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[MasterNeo]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...
No, the writing hasn't gone wrong (well at least not in the way you mentioned, whether it actually has is another debate). The protheans were important, in ME1. Absolutely everything they were needed for, or we needed to know about them, or that was important to the story...was wrapped up in ME1. The rest is background information and lore similar to what you find in the codex. All very interesting but hardly important to the reapers defeat.

If the protheans really had knowledge of how to defeat the reapers they would have done so.

How the invasion happened before? Already know that. Vigil told us.

How the reapers operate? Already know everything the protheans knew. Vigil told us.

What their weapons are like? We got attacked by one. Spoiler, they used weapons. Weapons we have been reverse engineering. Check one off for knowing about the technology.

What mistakes were made? Oh, look. Vigil again. Remember when he told us how they killed all their leaders, shut down the relays, and indoctrinated the crap out of their friends and family? Ah good times.

How humanity could do better? Seriously? They've already done more than any other race that came before including the protheans. They are beyond needing help from those who have already failed.

Yeah, you're right. A living breathing entity who experienced the destruction of his race and somehow lived to tell about it isn't ultimately important. A living survivor of a race that left behind technology that imprinted itself onto Shepard's brain chemistry at the beginning of the first game, ultimately providing the reason for his importance in the first place, not important.

Really? Alright, guess we'll have to agree to disagree there.

Modifié par MasterNeo, 23 février 2012 - 07:32 .

[StowyMcStowstow]

What they did isn't illegal at all. It's kind of a dick move, putting a character that 99% of ME players would consider a VERY big deal as a $10 DLC, but not illegal.

[AlanC9]

pavi132 wrote...

What bugs me is that they were thinking about DLC before the game was even finished. .

Actually, they were thinking about DLC before the game was even started.

[DJBare]

kidbd15 wrote...

Wouldn't you rather have been surprised by the Prothean reveal in-game instead of it being marketed as a DLC to buy?

This, it would have been an epic moment, but now it's just "oh hey there prothy, sleep well?. lets got kick some ass"

[Bobrzy]

Double post, sorry.

Modifié par Bobrzy, 23 février 2012 - 07:32 .

[Niemack Saarinen]

pavi132 wrote...

What bugs me is that they were thinking about DLC before the game was even finished. To me, DLC shouldn't even be considered until the main game is complete. Otherwise, whether consciously or not, the DLC will have an impact on the development of the main game, even if the two are made by separate teams, and could even dilute the quality of the main game as a result. That is what worries me most about this. While they can tell us that one has no effect on the other, it is hard for me to believe that.

You cant finish the story then go "Oh well lets add something here about.."  they need the fore-thought while creating the base game of how everything is going to inter-connect together, not pasted on crudely at the end. 

[rainasa]

Yuoaman wrote...

I, up until the last couple of days, had assumed that the DLC would be treated like Zaeed and be included with all new versions of the game, even when it was leaked on XBL I was still under this impression.

I am no longer under this impression.

both shale from dragon age and the ceberus network where included free into new copies of the game to prevent people from just buying used copies of the game, Mass Effect 3 already does this with some sort of multiplayer code, so they released the squadmate with the CE and as day one DLC.

[AlanC9]

MasterNeo wrote...
They're far beyond needing the help of a race of beings that created the Mass Relays in the first place,

You sure you actually played ME1? You might want to replay ME1, since you seem to have forgotten a couple of key plot points.

[AkiKishi]

Exia001 wrote...

I'm still failing to understand how the game is incomplete without extra character.you still get all the missions, weapons, characters, story plots, cinematics, disc, case...

If this is all because of the fact that the its a Prothean, you don't know what impact will have on the game he may just be a squad neighbour walks around with you is that really worth the entire bounty of rage that has taken place, we don't know what impact is going to have on the story.

Using the argument that the game is not complete without the character is the same as saying that number two, was not complete without Zaeed, it's just a character is not as if they're asking you to pay to see the end, that would be stupid it's just a companion that you may or may not choose to use, I just think the argument of a vast games such as this not being complete without the inclusion of one solitary character is daft.

Zaeed was in the "package" so you had what you needed in the ME2 game pack that you purchased to make the game complete.

Anyone with a new game got Zaeed people who bought used did not. That's perfectly fine.

[Bobrzy]

So let me get this straight - "From Ashes" DLC is INCLUDED in Collectors Edition?

[ArkkAngel007]

Bluumberry wrote...

blindchaos wrote...

While DLC on Day 1 always inspires questions as to whether or not the game is being dissected and sold in smaller pieces, the sudden outrage feels a tad disingenuous. The CE was announced as having a Prothen squad member. The Prothy nickname came out hours after the CE announcement.

Even if you didn't know it was a prothean, you knew there was going to be a day 1 dlc character that CE owners would already have in their purchase.

The fact that this thread did not exist in June or July when a real difference could have been made, implies that most people passively condoned Day 1 DLC when they didn't care what the species was. Now that it has been confirmed as a prothean it is a violation of gamers rights?

I'm not defending Day 1 DLC, as I find the practice troubling to say the least. However, the frequent claims that those who are not screaming and yelling at bioware are simple minded pawns feels crude and false. We all knew this was coming, either vote with your wallets or buy the DLC.

Barely anyone cared...until Totalbiscuit started this hulabaloo.

If TB never did that piece, this wouldn't be happening...not to the same degree.  His opinion is now apparently fact and anyone who says otherwise is just a "drone".  

[sta697]

some people in here must work for bioware or i can't explain what people are thinking these days.how can you justify that day one there is extra plot that i will not get with my sixty dollars.and it is a prothean of all things the protheans and the keepers are the most illusive and intresting characters in mass effect lore and to ask me to pay 10 bucks on launch to have one of them as a companion is besides bad business an insult to what this franchise used to be

Modifié par sta697, 23 février 2012 - 07:32 .

[AlanC9]

DJBare wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Wouldn't you rather have been surprised by the Prothean reveal in-game instead of it being marketed as a DLC to buy?

This, it would have been an epic moment, but now it's just "oh hey there prothy, sleep well?. lets got kick some ass"

Sure, but that cat's been out of the bag for months.

[GuyIncognito21]

DJBare wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Wouldn't you rather have been surprised by the Prothean reveal in-game instead of it being marketed as a DLC to buy?

This, it would have been an epic moment, but now it's just "oh hey there prothy, sleep well?. lets got kick some ass"

Yeah, and that's another aspect of this from a "long time fan perspective."  That should have been an awesome in-game moment and now it's nothing.

[Yuoaman]

rainasa wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I, up until the last couple of days, had assumed that the DLC would be treated like Zaeed and be included with all new versions of the game, even when it was leaked on XBL I was still under this impression.

I am no longer under this impression.

both shale from dragon age and the ceberus network where included free into new copies of the game to prevent people from just buying used copies of the game, Mass Effect 3 already does this with some sort of multiplayer code, so they released the squadmate with the CE and as day one DLC.

I know why they did it in the past, and I agree with the practice. Used games are hurting the industry and I see no harm in encouraging people to buy new.

[Yuoaman]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

blindchaos wrote...

While DLC on Day 1 always inspires questions as to whether or not the game is being dissected and sold in smaller pieces, the sudden outrage feels a tad disingenuous. The CE was announced as having a Prothen squad member. The Prothy nickname came out hours after the CE announcement.

Even if you didn't know it was a prothean, you knew there was going to be a day 1 dlc character that CE owners would already have in their purchase.

The fact that this thread did not exist in June or July when a real difference could have been made, implies that most people passively condoned Day 1 DLC when they didn't care what the species was. Now that it has been confirmed as a prothean it is a violation of gamers rights?

I'm not defending Day 1 DLC, as I find the practice troubling to say the least. However, the frequent claims that those who are not screaming and yelling at bioware are simple minded pawns feels crude and false. We all knew this was coming, either vote with your wallets or buy the DLC.

Barely anyone cared...until Totalbiscuit started this hulabaloo.

If TB never did that piece, this wouldn't be happening...not to the same degree.  His opinion is now apparently fact and anyone who says otherwise is just a "drone".  

This was still a problem before his video, just because people are agreeing with it doesn't make it the source of their concerns.

[Hardwired]

Bobrzy wrote...

So let me get this straight - "From Ashes" DLC is INCLUDED in Collectors Edition?

Correct.

[Erick Magnis]

All this could be avoided launching this DLC 1 month later.

[Bluumberry]

rainasa wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I, up until the last couple of days, had assumed that the DLC would be treated like Zaeed and be included with all new versions of the game, even when it was leaked on XBL I was still under this impression.

I am no longer under this impression.

both shale from dragon age and the ceberus network where included free into new copies of the game to prevent people from just buying used copies of the game, Mass Effect 3 already does this with some sort of multiplayer code, so they released the squadmate with the CE and as day one DLC.

Thanks. I said that last night and apparently I was the idiot.

[Varen Spectre]

v1g4 wrote...

So many whiners here
Well it's just sound of sucess.
http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/673

It's not only here though... Check out for example the comments on Gamespot or this reddit thread or or this. Actually, I would say that the posts here aren't that whiny and some of them are decently substantiated and even relatively polite.

I still believe that many posters here berate this community and label it as whiny too much here. There are far worse places on the internet. 

[GuyIncognito21]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
If TB never did that piece, this wouldn't be happening...not to the same degree.  His opinion is now apparently fact and anyone who says otherwise is just a "drone". 

The facts are pretty agreed upon.  How people view those facts (i.e. their opinions) is the source of the disagreement.

His opinion is that cut content DLC is nonsense and it's an unacceptable trendsetter in gaming.  That's his opinion, sure, but it happens to be the opinion of a lot of people.

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 23 février 2012 - 07:34 .

[_symphony]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...
How humanity could do better? Seriously? They've already done more than any other race that came before including the protheans. They are beyond needing help from those who have already failed.

Ignoring that the only reason humanity has a fighting chance is thanks to the protheans.

[rumbalumba]

Bobrzy wrote...

So let me get this straight - "From Ashes" DLC is INCLUDED in Collectors Edition?

NOPE, only the squad member + mission.


"From Ashes" has character appearances/skins "in addition to the ones in the CE".

i think it also has a weapon.



so...yeah....those "true fans" would have to shell out another $10 if they want a MORE COMPLETE experiece. ROFL. 

[AkiKishi]

Yuoaman wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

blindchaos wrote...

While DLC on Day 1 always inspires questions as to whether or not the game is being dissected and sold in smaller pieces, the sudden outrage feels a tad disingenuous. The CE was announced as having a Prothen squad member. The Prothy nickname came out hours after the CE announcement.

Even if you didn't know it was a prothean, you knew there was going to be a day 1 dlc character that CE owners would already have in their purchase.

The fact that this thread did not exist in June or July when a real difference could have been made, implies that most people passively condoned Day 1 DLC when they didn't care what the species was. Now that it has been confirmed as a prothean it is a violation of gamers rights?

I'm not defending Day 1 DLC, as I find the practice troubling to say the least. However, the frequent claims that those who are not screaming and yelling at bioware are simple minded pawns feels crude and false. We all knew this was coming, either vote with your wallets or buy the DLC.

Barely anyone cared...until Totalbiscuit started this hulabaloo.

If TB never did that piece, this wouldn't be happening...not to the same degree.  His opinion is now apparently fact and anyone who says otherwise is just a "drone".  

This was still a problem before his video, just because people are agreeing with it doesn't make it the source of their concerns.

The video just gave a wider exposure to what people were already talking about.

[Mclouvins]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

If TB never did that piece, this wouldn't be happening...not to the same degree.  His opinion is now apparently fact and anyone who says otherwise is just a "drone".  

The best part is that I looked back and he did an hour long video on Deus Ex while somehow overlooking the fact that it had a mission that was connected to the augmented reality edition and available for purchase as a standalone.