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[MostlyAutumn]

rumbalumba wrote...

again, ONLY the squadmate + mission.

the skins, weapon, etc. in "From Ashes" is not in the CE.

Again, no, From Ashes is fully included in CE and DDE.

[Tazzmission]

Daywalker315 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

Bobrzy wrote...

So let me get this straight - "From Ashes" DLC is INCLUDED in Collectors Edition?

NOPE, only the squad member + mission.


"From Ashes" has character appearances/skins "in addition to the ones in the CE".

i think it also has a weapon.



so...yeah....those "true fans" would have to shell out another $10 if they want a MORE COMPLETE experiece. ROFL. 

False. It's a single download. Prothy/Eden Prime/outfits/gun all together, even for CE owners. Nice try though.

dont answer him the guy is oviously trolling.


its pretty sad to see people not read what mike posted

[Yuoaman]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

MasterNeo wrote...

Yeah, you're right. A living breathing entity who experienced the destruction of his race and somehow lived to tell about it isn't ultimately important. A living survivor of a race that left behind technology that imprinted itself onto Shepard's brain chemistry at the beginning of the first game, ultimately providing the reason for his importance in the first place, not important.

Really? Alright, guess we'll have to agree to disagree there.

A thousand other races were destroyed by the reapers as well. It's the point of the cycle. The only thing "special" about the protheans was the fact they were the most recent before us, and the fact they managed to build the conduit and change the keepers signals...which was all neatly tied up into a bow at the end of ME1.

The prothean beacon does not make a prothean important.

That's like saying the person who created the reapers is integral to the story because the reapers are trying to kill us. Would it be interesting to find out how the reapers began? Totally, awesome lore there. Is it integral to the plot, story, or gameplay of ME3? Not even a little bit.

In fact, everything we needed to know about the beacon was...again...covered by Vigil. Man that little VI, I miss him.

The Protheans are the only reason any of the plot occurred, if the Protheans hadn't sent that message out to the beacons and built the Conduit Mass Effect 1 would have never occurred.

[Hardwired]

Daywalker315 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

Bobrzy wrote...

So let me get this straight - "From Ashes" DLC is INCLUDED in Collectors Edition?

NOPE, only the squad member + mission.


"From Ashes" has character appearances/skins "in addition to the ones in the CE".

i think it also has a weapon.



so...yeah....those "true fans" would have to shell out another $10 if they want a MORE COMPLETE experiece. ROFL. 

False. It's a single download. Prothy/Eden Prime/outfits/gun all together, even for CE owners. Nice try though.

What he said.

[obie191970]

rumbalumba wrote...

Bobrzy wrote...

So let me get this straight - "From Ashes" DLC is INCLUDED in Collectors Edition?

NOPE, only the squad member + mission.


"From Ashes" has character appearances/skins "in addition to the ones in the CE".

i think it also has a weapon.



so...yeah....those "true fans" would have to shell out another $10 if they want a MORE COMPLETE experiece. ROFL. 

Yes, it is included - From Ashes is the squad member and mission.

[chuzo]

Let’s summarize what Bioware has done this far:

1. Spoiled the game
2. Milked the hell out of ME 3
3. Lied
4. Pissed lots of their loyal customers

Good job!

How to make things right?

1. Don’t buy / cancel preorder
2. Make sure your friend and friends of your friends etc. do the same
3. Spread the word of Bioware/EA’s unethical behavior (not that it needs any more spreading )

End of ripping of consumers, milking and dissecting of the games

Profit.

[fropas]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...
The Prothean is important because he is a GODDAMN PROTHEAN, y'know: a member of an extinct species in the Mass Effect universe... And I know for a fact that Javik is not present in the game at all unless you install the DLC, he is the only Prothean and he's not in the game otherwise.

While that is the reason that has everyone up in arms. The principle is the same whether he is a Prothean or not.
Files on the game disk that require another source to make use of makes the game incomplete. They are trying to charge us £10 more for the game we bought to make it the same version as the CE.

doesn;t that mean you save 10$? if it's the same as CE?

[Tazzmission]

MostlyAutumn wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

again, ONLY the squadmate + mission.

the skins, weapon, etc. in "From Ashes" is not in the CE.

Again, no, From Ashes is fully included in CE and DDE.

seriously read the first fn post


- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.


pay attention before you speak

[pavi132]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

blindchaos wrote...

While DLC on Day 1 always inspires questions as to whether or not the game is being dissected and sold in smaller pieces, the sudden outrage feels a tad disingenuous. The CE was announced as having a Prothen squad member. The Prothy nickname came out hours after the CE announcement.

Even if you didn't know it was a prothean, you knew there was going to be a day 1 dlc character that CE owners would already have in their purchase.

The fact that this thread did not exist in June or July when a real difference could have been made, implies that most people passively condoned Day 1 DLC when they didn't care what the species was. Now that it has been confirmed as a prothean it is a violation of gamers rights?

I'm not defending Day 1 DLC, as I find the practice troubling to say the least. However, the frequent claims that those who are not screaming and yelling at bioware are simple minded pawns feels crude and false. We all knew this was coming, either vote with your wallets or buy the DLC.

Barely anyone cared...until Totalbiscuit started this hulabaloo.

If TB never did that piece, this wouldn't be happening...not to the same degree.  His opinion is now apparently fact and anyone who says otherwise is just a "drone".  

It has nothing to do with his opinion being fact or anything. I, like many others, just wasn't aware of this until he talked about it. You are no different than those people calling others "drones" with your bull**** about TB fans accepting his opinion as fact. Get over yourself.

[AlanC9]

DJBare wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Sure, but that cat's been out of the bag for months.

For a lot of people like me who have been trying very hard to avoid details in case of spoilers it, the cat was only just let out of the bag.

IIRC it was widely talked about this summer. I can see how Bio might have felt that it's just common knowledge by now; sorry that you weren't able to get to the release without hearing it.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the original plan was for this to have been a big reveal, and it was only after the leak that Bio decided to make Prothy into the day 1 DLC rather than something else.

[AkiKishi]

Lufven1 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Wouldn't you rather have been surprised by the Prothean reveal in-game instead of it being marketed as a DLC to buy?

This, it would have been an epic moment, but now it's just "oh hey there prothy, sleep well?. lets got kick some ass"

Sure, but that cat's been out of the bag for months.

They would have announced the DLC tomorrow if it weren't for that xbox-market-fail. And don't come and say that everybody knew about it. Only people willing to invest a lot of time finding it or reading forums would. I'm not saying that it's anything wrong with that but I'm guessing 99% of the Mass Effect audience don't do that.

This has gone beyond the forums. The thing is if you could challenge them legally it would more than likely result in the delay of ME3 and I don't want hordes of people after me. Although some hotshot legal eagle could have some fun with this just in publicity terms.

[rumbalumba]

OmegaXI wrote...

Dear god people DLC is the way the gaming industry works now. One it keeps the people who make the games we love working longer. Two it is a way to add more to the product. Besides its ten bucks and you don't have to buy it.

Back on topic any word on when the trailers and images are coming out for the Day 1 DLC?

WRONG. Bioware employees work on a contractual-basis. so it's utter bullcrap if you think Bioware lays off employees after making ME3 and by doing DLC they can work longer. utter and total BS. it's in their clauses to work on a DLC, it's been planned from the start. they don't sit there and say "oh god we dont wanna lay you off therefore you need something to do for our fans". that's stupid and just false.

fact is that you're already paying $60 for a brand new, full game. and they want you to shell out $10 for a COMPLETE experiece? do they think people are so stupid and naive?

[DJBare]

sta697 wrote...

yeah that hurted the most i was carefully avoiding any spoilers,i hadn't seen the trailer but the moment i heard day 1 dlc i had to figure what's going on.besides even someone that will just go on the marketplace will see.it's just a shame they 're just screwed themshelves over devalueting this series like that

I suspect the dev who came up with the idea to add in a prothean is non too happy either, I imagine the plan, lets give the players a surprise with an epic discovery, then some screw up in marketing said hey, a way to milk the cash cow, if I had been the dev I'd have wanted to smack marketing upside the head.

Modifié par DJBare, 23 février 2012 - 07:43 .

[CDRSkyShepard]

pavi132 wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

pavi132 wrote...

What bugs me is that they were thinking about DLC before the game was even finished. To me, DLC shouldn't even be considered until the main game is complete. Otherwise, whether consciously or not, the DLC will have an impact on the development of the main game, even if the two are made by separate teams, and could even dilute the quality of the main game as a result. That is what worries me most about this. While they can tell us that one has no effect on the other, it is hard for me to believe that.

You cant finish the story then go "Oh well lets add something here about.."  they need the fore-thought while creating the base game of how everything is going to inter-connect together, not pasted on crudely at the end. 

The problem with what you're saying is that they are essentially not making a complete game if they project to have things in the game ahead of time but choose to make them DLC instead. They should focus on making a complete game in its entirety first so they don't compromise the creation by withholding certain aspects for DLC and then add DLC later that maybe answers questions fans may still have or include more lore in side missions.

They always come up with ideas to tack on to the main story while making a game. Kasumi's files are present in the main ME2 game, but her DLC wasn't done until after the game released. Jessica Merizan said herself that the DLC team has been busy coming up with ideas while the others were finishing the main game. They're add ons, probably stories they've come up with after the writing of the final drafts is already complete. I don't claim to actually know anything about it, that would just make sense to me. Maybe someone had a great idea, but not in time to include it in the actual game. I doubt anyone sits around, rubbing their hands together maniacally and thinks of ways to screw us out of our money.

People don't seem to understand that DLCs are add ons, they don't make the game "complete." If a 30 hour game with a clearly defined beginning and end isn't complete to you, I don't know what is.

[AlanC9]

Yuoaman wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

MasterNeo wrote...

Yeah, you're right. A living breathing entity who experienced the destruction of his race and somehow lived to tell about it isn't ultimately important. A living survivor of a race that left behind technology that imprinted itself onto Shepard's brain chemistry at the beginning of the first game, ultimately providing the reason for his importance in the first place, not important.

Really? Alright, guess we'll have to agree to disagree there.

A thousand other races were destroyed by the reapers as well. It's the point of the cycle. The only thing "special" about the protheans was the fact they were the most recent before us, and the fact they managed to build the conduit and change the keepers signals...which was all neatly tied up into a bow at the end of ME1.

The prothean beacon does not make a prothean important.

That's like saying the person who created the reapers is integral to the story because the reapers are trying to kill us. Would it be interesting to find out how the reapers began? Totally, awesome lore there. Is it integral to the plot, story, or gameplay of ME3? Not even a little bit.

In fact, everything we needed to know about the beacon was...again...covered by Vigil. Man that little VI, I miss him.

The Protheans are the only reason any of the plot occurred, if the Protheans hadn't sent that message out to the beacons and built the Conduit Mass Effect 1 would have never occurred.

That's true. It also doesn't conflict with what WizenSlinky0 posted. Actually, it doesn't seem to be relevant at all.

[rainasa]

hitorihanzo wrote...

Have a question. Why are people still defending BioWare? If people decide that they want to boycott this game because it violates a principle that they have, why do you care? It's not like you won't still be able to buy the game. I'm sure that there will even be a few extra copies of the CE due to this. So, why are you still here trying to change people's minds.

That was like... four questions. Sorry. Lol.

no one has any proplem with anyone boycotting the game, we simply disagree with the reasons why many people are doing so, and thus the debate.

[Calians]

Oh man..Imma be watching walkthroughs on my TV screen gonna be like a movie

[Bluumberry]

chuzo wrote...

3. Spread the word of Bioware/EA’s unethical behavior (not that it needs any more spreading )

"unethical"? Do you even know what that means?

[wrdnshprd]

still not hearing the apologists give an explanation as to how this DLC is different from the zaeed and shale dlc that was FREE regardless of version, as long as you bought the game new..

exactly why couldnt they do the same thing with this dlc?

still waiting for a response..

yeah, thats what i thought.

THIS is why people are upset. and they have every right to be.

edit:  and for those that say 'it was advertised 9 months ago'

please provide a link where bioware CONFIRMED the dlc character was a prothean..

right, there isnt one.

Modifié par wrdnshprd, 23 février 2012 - 07:46 .

[GuyIncognito21]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Which I agree with as long as the content was actually cut from the main game in its intended, retail form.

Well the word "intended" is problematic here, because you're basically saying that as long as they "intend" from the jump to hold something back, that's OK.  But if they get 75% of the way through the dev cycle and decide to rip it out, that's no good.

I don't draw that distinction.

To me, the question is simple.  In fact I posed this question to the dev who said he'd read every page, and I said I'd take his response at face value.  I've yet to see a response:

The big question for me is: in a world where they could only charge $60 for the game (i.e. no for-profit DLC, no preorder bonuses, no frills), would this content still exist?

If the answer is yes, then the DLC is cut content and a ripoff.  If the answer is no, then the DLC is not cut content and it only looks like a ripoff because the timing is so shady.

If I could get an answer to that from someone in a position to know, it would allay a lot of my concerns.

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 23 février 2012 - 07:45 .

[ArkkAngel007]

chuzo wrote...

Let’s summarize what Bioware has done this far:

1. Spoiled the game
2. Milked the hell out of ME 3
3. Lied
4. Pissed lots of their loyal customers

Good job!

How to make things right?

1. Don’t buy / cancel preorder
2. Make sure your friend and friends of your friends etc. do the same
3. Spread the word of Bioware/EA’s unethical behavior (not that it needs any more spreading )

End of ripping of consumers, milking and dissecting of the games

Profit.

1. Microsoft did that, on two occassions now.
2. How?  Through pre-order incentives?  Two of the three guns will be available at some point for everyone.  The DLC included elsewhere is already in the game, just a quicker/garunteed way to procure it.
3. They did not.
4. Hey 1 out of 4!  Good job!

[SneakiestNeg]

Annoyed. Live in two locations only have one internet access (broadband costs money over here-40 euro!). And the 360 was not build to move around.

[Tazzmission]

rumbalumba wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

Dear god people DLC is the way the gaming industry works now. One it keeps the people who make the games we love working longer. Two it is a way to add more to the product. Besides its ten bucks and you don't have to buy it.

Back on topic any word on when the trailers and images are coming out for the Day 1 DLC?

WRONG. Bioware employees work on a contractual-basis. so it's utter bullcrap if you think Bioware lays off employees after making ME3 and by doing DLC they can work longer. utter and total BS. it's in their clauses to work on a DLC, it's been planned from the start. they don't sit there and say "oh god we dont wanna lay you off therefore you need something to do for our fans". that's stupid and just false.

fact is that you're already paying $60 for a brand new, full game. and they want you to shell out $10 for a COMPLETE experiece? do they think people are so stupid and naive?

oh god seriously shut up thats the WHOLE WHOLE WHOLE FN industry!

are you seriously mentally challenged or do you just pull things out of your behind?

[rumbalumba]

Tazzmission wrote...

MostlyAutumn wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

again, ONLY the squadmate + mission.

the skins, weapon, etc. in "From Ashes" is not in the CE.

Again, no, From Ashes is fully included in CE and DDE.

seriously read the first fn post


- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">appearance for ]every [/color]squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.


pay attention before you speak

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[Daywalker315]

hitorihanzo wrote...

Have a question. Why are people still defending BioWare? If people decide that they want to boycott this game because it violates a principle that they have, why do you care? It's not like you won't still be able to buy the game. I'm sure that there will even be a few extra copies of the CE due to this. So, why are you still here trying to change people's minds.

That was like... four questions. Sorry. Lol.

Personally, I'm defending them to balance out all the people acting like they killed their first-born child. I bought the CE based on the promise that I'd get a bonus DLC and character so other people paying $10 for that optional experience doesn't seem so bad. I'm trying to make a few people change their minds about this being the end of the world because I want as many people as possible playing ME3. I love the series and I want others to enjoy it too.