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[MostlyAutumn]

Yuoaman wrote...

I have not said once that it was complete before certification, just the fact that the assets exist means that the lion's share of work was done before that.

I've only heard about a couple of lines by Prothean, what other assets are there in the demo?

[Goth Skunk]

Mariyanna wrote...

I'm amazed by the sense of entitlement here.

It's mind boggling.

It's frightening.

It's automatic

It's systematic

It's... HYYYYDROMATIC....

[AkiKishi]

Daywalker315 wrote...

fropas wrote...

MostlyAutumn wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

transcendent12 wrote...
Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

Sure, the leaked script and beta/demo files are not proof/. Sure.

And of course Kasumi and LotSB don't count as counter-arguments. Because everything is already obvious to you.

Wait, was ME2 not a "complete" game because it lacked kasumi and LotSB? Because it didn't feel incomplete when I blew up the collector base.

To Aargh12: I've said this about 100 times but people don't seem to grasp it. Words on a page and a few lines of recorded audio does NOT prove that the entire character and Eden Prime mission were content complete, polished, and ready to be played before the game went off for certification and manufacturing. You can't go from A to Z like that and just assume that a few dialogue lines and words on a script means it's playable. Use common sense, people. It's not so hard.

You can say it a 1000 times and you are still wrong. In the case of the ME2 stuff it comes in two flavours.Day 1 DLC , required to complete the game. Other DLC which you may or may not choose to purchase.

What you are missing here is this. With ME3 Bioware is selling two versions of the game. One complete , one incomplete. The fact the files are on the disk is proof of that.

[GuyIncognito21]

fropas wrote...
Once again this is not a "cash-grab" they are not raising the price of the SE.

Nope, they simply cut content out of the SE to get people to give them more money.  Although I must say I don't see the difference between that and giving you the content at a raised price.

That's like me dumping out half a bottle of coke, charging you for the price of the full bottle, and responding to your incredulity with "what?  It's not like I raised the price."

[MartinDN]

rainasa wrote...

MartinDN wrote...

So how do you know this ? Because bioware stated it ? Yeh but they did not explain why the prothean and the voice code was in the early script. Like i said before, its almost guaranteed they lied, but no one can prove it, which its why its a masterstroke by bioware. You either believe them or you dont, and i would if if they was the same company they was 6 years ago.

the prothean was a main plot point in the FIRST leaked script, and was was totally absent from the second, this could mean they removed it due to time constraints or because they didnt feel the quality of his story wasnt up to par, but instead of just gutting him they planned for him to be released as DLC. I dont see how this is so shocking. content that was cut from early stages of planning being added into the game later as a DLC or an expansion isnt exactly a new thing.

So you dont see anything wrong with that ? How could you possibly rationalize it ? A PROTHEAN, they made him integral to the story, with voice code and everything to fit as a normal squadmate, suddenly cut him ? And then later turn him into the focal point of the CE and day 1 DLC. Im sorry you say they could cut him due to time constraints or the quality etc...i say how about purposefully cutting him for DLC ? Neither of us can say it with certainty, but THAT IS THE PROBLEM, its not that we dont get it for free its that they removed him and CHARGED US FOR IT.

Modifié par MartinDN, 23 février 2012 - 06:58 .

[theWarmaster]

Even though the boycott is going on... I mean... this was mentioned to the general public that there was extra content ONLY released for collector editions... And now that has been released-ish people are getting upset... I personally dont have a problem with this seeing it was mentioned to us before. I'm sure if you had mentioned the extra character was a Prothean people would have been boycotting sooner. It's because it's a prothean people are getting upset.

[Dragoonlordz]

The additional character may increase your enjoyment of the product but your are not entitled to it.

You may want it, you may believe it would increase your enjoyment of the game or improve your understanding of the lore, may leave feedback about how this affects your personal preferences from one element over another. But you are not entitled to it, they do not have to make it free and the product on offer is the one they are selling. It is not being withheld, it is part of the CE package on offer and offered also via DLC to those who do not want to spend as much money to increase their enjoyment of the game by paying for CE version.

Your life will not be over, walls will not come crashing down and your 'hobby' will still continue if you so wish it to. they did not cut off your air supply or throw your granny in front of a train, They are selling additional content of which people are only kicking a fuss about because it's a prothean and not fact they are selling additional characters in the slightest as extras as always have done.

Your perception and expectation of what impact has on the game making them feel they are entitled to it rather than realising they are actually not entitled at all to have this content for free with all variations. They do not "owe" anyone this additional content, it obviously has no major impact on the story other than mere furthering the enjoyment if present because the story can be completed without him present. It could increase their enjoyment of aforementioned product in which case buy it if wish to see what impact has or just be polite and mention it would increase enjoyment of your experience if was available in SE just like we have been doing in the trial thread.

Do not demand it because you have no right to be supplied with it based on your personal preference or increased enjoyment to see how the character plays out in the game. They do not owe you it and you are not entitled to it. You merely would 'like it' and believe would improve your experience of the game.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 février 2012 - 07:03 .

[LinksOcarina]

MostlyAutumn wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I have not said once that it was complete before certification, just the fact that the assets exist means that the lion's share of work was done before that.

I've only heard about a couple of lines by Prothean, what other assets are there in the demo?

I once again am remissed to bring up something I said earlier.

Does having voice files and the remnants of content from a game mean the content was cut from the game, or can it also mean that they are planning to add content that pertains to certain things in a DLC pack? 

One guy I know heavy into computer coding said it was basically datamining, some assests were put in that will link up with other assets added later. He also said that usually this is done when adding content, so if that is the case, then this was probably planned from the start. 

But again, I want to hear from someone who does coding and graphic design for a living. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 23 février 2012 - 07:00 .

[GuyIncognito21]

LinksOcarina wrote...
And where do you get off complaining on a forum?

That's what forums are for: so customers can express their views on the game, including expressing their frustration with unscrupulous money-grubbing businesses trying to ruin something into which people have invested a lot of time over the last 5 years.

[ArkkAngel007]

kidbd15 wrote...

Was having multiplayer in the main game worth sacrificing this content from the main game? Or would you have preferred the other way around?

If BioWare didn't have time to do this in the main game, then perhaps they could have had time if they hadn't been working on MP in the main game.

That is totally irrelevent to this discussion.  It was planned from the beginning, because the Prothean wasn't a part of the main plot (unlike the rest of the squad members, including many of the ME2 ones).

[Goth Skunk]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...
And where do you get off complaining on a forum?

That's what forums are for: so customers can express their views on the game, including expressing their frustration with unscrupulous money-grubbing businesses trying to ruin something into which people have invested a lot of time over the last 5 years.

They're also a place where other consumers can tell you to man up, grow a pair, and call you 'princess' in a condescending manner.

[Ziggybits]

 As a Huge Bioware fan, and even Bigger Mass Effect Fan, I am completly dissapointed in Bioware. As of 5 mins ago, I have canceled my preorder from gamestop, and WILL NOT be purchsesing one of my favorite games of all time.

Totall Biscuitt pretty much sums it all up, and will be supporting him 100%



I hope you guys learn from this mistake, or else your just going to alienate your selvs with your greed and bad marketing decisions.

What a sad day from Mass Effect Fans!  

[ArkkAngel007]

LinksOcarina wrote...

MostlyAutumn wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I have not said once that it was complete before certification, just the fact that the assets exist means that the lion's share of work was done before that.

I've only heard about a couple of lines by Prothean, what other assets are there in the demo?

I once again am remissed to bring up something I said earlier.

Does having voice files and the remnants of content from a game mean the content was cut from the game, or can it also mean that they are planning to add content that pertains to certain things in a DLC pack? 

One guy I know heavy into computer coding said it was basica datamining, some assests were put in that will link up with other assets added later. If that is the case, then this was probably planned from the start.

As I said earlier, it's the DLC that you're downloading that is incomplete, not the other way around.  That's how it has always been (except cases like Catwoman in Arkham City, which was a part of the main game and needed an unlock code).

[IndustrializedTaco]

It's interesting to say the least. My major question is how did a Prothean show up in present time.... That's like defying physics.

[AlanC9]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

fropas wrote...
Once again this is not a "cash-grab" they are not raising the price of the SE.

Nope, they simply cut content out of the SE to get people to give them more money. 

You know better than that. There never was any version of the SE that included this content.

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 février 2012 - 07:04 .

[Hardwired]

Mariyanna wrote...

I'm amazed by the sense of entitlement here.

Sure, the Prothean squadmate will probably have some relevance to the story. Just like Sebastian had relevance to the story in Dragon Age 2, Shale did in Dragon Age: Origins and even Kasumi, to a lesser extent, had in Mass Effect 2.

But that doesn't mean BioWare *has* to give him to us for free or we're entitled to him. BioWare is a developer and EA is a company. They need to make money to keep making games.

Besides, we've already *known* the Prothean would be DLC for months. Remember the leak when the N7 Collector's Edition was announced? The initial information then said - Prothean. Why the big shock now?

I do agree that the other "new" secret squaddie should probably have been the DLC one because that party member wouldn't be as crucial to the game's story and lore. But I'm not going to go crying and boycotting because I have the option to spend $10 and get a Prothean squad member, extra mission, extra character outfits and extra weapon.

You assume that everyone has been following the game development at the same extent. No everyone (clearly) was aware until it was brought to light, I presume, by TotalBisquit.

Seeing as they are now aware of this, thus you see the reaction first now.

[LawRecordings]

Guys, I think this entire series of complaints about DLC is nonsense.

1. EA / Bioware is a business. Its purpose is to make money. It is not a vehicle for delivery of your divine right to have whatever you feel is just. It makes a product, it sells it. It has expenses and revenues. It has a stock price. Management needs to grow cash flows to keep shareholders happy. Think an iPhone is too expensive, despite you really wanting one? Don't buy it. Or get a proper job and increase your own earnings. Same with this game. 

2. Supply & demand and basic economics apply here. As does basic capitalism, the system we all live in.  EA is a large firm that can create fancy business models and can monitor how much DLC is sold.

3. Clearly this has been thought through from EA's business side and they know that no matter how loud you complain here, you will still buy their game, and still get the DLC. I will merrily eat my words if there is huge uproar and EA has to announce in its earnings call this quarter that the internet has rebelled against its DLC, and the game was a commercial failure as a result.

4. They know that making the DLC character a Prothean will stimulate your demand to buy it. THEY KNOW THIS. It will make them sell more DLC, see? Because you'll feel like you don't get the full experience unless you do. 

5. If you are too poor to buy the DLC, you wont. Their game will still go gold / platinum, and the business still makes it money. If you do have the money, you will buy the DLC. If you don't, you wont, and you can still play the game from start to finish, and you'll still get your money's worth - around 25 hours of entertainment for $60.

Your product will be complete, functional, have a beginning and an end, and will be fun. Even without the DLC. Why so entitled that you can have the DLC for free? Its like feeling entitled to an iPhone cover as part of your iPhone. Nope - that's an optional extra. You want it, you buy it. 

But back to EA, the business guys with MBAs have thought this one through, and 95% of us will bend over and buy this. I'd love to get the DLC for free too, but I'll buy it. And I dont feel bitter about it. I would do the same if I was EA and I had to increase revenue by cross-selling add-ons to my customer base.

And if $10 is a big deal to you, then my condolences. If your sense of entitlement is the issue, then you need to realize how the world works.

Regards
Law

Modifié par LawRecordings, 23 février 2012 - 07:09 .

[OSE Killer]

Are people still ****ing? You should have bought the collectors edition then... Lol

[Daywalker315]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

fropas wrote...

MostlyAutumn wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

transcendent12 wrote...
Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

Sure, the leaked script and beta/demo files are not proof/. Sure.

And of course Kasumi and LotSB don't count as counter-arguments. Because everything is already obvious to you.

Wait, was ME2 not a "complete" game because it lacked kasumi and LotSB? Because it didn't feel incomplete when I blew up the collector base.

To Aargh12: I've said this about 100 times but people don't seem to grasp it. Words on a page and a few lines of recorded audio does NOT prove that the entire character and Eden Prime mission were content complete, polished, and ready to be played before the game went off for certification and manufacturing. You can't go from A to Z like that and just assume that a few dialogue lines and words on a script means it's playable. Use common sense, people. It's not so hard.

You can say it a 1000 times and you are still wrong. In the case of the ME2 stuff it comes in two flavours.Day 1 DLC , required to complete the game. Other DLC which you may or may not choose to purchase.

What you are missing here is this. With ME3 Bioware is selling two versions of the game. One complete , one incomplete. The fact the files are on the disk is proof of that.

So because SOME of the files are on the disc, it PROVES that ALL of the content in the 628MB download, specifically the Eden Prime mission, was completed when the discs were made? Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Also, who's to say that the 628MB would even fit on the discs? The Xbox version is crammed onto two discs with MP attached as well. They may very well have known it was going as DLC anyway so they loaded up the two discs to capacity without it.

[fropas]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

fropas wrote...
Once again this is not a "cash-grab" they are not raising the price of the SE.

Nope, they simply cut content out of the SE to get people to give them more money.  Although I must say I don't see the difference between that and giving you the content at a raised price.

That's like me dumping out half a bottle of coke, charging you for the price of the full bottle, and responding to your incredulity with "what?  It's not like I raised the price."

Yes that's true of all DLC. That's how I feel about not getting ALL the weapons on this disc, but oh well I've already paid for the full bottle, I don't like the idea of everyone getting a full bottle I had to pay 20$ extra to get.

That's like buying a CE and then the company just realeases all the in game content for free. That would really suck for people who paid more, to get more. 

[TheStoner]

Daywalker315 wrote...

fropas wrote...

MostlyAutumn wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

transcendent12 wrote...
Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

Sure, the leaked script and beta/demo files are not proof/. Sure.

And of course Kasumi and LotSB don't count as counter-arguments. Because everything is already obvious to you.

Wait, was ME2 not a "complete" game because it lacked kasumi and LotSB? Because it didn't feel incomplete when I blew up the collector base.

To Aargh12: I've said this about 100 times but people don't seem to grasp it. Words on a page and a few lines of recorded audio does NOT prove that the entire character and Eden Prime mission were content complete, polished, and ready to be played before the game went off for certification and manufacturing. You can't go from A to Z like that and just assume that a few dialogue lines and words on a script means it's playable. Use common sense, people. It's not so hard.

It doesn't matter if it was fully complete by the time it went to certification it still means it was worked on before certification and they probably had gotten pretty far to have gotton voice acting done.

[GuyIncognito21]

Goth Skunk wrote...
They're also a place where other consumers can tell you to man up, grow a pair, and call you 'princess' in a condescending manner.

I never suggested otherwise.  But patently compensatory displays of e-prowess aren't going to help your argument. 

[AkiKishi]

Ok this is what I've come up with so far.

2 Versions of ME 3 one complete, another incomplete. You need to pay $10 to complete it and depending on if you can get the defination to fly, that is illegal.

[Lufven1]

XeroNecross wrote...

Even though the boycott is going on... I mean... this was mentioned to the general public that there was extra content ONLY released for collector editions... And now that has been released-ish people are getting upset... I personally dont have a problem with this seeing it was mentioned to us before. I'm sure if you had mentioned the extra character was a Prothean people would have been boycotting sooner. It's because it's a prothean people are getting upset.

It sure is about the prothean thingy. And wouldn't you be upset? I mean, protheans are a pretty big deal. Zaeed is ok and all but he's not a big deal. We don't know if the character is even going to be any good but the fact that he could be important upsets people. People don't get upset about others recieving additional armor options, more guns and a dog or whatever but story elements is a big deal.

[mrbauxjangles]

 People seem to forget the only reason people like me are mad is becuase the character is a damn PROTHEAN! if it was zaeed or some other useless human no one would care. The fact that it is a prothean and that have been mentioned many times in the story and the only reason shepard is special is because of them is why people are mad.