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CDRSkyShepard

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BobSmith101 wrote...

That means Bioware could release the DLC free and not face action (legal) from CE buyers.


Heh. Funny, I was told I wouldn't have to pay for this DLC if I bought the CE, and not the SE. I was told if I bought the SE I'd have to pay for this DLC. So you're telling me that if that no longer becomes true, I wasn't lied to? Forget legal action for a minute...think about what you're saying. We're here discussing ethics of DLC, let's talk ethics in general: just because it's legal, does it mean that it's ethical, too?

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Hardwired wrote...

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So let me get this straight - "From Ashes" DLC is INCLUDED in Collectors Edition?


Correct.


Thank you for your response.

That's great, i ordered CE last year and now i'm even more hyped for it.

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sta697 wrote...

some people in here must work for bioware or i can't explain what people are thinking these days.how can you justify that day one there is extra plot that i will not get with my sixty dollars.and it is a prothean of all things the protheans and the keepers are the most illusive and intresting characters in mass effect lore and ask me to pay 10 bucks on launch to have one of them as a companion is besides bad business an insult to what this franchise used to be


Because some of us actually realize that him being a Prothean isn't important to the main game, and thus isn't needed to enjoy the retail copy.  If we don't agree with the practice, we don't buy the DLC, as it would be the issue as it is just auxillary content.

If we want the lore information still, that's what YouTube, this forum, and the Wiki are for.

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so when is the trailer and photos going to be posted for Javik? do we know yet?

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ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Difference between this and Deception: People actually knew what they were talking about with Deception. This is just a bunch of people spouting out flawed opinions and trying to pass them off as fact, while very few of us give actual, evidence-based views on both ends of the issue.

This isn't a debate about evolution. This is about ethics not science so the only evidence needed to object to this is that it is day 1 dlc because many people object to day 1 dlc.

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_symphony wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...
How humanity could do better? Seriously? They've already done more than any other race that came before including the protheans. They are beyond needing help from those who have already failed.

Ignoring that the only reason humanity has a fighting chance is thanks to the protheans.


And I'm sure everyone is properly grateful. Your point?

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 février 2012 - 07:36 .


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Niemack Saarinen wrote...

pavi132 wrote...

What bugs me is that they were thinking about DLC before the game was even finished. To me, DLC shouldn't even be considered until the main game is complete. Otherwise, whether consciously or not, the DLC will have an impact on the development of the main game, even if the two are made by separate teams, and could even dilute the quality of the main game as a result. That is what worries me most about this. While they can tell us that one has no effect on the other, it is hard for me to believe that.



You cant finish the story then go "Oh well lets add something here about.."  they need the fore-thought while creating the base game of how everything is going to inter-connect together, not pasted on crudely at the end. 


The problem with what you're saying is that they are essentially not making a complete game if they project to have things in the game ahead of time but choose to make them DLC instead. They should focus on making a complete game in its entirety first so they don't compromise the creation by withholding certain aspects for DLC and then add DLC later that maybe answers questions fans may still have or include more lore in side missions.

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MasterNeo wrote...

Yeah, you're right. A living breathing entity who experienced the destruction of his race and somehow lived to tell about it isn't ultimately important. A living survivor of a race that left behind technology that imprinted itself onto Shepard's brain chemistry at the beginning of the first game, ultimately providing the reason for his importance in the first place, not important.

Really? Alright, guess we'll have to agree to disagree there.


A thousand other races were destroyed by the reapers as well. It's the point of the cycle. The only thing "special" about the protheans was the fact they were the most recent before us, and the fact they managed to build the conduit and change the keepers signals...which was all neatly tied up into a bow at the end of ME1.

The prothean beacon does not make a prothean important.

That's like saying the person who created the reapers is integral to the story because the reapers are trying to kill us. Would it be interesting to find out how the reapers began? Totally, awesome lore there. Is it integral to the plot, story, or gameplay of ME3? Not even a little bit.

In fact, everything we needed to know about the beacon was...again...covered by Vigil. Man that little VI, I miss him.

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Dear god people DLC is the way the gaming industry works now. One it keeps the people who make the games we love working longer. Two it is a way to add more to the product. Besides its ten bucks and you don't have to buy it.

Back on topic any word on when the trailers and images are coming out for the Day 1 DLC?

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AlanC9 wrote...

Sure, but that cat's been out of the bag for months.

For a lot of people like me who have been trying very hard to avoid details in case of spoilers it, the cat was only just let out of the bag.

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BobSmith101 wrote...

That means Bioware could release the DLC free and not face action (legal) from CE buyers.


lol are you kidding me? legal action? wow now that go's to show the lack of intelegence on this board

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DJBare wrote...

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Wouldn't you rather have been surprised by the Prothean reveal in-game instead of it being marketed as a DLC to buy?

This, it would have been an epic moment, but now it's just "oh hey there prothy, sleep well?. lets got kick some ass"


yeah that hurted the most i was carefully avoiding any spoilers,i hadn't seen the trailer but the moment i heard day 1 dlc i had to figure what's going on.besides even someone that will just go on the marketplace will see.it's just a shame they 're just screwed themshelves over devalueting this series like that

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rumbalumba wrote...

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So let me get this straight - "From Ashes" DLC is INCLUDED in Collectors Edition?


NOPE, only the squad member + mission.


"From Ashes" has character appearances/skins "in addition to the ones in the CE".

i think it also has a weapon.



so...yeah....those "true fans" would have to shell out another $10 if they want a MORE COMPLETE experiece. ROFL. :lol:


Nope.

You get the mission, the additional crewmate and the crew alternate clothing in the Collectors edition.

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Bobrzy wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

Bobrzy wrote...

So let me get this straight - "From Ashes" DLC is INCLUDED in Collectors Edition?


Correct.


Thank you for your response.

That's great, i ordered CE last year and now i'm even more hyped for it.


again, ONLY the squadmate + mission.


the skins, weapon, etc. in "From Ashes" is not in the CE.

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"As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game."


Solution: People who activate their ME3 Online Pass in a certain Time Frame, get this DLC Free. Since we all know ME3 will have an Online Pass.

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GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
If TB never did that piece, this wouldn't be happening...not to the same degree.  His opinion is now apparently fact and anyone who says otherwise is just a "drone". 


The facts are pretty agreed upon.  How people view those facts (i.e. their opinions) is the source of the disagreement.

His opinion is that cut content DLC is nonsense and it's an unacceptable trendsetter in gaming.  That's his opinion, sure, but it happens to be the opinion of a lot of people.


Which I agree with as long as the content was actually cut from the main game in its intended, retail form.

I don't disagree with TB on his opinions and concepts.  Far from it.  But I do disagree that this is an instance of that, and the evidence is there to back it up.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 23 février 2012 - 07:39 .


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pavi132 wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

pavi132 wrote...

What bugs me is that they were thinking about DLC before the game was even finished. To me, DLC shouldn't even be considered until the main game is complete. Otherwise, whether consciously or not, the DLC will have an impact on the development of the main game, even if the two are made by separate teams, and could even dilute the quality of the main game as a result. That is what worries me most about this. While they can tell us that one has no effect on the other, it is hard for me to believe that.



You cant finish the story then go "Oh well lets add something here about.."  they need the fore-thought while creating the base game of how everything is going to inter-connect together, not pasted on crudely at the end. 


The problem with what you're saying is that they are essentially not making a complete game if they project to have things in the game ahead of time but choose to make them DLC instead. They should focus on making a complete game in its entirety first so they don't compromise the creation by withholding certain aspects for DLC and then add DLC later that maybe answers questions fans may still have or include more lore in side missions.


There is no problem when the DLC content are extras. They are not essential to the main storyline.

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OmegaXI wrote...

Dear god people DLC is the way the gaming industry works now. One it keeps the people who make the games we love working longer. Two it is a way to add more to the product. Besides its ten bucks and you don't have to buy it.

Back on topic any word on when the trailers and images are coming out for the Day 1 DLC?


Gamble said info tomorrow.

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Yuoaman wrote...
The Prothean is important because he is a GODDAMN PROTHEAN, y'know: a member of an extinct species in the Mass Effect universe... And I know for a fact that Javik is not present in the game at all unless you install the DLC, he is the only Prothean and he's not in the game otherwise.


While that is the reason that has everyone up in arms. The principle is the same whether he is a Prothean or not.
Files on the game disk that require another source to make use of makes the game incomplete. They are trying to charge us £10 more for the game we bought to make it the same version as the CE.

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OmegaXI wrote...

Dear god people DLC is the way the gaming industry works now. One it keeps the people who make the games we love working longer. Two it is a way to add more to the product. Besides its ten bucks and you don't have to buy it.

Back on topic any word on when the trailers and images are coming out for the Day 1 DLC?


they said they planned on releasing all of this friday but it got leaked of the marketplace first,. so thats my bet.

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Have a question. Why are people still defending BioWare? If people decide that they want to boycott this game because it violates a principle that they have, why do you care? It's not like you won't still be able to buy the game. I'm sure that there will even be a few extra copies of the CE due to this. So, why are you still here trying to change people's minds.

That was like... four questions. Sorry. Lol.

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Mclouvins wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

Dear god people DLC is the way the gaming industry works now. One it keeps the people who make the games we love working longer. Two it is a way to add more to the product. Besides its ten bucks and you don't have to buy it.

Back on topic any word on when the trailers and images are coming out for the Day 1 DLC?


Gamble said info tomorrow.


Thanks

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AlanC9 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Wouldn't you rather have been surprised by the Prothean reveal in-game instead of it being marketed as a DLC to buy?

This, it would have been an epic moment, but now it's just "oh hey there prothy, sleep well?. lets got kick some ass"


Sure, but that cat's been out of the bag for months.


They would have announced the DLC tomorrow if it weren't for that xbox-market-fail. And don't come and say that everybody knew about it. Only people willing to invest a lot of time finding it or reading forums would. I'm not saying that it's anything wrong with that but I'm guessing 99% of the Mass Effect audience don't do that.

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rumbalumba wrote...

Bobrzy wrote...

So let me get this straight - "From Ashes" DLC is INCLUDED in Collectors Edition?


NOPE, only the squad member + mission.


"From Ashes" has character appearances/skins "in addition to the ones in the CE".

i think it also has a weapon.



so...yeah....those "true fans" would have to shell out another $10 if they want a MORE COMPLETE experiece. ROFL. :lol:


False. It's a single download. Prothy/Eden Prime/outfits/gun all together, even for CE owners. Nice try though.

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rumbalumba wrote...

Bobrzy wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

Bobrzy wrote...

So let me get this straight - "From Ashes" DLC is INCLUDED in Collectors Edition?


Correct.


Thank you for your response.

That's great, i ordered CE last year and now i'm even more hyped for it.


again, ONLY the squadmate + mission.


the skins, weapon, etc. in "From Ashes" is not in the CE.


Stop lying. They're all in the CE.