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[CDRSkyShepard]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


To prove that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.

Read more: http://www.answers.c...g#ixzz1nEWoskV4

Would you say it was a reasonable expectation that a game you bought would be complete ?

Would be a textbook case, except one problem?  There is no case.

You weren't lied to.  The DLC was intended as DLC.  Plain and simple.  I don't know how many ways it has to be said for people to understand it.  

You know what would be false advertisement? Giving this DLC free to everyone despite the fact that the CE was advertised as having a "bonus DLC squadmate and mission." Then it no longer becomes a bonus for the CE. This DLC was one of the three primary factors in my decision to buy the CE over the SE. The other two were the art book and the digital soundtrack...so that hits (3) right there.

[Calians]

EA stands for Ethics Abandoned

[Lufven1]

fropas wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


To prove that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.

Read more: http://www.answers.c...g#ixzz1nEWoskV4

Would you say it was a reasonable expectation that a game you bought would be complete ?

Is ir false though? You can still beat the game with the SE. . .It's not like you can't beat the game. You just can't do it as stylishly as I can because you didn't buy all the features.

Wow....never thought I would be using this word but it fits so well. "Biodrooooooooooooone" *buzz buzz*

[v1g4]

So many whiners here
Well it's just sound of sucess.
http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/673

[GuyIncognito21]

AlanC9 wrote...
Are they alienating their customer base, or just GuyIncognito21and a few people who agree with him?

We'll find out soon enough how "few" those people are.  It's pretty simple to get a ballpark of how many free copies are floating around.

The fact that this thread is the ungodly lenght it is suggests that it's more than a few people who don't appreciate this nonsense.

[AkiKishi]

fropas wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


To prove that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.

Read more: http://www.answers.c...g#ixzz1nEWoskV4

Would you say it was a reasonable expectation that a game you bought would be complete ?

Is ir false though? You can still beat the game with the SE. . .It's not like you can't beat the game. You just can't do it as stylishly as I can because you didn't buy all the features.

That's where everyone is getting it wrong. It's not about being able to complete the game. It's about therer being two versions of the game.

CE - Complete
SE - Complete if you pay £10 (See 5 about injury)

No where on the box as far as I know does it say "this game costs an additional £10 to be the same as the collectors edition" (see 1 and 2)

Three you can take as given since that is what we are talking about.

[WizenSlinky0]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

It's interesting to say the least. My major question is how did a Prothean show up in present time.... That's like defying physics.

Nah -- the protheans had stasis technology; we know this from Ilos. They just didn't have enough power to actually keep the Ilos pods operating long enough to be rescued.

So somewhere else, some protheans had a better power source. Not even all that surprising, really.

That and keeping one alive is less taxing than trying to keep hundreds/thousands of them alive.

Also, it may have been a pure statis pod rather than a huge data center. Vigil had to keep both itself and some other critical systems online in order to facilitate the Ilos scientists work on the conduit after waking the survivors up.

[Zer027]

To be honest I really don't care. I only buy maybe 1 or 2 games a year and have only been fortunate enough to get through "2" play through's. I don't really care about it (I ponied up for the CE Edition) and unlike most of these kids I don't have time to b***h and moan about what one company does over another. If you guys are really so concerned about what EA is doing just watch this, it is how "ALL" companies take advantage of people and it is the basis for how you, a human being, think:

www.youtube.com/watch

Post Script: We live in an age where information is at your finger tips. STFU, get yourself educated and when you have something logical and rational to say and contribute then do so. Otherwise you're just another ranter on another message board.

P.P.S.: I know I'm just another ranter and I'm proud of it - it's a personal choice.

Modifié par Zer027, 23 février 2012 - 07:12 .

[obie191970]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
That's my intuition as well.  Why make it a prothean if it's not integral to the plot?  The fact that prothean even still exists is ITSELF an important narrative point (however it's explained).

Why is it important? You keep saying this but I never hear an actual reason.

Let's say one of the stasis pods on Ilos had still been functioning in ME1, and a real live prothean popped out. Sure, he could have told us a bunch of stuff about prothean culture that Vigil didn't. Maybe he could even have been a squadmate for the final mission. This would change.... what?

Again, that logic doesn't work.  Cutting the middle five chapters out of a book doesn't change the ending.  That doesn't mean they're not integral.  Nothing has to "change" at all.

The reason it's important is self-evident.  From the first mission in the first game, Shepard has had some strange connection to the protheans, and the game has repeatedly suggested that the protheans hold the answers to many of the biggest questions in the universe.

I shouldn't have to explain that.  The fact that it's important is the entire reason people are upset about this, and it's the exact reason that BW/EA have decided they can rake in the money by withholding it.

Um, if the middle five chapters of your book are able to be cut out without changing anything your editor would rip that book to shreds before it even made it to print. Those chapters would be removed. Something would have to change in that anology. The ending would no longer make sense. Or shouldn't make sense anymore.

Everything still makes plenty of sense without a prothean.

The game doesn't suggest the protheans hold any answers. The people suggest it. But the game has already told us otherwise. It has told us the protheans are inconsequential. It's called context.

The galaxy believes the protheans to be the end all and be all of galactic civilization before the current cycle. We've already been shown by the game that this view is totally wrong.

The protheans are not important. They're most significant contributions were entirely finished and neatly tied into a bow the moment you finished the conversation with Vigil. That was all you needed to know about the protheans for their involvement in the story.

Absolutely everything else about them is irrelevent and inconsequential. Sure, as a mass effect fan I'd love to hear all the fun details and lore about their face. But to say it's important to the series is kinda like saying the codex is required reading to enjoy the game. He's a walking codex entry. Nothing more, nothing less.

QFT

[Daywalker315]

BobSmith101 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Would you say it was a reasonable expectation that a game you bought would be complete ?

Sure. And ME3 will be complete.

How do you conclude that ? Playable and complete are not the same thing.

Only the CE will be complete. The SE can be complete for an additional £10.

The guy won't have a measurable impact on the story itself, which means the narrative doesn't change. Ergo, the game is complete with or without him. Whether or not YOU want to hear more about Prothean history as a fan is another matter. If that is important to YOU, then you can buy the DLC. It is not, however, important to the main story of ME3, or it wouldn't be DLC.

[Calians]

I love BioDRONES!!!

EA stands for Ethics Abandoned:wizard:

Modifié par Calians, 23 février 2012 - 07:12 .

[MakeMineMako]

Pygmalin wrote...

 So now I am curious is if the CE squad member will be different. 

Not to my knowledge. Same character and mission content, just offered seperately for owners of the Standard Edition of ME3.

[MasterNeo]

There's two facets to this.

1) One is selling a Prothean as separate content for $10 on Day 1. That's a bad business decision that's pissing off the community for reasons of story integrity. People are worried they're going to miss a major piece of the Mass Effect story if they don't get to experience the content behind the Prothean.

Regardless of whether or not the development of the DLC happened after the game was complete, the fact that the full voice acting files already exist in the demo demonstrates the content was already budgeted in advance. It costs a great deal of money to recall all of the voice actors into the studio in separate sessions to do another round of response dialogue for the Prothean. I'd be willing to bet those lines were already recorded in the same sessions along with the main dialogue. For content that was supposedly meant to be included in the Collector's Edition at release all along, it makes no sense to do otherwise. 

So the fact that a Prothean was intended to be behind the Collector's Edition wall, despite it being planned for and created with the main content in the first place, is the problem in itself.

2) The other facet to the problem arises when people defend the first facet of selling the Prothean as separate content by saying:

"It won't have any affect on the main story, or your completion of the game. You're still getting the full Mass Effect experience for $60"

If the discovery of the sole surviving member of the race that sets off the events of the entire series ultimately doesn't affect the main story at all, then Bioware's writing has gone horribly wrong and I worry for the integrity of the main story. 

Now the problem becomes the fact that the Prothean isn't a part of the main story. A being who somehow survived the Reaper's previous universal genocide would no doubt have pivotal information with regards to how the invasion happened before, how the Reapers operate, what their weapons are like, what mistakes were made in fighting them, and how humanity could do better.

As a result, the discovery of one would likely be the turning point of the war.

...But instead we're being told he's not important to the story, and for all intents and purposes, is simply another companion who blends in with the rest of the crew after you complete their side mission.

Seriously, just listen to the audio files. It's almost comical how casually they address the issue of walking around in public with a member of an extinct alien race. 

"What is that!?"

"He's a Prothean"

"...Of course, amazing what they can do with genetic modification these days."

None of it makes sense from the standpoint of story integrity, and when content like this sounds as shoehorned into the plot as it is, it's a safe bet that some businessman went too far this time in pushing exclusivity.

Ultimately, when it comes down to the zealous fighting over the principle of Day 1 DLC, EA/Bioware could have easily sidestepped this whole fiasco if they made the Prothean part of the main story, and instead had James "Jersey Shore" Vega be the DLC character instead.

People would've taken it for what it's worth, another optional character with his own backstory whose absence from the main story wouldn't be critically missed, but whose presence would enrich it further for those willing to spend the money.

Modifié par MasterNeo, 23 février 2012 - 07:19 .

[Xellana]

LawRecordings wrote...

Guys, I think this entire series of complaints about DLC is nonsense.

1. EA / Bioware is a business. Its purpose is to make money. It is not a vehicle for delivery of your divine right to have whatever you feel is just. It makes a product, it sells it. It has expenses and revenues. It has a stock price. Management needs to grow cash flows to keep shareholders happy. Think an iPhone is too expensive, despite you really wanting one? Don't buy it. Or get a proper job and increase your own earnings. Same with this game. 

2. Supply & demand and basic economics apply here. As does basic capitalism, the system we all live in.  EA is a large firm that can create fancy business models and can monitor how much DLC is sold.

3. Clearly this has been thought through from EA's business side and they know that no matter how loud you complain here, you will still buy their game, and still get the DLC. I will merrily eat my words if there is huge uproar and EA has to announce in its earnings call this quarter that the internet has rebelled against its DLC, and the game was a commercial failure as a result.

4. They know that making the DLC character a Prothean will stimulate your demand to buy it. THEY KNOW THIS. It will make them sell more DLC, see? Because you'll feel like you don't get the full experience unless you do. 

5. If you are too poor to buy the DLC, you wont. Their game will still go gold / platinum, and the business still makes it money. If you do have the money, you will buy the DLC. If you don't, you wont, and you can still play the game from start to finish, and you'll still get your money's worth - around 25 hours of entertainment for $60.

Your product will be complete, functional, have a beginning and an end, and will be fun. Even without the DLC. Why so entitled that you can have the DLC for free? Its like feeling entitled to an iPhone cover as part of your iPhone. Nope - that's an optional extra. You want it, you buy it. 

But back to EA, the business guys with MBAs have thought this one through, and 95% of us will bend over and buy this. I'd love to get the DLC for free too, but I'll buy it. And I dont feel bitter about it. I would do the same if I was EA and I had to increase revenue by cross-selling add-ons to my customer base.

And if $10 is a big deal to you, then my condolences. If your sense of entitlement is the issue, then you need to realize how the world works.

Regards
Law

Rumor has it, that there are businesses who alienate their customers through bad decitions and actually loose money because of it, instead of making more. I think Bioware/EA took a big step in that direction, which you can clearly see by the outrage of many fans of the series here.

[LinksOcarina]

BobSmith101 wrote...

fropas wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


To prove that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.

Read more: http://www.answers.c...g#ixzz1nEWoskV4

Would you say it was a reasonable expectation that a game you bought would be complete ?

Is ir false though? You can still beat the game with the SE. . .It's not like you can't beat the game. You just can't do it as stylishly as I can because you didn't buy all the features.

That's where everyone is getting it wrong. It's not about being able to complete the game. It's about therer being two versions of the game.

CE - Complete
SE - Complete if you pay £10 (See 5 about injury)

No where on the box as far as I know does it say "this game costs an additional £10 to be the same as the collectors edition" (see 1 and 2)

Three you can take as given since that is what we are talking about.

Then by this definition, every game coming out in the past five years has been technically illegal, from MMOs to games with DLC.

So yeah, I am still not impressed with the all or nothing stance you have. Mainly because, once again, the game is complete already, and this is extra content as advertised.

[fropas]

Daywalker315 wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

fropas wrote...

MostlyAutumn wrote...

Aargh12 wrote...

transcendent12 wrote...
Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

Sure, the leaked script and beta/demo files are not proof/. Sure.

And of course Kasumi and LotSB don't count as counter-arguments. Because everything is already obvious to you.

Wait, was ME2 not a "complete" game because it lacked kasumi and LotSB? Because it didn't feel incomplete when I blew up the collector base.

To Aargh12: I've said this about 100 times but people don't seem to grasp it. Words on a page and a few lines of recorded audio does NOT prove that the entire character and Eden Prime mission were content complete, polished, and ready to be played before the game went off for certification and manufacturing. You can't go from A to Z like that and just assume that a few dialogue lines and words on a script means it's playable. Use common sense, people. It's not so hard.

It doesn't matter if it was fully complete by the time it went to certification it still means it was worked on before certification and they probably had gotten pretty far to have gotton voice acting done.

It actually DOES matter if it was fully done or not before certification. If it wasn't, then it takes the "this should have been on the disc" argument off the table. It wouldn't be possible. That only leaves the other lackluster arguments people are coming up with.

Agreed. It totally matters if it was done before certification. I don't want to pay for a CE then wait a month to download all the content (like I had to for MVC3).

Wait, is that what you were saying? 

Modifié par fropas, 23 février 2012 - 07:14 .

[AkiKishi]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


To prove that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.

Read more: http://www.answers.c...g#ixzz1nEWoskV4

Would you say it was a reasonable expectation that a game you bought would be complete ?

Would be a textbook case, except one problem?  There is no case.

You weren't lied to.  The DLC was intended as DLC.  Plain and simple.  I don't know how many ways it has to be said for people to understand it.  

You know what would be false advertisement? Giving this DLC free to everyone despite the fact that the CE was advertised as having a "bonus DLC squadmate and mission." Then it no longer becomes a bonus for the CE. This DLC was one of the three primary factors in my decision to buy the CE over the SE. The other two were the art book and the digital soundtrack...so that hits (3) right there.

No, legally thats fine. It's bonus in addition to the content of the CE. If it was the only thing in the CE then it would be false advertising.

Unless it says "exclusive to" it's not a problem. If it does say "exclusive to" then they are already in breach by selling it somewhere else.

[rumbalumba]

i lvoe how this ha twice the replies of the Demo Feedback thread.


so what did i miss?

[FlameChucks]

Reading through the forum it has become obvious that we are at a disconnect.

I think at this point we need some clear clarification in regards to the overall argument, because i truly believe that the point has been lost within all the meme's and all of the dry comparisons.

Ultimately i have to ask......because even i have lost my point on the argument, is whether this is a discussion of Day One DLC or the fact that this DLC in particular is really an unnecessary method of banking on a race with which both games have referenced on numerous occasions and are restricting access to this character via payment method?

[AkiKishi]

Daywalker315 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Would you say it was a reasonable expectation that a game you bought would be complete ?

Sure. And ME3 will be complete.

How do you conclude that ? Playable and complete are not the same thing.

Only the CE will be complete. The SE can be complete for an additional £10.

The guy won't have a measurable impact on the story itself, which means the narrative doesn't change. Ergo, the game is complete with or without him. Whether or not YOU want to hear more about Prothean history as a fan is another matter. If that is important to YOU, then you can buy the DLC. It is not, however, important to the main story of ME3, or it wouldn't be DLC.

Irrelevent.

Nothing to do with what he does or does not do only that his files exist on the game disk and you are being charged and additional fee to access them which makes the game disk incomplete.

[Yuoaman]

MasterNeo wrote...

There's two facets to this.

1) One is selling a Prothean as separate content for $10 on Day 1. That's a bad business decision that's pissing off the community for reasons of story integrity. People are worried they're going to miss a major piece of the Mass Effect story if they don't get to experience the content behind the Prothean.

Regardless of whether or not the development of the DLC happened after the game was complete, the fact that the full voice acting files already exist in the demo demonstrates the content was already budgeted in advance. It costs a great deal of money to recall all of the voice actors into the studio in separate sessions to do another round of response dialogue for the Prothean. I'd be willing to bet those lines were already recorded in the same sessions along with the main dialogue. For content that was supposedly meant to be included in the Collector's Edition at release all along, it makes no sense to do otherwise. 

So the fact that a Prothean was intended to be behind the Collector's Edition wall, despite it being planned for and created with the main content in the first place, is the problem in itself.

2) The other facet to the problem arises when people defend the first facet of selling the Prothean as separate content by saying:

"It won't have any affect on the main story, or your completion of the game. You're still getting the full Mass Effect experience for $60"

If the discovery of the sole surviving member of the race that sets off the events of the entire series ultimately doesn't affect the main story at all, then Bioware's writing has gone horribly wrong and I worry for the integrity of the main story. 

Now the problem becomes the fact that the Prothean isn't a part of the main story. A being who somehow survived the Reaper's previous universal genocide would no doubt have pivotal information with regards to how the invasion happened before, how the Reaper's operate, what their weapons are like, what mistakes were made in fighting them, and how humanity could do better. As a result, the discovery of one would likely be the turning point of the war.

...But instead we're being told he's not important to the story, and for all intents and purposes, is simply another companion who blends in with the rest of the crew after you complete their side mission.

Seriously, just listen to the audio files. It's almost comical how casually they address the issue of walking around in public with a member of an extinct alien race. 

"What is that!?"

"He's a Prothean"

"...Of course, amazing what they can do with genetic modification these days."

None of it makes sense from the standpoint of story integrity, and when content like this sounds as shoehorned into the plot as it is, it's a safe bet that some businessman went too far this time in pushing exclusivity.

Ultimately, when it comes down to the zealous fighting over the principle of Day 1 DLC, EA/Bioware could have easily sidestepped this whole fiasco if they made the Prothean part of the main story, and instead had James "Jersey Shore" Vega be the DLC character instead.

People would've take it for what it's worth, another optional character with his own backstory whose absence from the main story wouldn't be critically missed, but whose presence would enrich it further for those willing to spend the money.

While I don't agree with Day 1 DLC, it would have been much more palateable if it had been someone who's very existence shakes up the status quo of the universe.

[AlanC9]

BobSmith101 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Would you say it was a reasonable expectation that a game you bought would be complete ?

Sure. And ME3 will be complete.

How do you conclude that ? Playable and complete are not the same thing.

Only the CE will be complete. The SE can be complete for an additional £10.

So "complete" means... what? If it means having all the content, then there's no such thing as a "complete" ME3 until Bio stops releasing DLC for ME3.

You obviously mean something else by "complete." What?

[GuyIncognito21]

MasterNeo wrote...
Ultimately, when it comes down to the zealous fighting over the principle of Day 1 DLC, EA/Bioware could have easily sidestepped this whole fiasco if they made the Prothean part of the main story, and instead had James "Jersey Shore" Vega be the DLC character instead.

Bingo.  It must be beyond dispute that the importance of the prothean is the entire selling point of this scheme.  Otherwise they would have picked a more ancillary character to make a superfluous addition.

And you said it perfectly for why "well maybe the Prothean isn't important" isn't a valid argument.  It may well be true, but if it is true then it raises an entirely different set of alarming concerns.

[Dragoonlordz]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The additional character may increase your enjoyment of the product but you are not 'entitled' to it.

You may want it, you may believe it would increase your enjoyment of the game or improve your understanding of the lore, may leave feedback about how this affects your personal preferences from one element over another. But you are not entitled to it, they do not have to make it free and the product on offer is the one they are selling. It is not being withheld, it is part of the CE package on offer and offered also via DLC to those who do not want to spend as much money to increase their enjoyment of the game by paying for CE version.

Your life will not be over, walls will not come crashing down and your 'hobby' will still continue if you so wish it to. they did not cut off your air supply or throw your granny in front of a train, They are selling additional content of which people are only kicking a fuss about because it's a prothean and not fact they are selling additional characters in the slightest as extras as always have done.

Your perception and expectation of what impact has on the game making them feel they are entitled to it rather than realising they are actually not entitled at all to have this content for free with all variations. They do not "owe" anyone this additional content, it obviously has no major impact on the story other than mere furthering the enjoyment if present because the story can be completed without him present. It could increase their enjoyment of aforementioned product in which case buy it if wish to see what impact has or just be polite and mention it would increase enjoyment of your experience if was available in SE just like we have been doing in the trial thread.

Do not demand it because you have no right to be supplied with it based on your personal preference or increased enjoyment to see how the character plays out in the game. They do not owe you it and you are not entitled to it. You merely would 'like it' and believe would improve your experience of the game.

Feel I need to repeat this since people tend to not wish to listen to things they don't want to hear even if true.

I would also point out people saying "was cut to sell back to us", it is not actually fact, it is assumption. I debated this in great detail about the Sebastion DLC for DA2 long time ago of which I was more in line with some of the peoples responses in here though with less hyperbole. What we know currently is that they told you it was not cut, that is was still being developed when the game went in for certification. Adding to this the element of the download shown being 800+ MB in size on XBL is different to the Sabastion which was only 50mb (basically in that case unlocked content from the disc). In this case it seems to big to just unlock content on the disc which implies it is not on the disc in first place and backs up the statement mentioned earlier.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 février 2012 - 07:17 .

[MakeMineMako]

rumbalumba wrote...

i lvoe how this ha twice the replies of the Demo Feedback thread.


so what did i miss?

Some serious discussion amongst an ocean of bullsh*t.

But the serious discussion is always worth it.