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[Omega Torsk]

You guys are boring. I'm gonna go play X-box.

[AkiKishi]

MageCeridan wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Seriously?  Are you that naive?  Nothing that Bioware has done warrants legal action - It doesn't have a leg to stand on.

To prove that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.

Read more: http://www.answers.c...g#ixzz1nEgrkxpP

They are selling ME3 in two versions without indicating it on the packaging that it will cost you £10 to get the same game that the CE is, even though those files are on your disk.

Seems boarderline to me I'm going to PM the thread starter

Well it's written on the CE version what's exclusive to that version.
They don't need say the cost of the CE exclusives if they are sold alone at a later date.

(PS: they would need to disclose also the cost of the music disk, the dlc, the weapons, the art book, and whatever other thrinkets they are providing in that CE version... yet I did not need THAT to tell me that the Digital Deluxe edition was a better deal then the SE version with then me buying everything else piece by piece).

Someone said earlier it was a listed as a bonus not an exclusive. If it's an exclusive and they are trying to sell it ,thats a no, no.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 23 février 2012 - 08:00 .

[mjharper]

wrdnshprd wrote...

still not hearing the apologists give an explanation as to how this DLC is different from the zaeed and shale dlc that was FREE regardless of version, as long as you bought the game new..

exactly why couldnt they do the same thing with this dlc?

still waiting for a response..

yeah, thats what i thought.

THIS is why people are upset. and they have every right to be.

As I have said about three times in this thread, neither the Warden's Keep DLC nor the Sebastian DLC were 'free regardless of version'. Both of  those you received as part of the CE, and had to pay for if you had the SE.

So, given that this seems hard for you to grasp, I'll spell it out again: This new DLC is DIFFERENT from Zaeed and Shale because it is LIKE Warden's and Sebastian.

It is nothing new for Bioware, neither in terms of DLC nor CEs.

Sheesh.

[Raanz]

Not sure why so much outrage over this. More content designed for CE, if you didn't want to spend money on the CE, and you want the extra content, you pay for it.

As far as I am concerned, more content is only greatness for Mass Effect, but I understand that if I want something as far as a good or a service, that I have to pay for it.

[obie191970]

BobSmith101 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Seriously?  Are you that naive?  Nothing that Bioware has done warrants legal action - It doesn't have a leg to stand on.

To prove that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.

Read more: http://www.answers.c...g#ixzz1nEgrkxpP

They are selling ME3 in two versions without indicating it on the packaging that it will cost you £10 to get the same game that the CE is, even though those files are on your disk.

Seems boarderline to me I'm going to PM the thread starter

They're not selling two versions - The game discs will be exactly the same.  The difference is, the CE will include a card with a code on it so I can download the DLC for free as was advertised when the CE was announced.

Modifié par obie191970, 23 février 2012 - 08:01 .

[fropas]

Daywalker315 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

fropas wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

still not hearing the apologists give an explanation as to how this DLC is different from the zaeed and shale dlc that was FREE regardless of version, as long as you bought the game new..

exactly why couldnt they do the same thing with this dlc?

still waiting for a response..

yeah, thats what i thought.

THIS is why people are upset. and they have every right to be.

How can I answer for Bioware? It's free for me. I bought the CE, so they kind of are doing the sasme thing. . .for me.

no it's not, dufus. you paid more so you get it for free? ROFL. is that some kind of a sick joke or something?

It depends on his reasoning for buying the CE. He may have pre-ordered the CE a long time ago and didn't even know it had a bonus DLC. The value of the DLC may be the in-game items or the art book or the lithograph. He may perceive it as being free because the "worth" of the CE is established via the other items. Everyone has a different way of thinking and reasoning for buying the CE. Me, personally, I love the hoodie and robo-dog, N7 weapons, and the DLC character. The physical items hold little value to me.

I concur. I don't even look at my ME2 art book anymore, but I still use the locust (in game) and I love having the mattock and phalanx more than a tin case and a "making of ME2 disc" I love in game content, so 20$ more is no big deal to me.

[Starscream723]

rumbalumba wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

seriously read the first fn post


- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.


pay attention before you speak

in addition 

in addition 

in addition 

in addition 

Yes. Meaning the Altenate Appearances in the Ashes DLC are, as you say, in addition to those from the CE. Meaning they are the onces from the CE, plus some more. He never said they are an addition to the CE. He said they're in the Ashes DLC, and so are the ones from the CE.

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

Whether or not it is actually the case, this certainly implies that "From Ashes" includes the squadmate and mission from the CE, a weapon that may or may not be available in the CE, and some alternate appearances AS WELL as the alternate appearances from the CE.

Which would be annoying, as in the UK I'm paying a ridiculous amount (£70 = $110) and getting the bonus character and mission included... but then I either pay for those things again just to get some alternate appearances, or I miss out on them. Sucks. I hope the guys saying the whole pack is in the CE are correct, but that's certainly not supported by the initial post.

[warriorN7]

is from ashes included on the CE disc or is it a code

[CDRSkyShepard]

Lufven1 wrote...

This thread:

1. A lot of people are upset about Bioware's exploitative corporate policy

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

So far, the only people I've seen that are upset about this are people that post in this forum. I've showed TB's video to a lot of my ME friends who aren't on BSN and they all think it's a load of horse...doo. I also show it to them without saying anything about it, because I want them to make their own decisions.

My best friend said this in response to the video. "If people wanted this with their game, why didn't they just buy the CE?" Exactly, bestie...exactly.

[wrdnshprd]

Maeshone wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

still not hearing the apologists give an explanation as to how this DLC is different from the zaeed and shale dlc that was FREE regardless of version, as long as you bought the game new..

exactly why couldnt they do the same thing with this dlc?

still waiting for a response..

yeah, thats what i thought.

THIS is why people are upset. and they have every right to be.

Actually that was answered. It's because those things were ONLY free to combat used game sales. For ME3 they do this with the multiplayer pass. The Prothean was always intended as a CE bonus, not a "buy new" incentive. end of

that still doesnt explain how that dlc is different.. they can still combat used game sales by making this a 'buy new incentive' as you call it.. in fact, this discussion would be over if they did so.

also, as ive tried to ask (still no answer), provide a link where bioware confirmed the dlc was prothean back when this was first announced 9 months ago.. because i guarentee you, the BSN would have reacted the same way back then if it was.. and again, justifiably so.

[AkiKishi]

obie191970 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Seriously?  Are you that naive?  Nothing that Bioware has done warrants legal action - It doesn't have a leg to stand on.

To prove that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.

Read more: http://www.answers.c...g#ixzz1nEgrkxpP

They are selling ME3 in two versions without indicating it on the packaging that it will cost you £10 to get the same game that the CE is, even though those files are on your disk.

Seems boarderline to me I'm going to PM the thread starter

They're not selling two versions - The game discs will be exactly the same.  The difference is, the CE will include a card with a code on it so I can download the DLC for free as was advertized when the CE was announced.

Exaclty the game disks will be exactly the same only the CE package will contain the codes to complete the game the SE version will not. Two versions of the game.

[NPBAbyssal]

It is 'their' product, so they have the rights to do what they want with it...
As it says, its a 'complete' game without the DLC... Meaning its not going to effect the overlaying story outcome... There is nothing unethical about business, stop repeating totalbiscuits youtube rant...
Some people seem to be acting more because they cant find a CE edition so they complain about it costing extra with the normal copy/download... This is totally out of proportion now, just get over it people! if you want it that much, its not even that expensive for the content we shall get! Compare it to other games which cost the same with way, way less content, come on..

[rainasa]

BobSmith101 wrote...



That's not really the point. The point is that there are files on the SE disk that require £10 to complete.

Bob!!!! they did the same god damned thing with both kasumi and LotSB, it is not illegal in way, shape or form.
there are many legitimate complaints about From ashes that while I personaly disagree with, I understand why they feel the way the do and respect that, this is not one of them.

[obie191970]

warriorN7 wrote...

is from ashes included on the CE disc or is it a code

Code.

[Stenun]

To be honest, I wasn't that bothered by this DLC news at first. I just thought it was an unpleasant manifestation of our capitalist society but not hideous compared to other manifestations - just an inevitable consequence.

But then I read this sentence form the OP:
"The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase)."

So because I can't afford the CE, that makes me less of a fan?
That might not be what you meant to imply but that's how it comes across to me.

[chengthao]

Raanz wrote...

Not sure why so much outrage over this. More content designed for CE, if you didn't want to spend money on the CE, and you want the extra content, you pay for it.

As far as I am concerned, more content is only greatness for Mass Effect, but I understand that if I want something as far as a good or a service, that I have to pay for it.

and the CE got extra content . . . N7 patch, soundtrack, artbook, etc, etc . . . but to get an extra character . . . . . bad business model, but there will be enough ppl who will buy it and enough ppl who will "defend" poor business ethics that businesses will continue to strong arm consumers b/c they can

Modifié par chengthao, 23 février 2012 - 08:04 .

[RiouHotaru]

Lufven1 wrote...

This thread:

1. A lot of people are upset about Bioware's exploitative corporate policy

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Ahhh, if only that were true.  Since Mike and Casey have come out and explained otherwise, there's nothing exploitative about it.  They're releasing content that was intended to be bonus content and putting it out for both SE buyers to attain NOW, rather than waiting 30 or 60 days while the CE owners get to enjoy it first (since the CE owners get it as a part of the CE)

People are taking offense at having to buy bonus content that was worked on simply because it's coming out Day 1, content the devs purposefully pushed themselves on to get out on Day 1 so their community would NOT have to wait.  Essentially, Bioware's own attempt at generousity has mysteriously and strangely backfired in their own faces through no fault of their own.

[Mclouvins]

warriorN7 wrote...

is from ashes included on the CE disc or is it a code

It's most likely going to be a code along with codes for the other CE dlc. The disks between the CE and the SE are probably actually identical, however that is just me speculating.

[Bluumberry]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...


My best friend said this in response to the video. "If people wanted this with their game, why didn't they just buy the CE?"

Funny, mine said the exact same thing

[fropas]

warriorN7 wrote...

is from ashes included on the CE disc or is it a code

I think the CE disc is the same as the SE, so it might be on all discs and need a code to unlock, or just standard DLC.

[Calians]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

This thread:

1. A lot of people are upset about Bioware's exploitative corporate policy

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

So far, the only people I've seen that are upset about this are people that post in this forum. I've showed TB's video to a lot of my ME friends who aren't on BSN and they all think it's a load of horse...doo. I also show it to them without saying anything about it, because I want them to make their own decisions.

My best friend said this in response to the video. "If people wanted this with their game, why didn't they just buy the CE?" Exactly, bestie...exactly.

Whoa then you havent gone to 3rd party sites about this or you havent noticed the people argeeing on his video. You just ranting some B.S that doesnt give anything. Give me some good info that people outside of BSN are not mad.

[Shadowrun1177]

warriorN7 wrote...

is from ashes included on the CE disc or is it a code

Well since Bioware has said that it wasn't finished till after the game was shipped off for certifcation and all that, and it's a dlc it's safe to say no its not on the disc, but a code will be included for those with the CE to allow them to download it for free.

Modifié par Shadowrun1177, 23 février 2012 - 08:06 .

[obie191970]

BobSmith101 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Seriously?  Are you that naive?  Nothing that Bioware has done warrants legal action - It doesn't have a leg to stand on.

To prove that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.

Read more: http://www.answers.c...g#ixzz1nEgrkxpP

They are selling ME3 in two versions without indicating it on the packaging that it will cost you £10 to get the same game that the CE is, even though those files are on your disk.

Seems boarderline to me I'm going to PM the thread starter

They're not selling two versions - The game discs will be exactly the same.  The difference is, the CE will include a card with a code on it so I can download the DLC for free as was advertized when the CE was announced.

Exaclty the game disks will be exactly the same only the CE package will contain the codes to complete the game the SE version will not. Two versions of the game.

Sorry Bob, you need to pick a new arguement.  The one you've chosen is indefensible.

[AkiKishi]

rainasa wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...



That's not really the point. The point is that there are files on the SE disk that require £10 to complete.

Bob!!!! they did the same god damned thing with both kasumi and LotSB, it is not illegal in way, shape or form.
there are many legitimate complaints about From ashes that while I personaly disagree with, I understand why they feel the way the do and respect that, this is not one of them.

Was Kasumi lauch day? If she's not it's not the same thing, same with LotSB.

[TheStoner]

Raanz wrote...

Not sure why so much outrage over this. More content designed for CE, if you didn't want to spend money on the CE, and you want the extra content, you pay for it.

As far as I am concerned, more content is only greatness for Mass Effect, but I understand that if I want something as far as a good or a service, that I have to pay for it.

It's not CE content and it was never going to be. It was always going to be day 1 dlc anyone who knows about sebastian in DA2 knows that.

Modifié par TheStoner, 23 février 2012 - 08:05 .