place or indeed bought any of the ME's ever.  It accomplishes nothing but your own misplaced-smug satisfaction that you might have "stuck it" to De Man.  

Ooooo, you activist and Soldier of the People you.  I have a better strategy for you pillars of justice - go buy more copies.  That way you save all innocents from this dreck and vile consumption of mediocrity.  Then, in a clear, loud voice, you can stand on that mountaintop of broken ME games and lustily proclaim that you have saved the gaming industry from itself, and those sad lowly fools from marching into the 1st DLC abyss.

Women will swoon.  Men with grind their teeth with vicious envy.  Children will abandon their parents for your council, and by all the Gaming Gods - whose pantheon you have so illustriously endowed with your presence - you shall impart that wisdom!  

You will unsling the pelt of Bioware and throw it to their feet, and say unto them: "This I slew!"

What a day that will truly be.

EDIT to ADD:  Sorry, Trek and Star Wars fans.  Just grumpy.  This bleed'n thread is tiring, man.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 23 février 2012 - 07:07 .

[WizenSlinky0]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
That's my intuition as well.  Why make it a prothean if it's not integral to the plot?  The fact that prothean even still exists is ITSELF an important narrative point (however it's explained).

Why is it important? You keep saying this but I never hear an actual reason.

Let's say one of the stasis pods on Ilos had still been functioning in ME1, and a real live prothean popped out. Sure, he could have told us a bunch of stuff about prothean culture that Vigil didn't. Maybe he could even have been a squadmate for the final mission. This would change.... what?

Again, that logic doesn't work.  Cutting the middle five chapters out of a book doesn't change the ending.  That doesn't mean they're not integral.  Nothing has to "change" at all.

The reason it's important is self-evident.  From the first mission in the first game, Shepard has had some strange connection to the protheans, and the game has repeatedly suggested that the protheans hold the answers to many of the biggest questions in the universe.

I shouldn't have to explain that.  The fact that it's important is the entire reason people are upset about this, and it's the exact reason that BW/EA have decided they can rake in the money by withholding it.

Um, if the middle five chapters of your book are able to be cut out without changing anything your editor would rip that book to shreds before it even made it to print. Those chapters would be removed. Something would have to change in that anology. The ending would no longer make sense. Or shouldn't make sense anymore.

Everything still makes plenty of sense without a prothean.

The game doesn't suggest the protheans hold any answers. The people suggest it. But the game has already told us otherwise. It has told us the protheans are inconsequential. It's called context.

The galaxy believes the protheans to be the end all and be all of galactic civilization before the current cycle. We've already been shown by the game that this view is totally wrong.

The protheans are not important. They're most significant contributions were entirely finished and neatly tied into a bow the moment you finished the conversation with Vigil. That was all you needed to know about the protheans for their involvement in the story.

Absolutely everything else about them is irrelevent and inconsequential. Sure, as a mass effect fan I'd love to hear all the fun details and lore about their face. But to say it's important to the series is kinda like saying the codex is required reading to enjoy the game. He's a walking codex entry. Nothing more, nothing less.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 23 février 2012 - 06:54 .

[Mariyanna]

I'm amazed by the sense of entitlement here.

Sure, the Prothean squadmate will probably have some relevance to the story. Just like Sebastian had relevance to the story in Dragon Age 2, Shale did in Dragon Age: Origins and even Kasumi, to a lesser extent, had in Mass Effect 2.

But that doesn't mean BioWare *has* to give him to us for free or we're entitled to him. BioWare is a developer and EA is a company. They need to make money to keep making games.

Besides, we've already *known* the Prothean would be DLC for months. Remember the leak when the N7 Collector's Edition was announced? The initial information then said - Prothean. Why the big shock now?

I do agree that the other "new" secret squaddie should probably have been the DLC one because that party member wouldn't be as crucial to the game's story and lore. But I'm not going to go crying and boycotting because I have the option to spend $10 and get a Prothean squad member, extra mission, extra character outfits and extra weapon.

[PhoenixBlue]

Yuoaman wrote...

PhoenixBlue wrote...

Remember when folks found hooks (narrative, voice files, etc.) pertaining to the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC in ME2? Was anyone complaining then about Bioware and EA trying to shaft people when they finally released Lair of the Shadow Broker about a year after ME2's release?

The difference is that "Lair of the Shadow Broker" wasn't completed before the game released.

But the same types of files were found in ME2 fairly soon after its release. So what's the difference here?

Also, having heard the files ... they sound like placeholders. They used placeholder voice files in the leaked ME3 beta, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case here as well.

[Omega Torsk]

Mariyanna wrote...

I'm amazed by the sense of entitlement here.

[kidbd15]

Was having multiplayer in the main game worth sacrificing this content from the main game? Or would you have preferred the other way around?

If BioWare didn't have time to do this in the main game, then perhaps they could have had time if they hadn't been working on MP in the main game.

[AlanC9]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
That's my intuition as well.  Why make it a prothean if it's not integral to the plot?  The fact that prothean even still exists is ITSELF an important narrative point (however it's explained).

Why is it important? You keep saying this but I never hear an actual reason.

Let's say one of the stasis pods on Ilos had still been functioning in ME1, and a real live prothean popped out. Sure, he could have told us a bunch of stuff about prothean culture that Vigil didn't. Maybe he could even have been a squadmate for the final mission. This would change.... what?

Again, that logic doesn't work.  Cutting the middle five chapters out of a book doesn't change the ending.  That doesn't mean they're not integral.  Nothing has to "change" at all.

Middle chapters get cut out of books all the time. Fans of Stephen Donaldson's Thomas Covenant books may remember Gilden-Fire, cut from The Illearth War and appearing independently as a novella. Literary DLC?

The reason it's important is self-evident.  From the first mission in the first game, Shepard has had some strange connection to the protheans, and the game has repeatedly suggested that the protheans hold the answers to many of the biggest questions in the universe.

Strange? There's nothing strange about it. He got hit by the beacon. Message received, understood, and acted upon.

Where'd you get the idea that the protheans were all-knowing, though? What I took away from ME1 is that they were only a little more advance than the Citadel races.

[fropas]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

And lol @ the company line "we hope people don't boycott the game, as they'd be missing out on a great experience."

What altruism! Cheers to that, though I can't help but wish this altruism had been in the room when they decided to try and gank everyone for an extra $10.

Once again this is not a "cash-grab" they are not raising the price of the SE. You simply won't have access to any of the content CE consumers will have--for free--if you think it's a rip off then you should wait for a GOTY edition to come out. in my opinion.

[dakphillips]

I'll still end up buying it, but in all seriousness frik everyone at EA/Bioware who advocated this day 1 DLC policy. With this and the massive dissapointment that was DA2, the Bioware name no longer carries the same respect that it did some years ago.

[suprhomre]

This is going to be my first mission.

[GuyIncognito21]

Mariyanna wrote...

I'm amazed by the sense of entitlement here.

So am I.  Just because a company thinks they can get away with charging their customers an extra $10 for a product, a bunch of apologists swarm in an tell everyone to pay up.  Where do they get off?

[suunio]

remember kids!

ENTITLEMENT is the buzz word!

[LinksOcarina]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Mariyanna wrote...

I'm amazed by the sense of entitlement here.

So am I.  Just because a company thinks they can get away with charging their customers an extra $10 for a product, a bunch of apologists swarm in an tell everyone to pay up.  Where do they get off?

And where do you get off complaining on a forum?

Or maybe this is how you get off...no matter...

Start the boycott and stop wasting breath on here, buddy. 

[Daywalker315]

Yuoaman wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

fropas wrote...

MostlyAutumn wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

transcendent12 wrote...
Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

Sure, the leaked script and beta/demo files are not proof/. Sure.

And of course Kasumi and LotSB don't count as counter-arguments. Because everything is already obvious to you.

Wait, was ME2 not a "complete" game because it lacked kasumi and LotSB? Because it didn't feel incomplete when I blew up the collector base.

To Aargh12: I've said this about 100 times but people don't seem to grasp it. Words on a page and a few lines of recorded audio does NOT prove that the entire character and Eden Prime mission were content complete, polished, and ready to be played before the game went off for certification and manufacturing. You can't go from A to Z like that and just assume that a few dialogue lines and words on a script means it's playable. Use common sense, people. It's not so hard.

I have not said once that it was complete before certification, just the fact that the assets exist means that the lion's share of work was done before that.

Ok, fair enough. I didn't read the entirety of the conversation and your previous posts. I just assumed given there are so many people here claiming it was done 6 months ago, you were one of them. The VO stuff doesn't surprise me. If they had a final script they would get the voice actor in there to record it, regardless of whether they were working on the actual mission and things yet or not. The character model and basic interactions, sure. The Eden Prime mission on the other hand I'd guess was largely done after the certification process started because they wouldn't waste resources building a level when they had other polish and things to do with an earlier deadline.