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[Daywalker315]

Starscream723 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

seriously read the first fn post


- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.


pay attention before you speak

in addition 

in addition 

in addition 

in addition 

Yes. Meaning the Altenate Appearances in the Ashes DLC are, as you say, in addition to those from the CE. Meaning they are the onces from the CE, plus some more. He never said they are an addition to the CE. He said they're in the Ashes DLC, and so are the ones from the CE.

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

Whether or not it is actually the case, this certainly implies that "From Ashes" includes the squadmate and mission from the CE, a weapon that may or may not be available in the CE, and some alternate appearances AS WELL as the alternate appearances from the CE.

Which would be annoying, as in the UK I'm paying a ridiculous amount (£70 = $110) and getting the bonus character and mission included... but then I either pay for those things again just to get some alternate appearances, or I miss out on them. Sucks. I hope the guys saying the whole pack is in the CE are correct, but that's certainly not supported by the initial post.

From Ashes = one download with everything together. Therefore, CE will get everything in From Ashes, not just the character. That help?

[RiouHotaru]

Stenun wrote...

To be honest, I wasn't that bothered by this DLC news at first. I just thought it was an unpleasant manifestation of our capitalist society but not hideous compared to other manifestations - just an inevitable consequence.

But then I read this sentence form the OP:
"The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase)."

So because I can't afford the CE, that makes me less of a fan?
That might not be what you meant to imply but that's how it comes across to me.

Nope, the operative phease is "the version fans would be LIKELY to purchase".  That doesn't exclude the possibility of people buying the SE version.  They simply realize the CE version is in limited quantities.  Hence their push to have From Ashes available to everyone else on day 1.

[OmegaXI]

*eats popcorn*
*thinks of pre-ordered CE*
*smiles*
*eats popcorn*

[ArkkAngel007]

Daywalker315 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

fropas wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

still not hearing the apologists give an explanation as to how this DLC is different from the zaeed and shale dlc that was FREE regardless of version, as long as you bought the game new..

exactly why couldnt they do the same thing with this dlc?

still waiting for a response..

yeah, thats what i thought.

THIS is why people are upset. and they have every right to be.

How can I answer for Bioware? It's free for me. I bought the CE, so they kind of are doing the sasme thing. . .for me.

no it's not, dufus. you paid more so you get it for free? ROFL. is that some kind of a sick joke or something?

It depends on his reasoning for buying the CE. He may have pre-ordered the CE a long time ago and didn't even know it had a bonus DLC. The value of the DLC may be the in-game items or the art book or the lithograph. He may perceive it as being free because the "worth" of the CE is established via the other items. Everyone has a different way of thinking and reasoning for buying the CE. Me, personally, I love the hoodie and robo-dog, N7 weapons, and the DLC character. The physical items hold little value to me.

There was a response.  This was like the Warden's Keep DLC exclusive to DA: Origins CE.  I don't know if it was ever made available separate, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't free if it was.  And after all, the Grey Warden's were central to the game and that was what that DLC was about...

I don't agree with the concept of Day 1 DLC, especially if we have to pay for it, but this is still one huge hyperbole of a situation.

[Daywalker315]

warriorN7 wrote...

is from ashes included on the CE disc or is it a code

Download code.

[Calians]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

warriorN7 wrote...

is from ashes included on the CE disc or is it a code

Well since Bioware has that it wasn't finished till after the game was shipped off for certifcation and all that, and it's a dlc it's safe to say no its not on the disc, but a code will be included for those with the CE to allow them to download it for free.

What if their lying? www.youtube.com/watch

[CDRSkyShepard]

Bluumberry wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...


My best friend said this in response to the video. "If people wanted this with their game, why didn't they just buy the CE?"

Funny, mine said the exact same thing

*High fives for besties!*

[Calians]

TheStoner wrote...

Raanz wrote...

Not sure why so much outrage over this. More content designed for CE, if you didn't want to spend money on the CE, and you want the extra content, you pay for it.

As far as I am concerned, more content is only greatness for Mass Effect, but I understand that if I want something as far as a good or a service, that I have to pay for it.

It's not CE content and it was never going to be. It was always going to be day 1 dlc anyone who knows about sebastian in DA2 knows that.

yeaahh

[rumbalumba]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

This thread:

1. A lot of people are upset about Bioware's exploitative corporate policy

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

So far, the only people I've seen that are upset about this are people that post in this forum. I've showed TB's video to a lot of my ME friends who aren't on BSN and they all think it's a load of horse...doo. I also show it to them without saying anything about it, because I want them to make their own decisions.

My best friend said this in response to the video. "If people wanted this with their game, why didn't they just buy the CE?" Exactly, bestie...exactly.

you mean your imaginary friend? okay...


also, if you actually read the comments in TB's video they don't think it's a lot of horse...so...

it's just you and your imaginary friends.

[Mitsuki_Ketsueko]

I have a question.

Is Mass Effect worth all this?

[rainasa]

Calians wrote...

Whoa then you havent gone to 3rd party sites about this or you havent noticed the people argeeing on his video. You just ranting some B.S that doesnt give anything. Give me some good info that people outside of BSN are not mad.

using these examples is like claiming the polls on fox news are not only accurate but are a clear representation of what every citizen in america wants.

[Calians]

Mitsuki_Ketsueko wrote...

I have a question.

Is Mass Effect worth all this?

Not anymore my friend

[SneakiestNeg]

I just hope XBOX live is stable on the day that I get my game. If I get a errror code go F yourself page I will scream.

[Texhnolyze101]

legion999 wrote...

Eden Prime. One step to finding the conduit and a surviving prothean? Or is it just a return to where it began? Interesting.

^ I see what you did there

[henh2o]

I just canceled my order on amazon! woot! I will not support this! They made dlc for ME2 ending that greatly affected the lore and I watched youtube for that instead of buying it which is acceptable because it is DLC but having content already made or planned but withdrawn for release for DLC $$$ is unacceptable! Time to get my me3 fix in another way wink! 

[Lufven1]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

This thread:

1. A lot of people are upset about Bioware's exploitative corporate policy

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Ahhh, if only that were true.  Since Mike and Casey have come out and explained otherwise, there's nothing exploitative about it.  They're releasing content that was intended to be bonus content and putting it out for both SE buyers to attain NOW, rather than waiting 30 or 60 days while the CE owners get to enjoy it first (since the CE owners get it as a part of the CE)

People are taking offense at having to buy bonus content that was worked on simply because it's coming out Day 1, content the devs purposefully pushed themselves on to get out on Day 1 so their community would NOT have to wait.  Essentially, Bioware's own attempt at generousity has mysteriously and strangely backfired in their own faces through no fault of their own.

Honestly, if they would have waited for a month or two, this wouldn't be happening. The fact that this IS day one DLC is an issue. Everyone HATES day one DLC because of obvious reasons

[Jdepp]

I've yet to preorder the game, although I figure as a long time player I'd grab the basic version soon as it's out. Play through it as a Paragon, play through as a renegade, -then- I consider dropping extra cash for a bit more variety.

Mass effect's appeal is the replayabilty. As another class, gender, attitude, or squad. While I don't agree with releasing this content alongside a price tag aside from including it if you bought the game new, like ME2 had, I can see the business reason in it.

Am I disappointed? A bit. That's not going to stop many from buying the game, playing through it, then making a judgement after if they want to shell out some extra cash, By then perhaps the price of the DLC will fall or get bundled with more goodies, further prolonging the life of the game.

It's day 1 dlc, but it's not going anywhere. I'd rather be interested in the game for as long as possible then be sated after one go knowing there's not much difference the next time I play.

[Mitsuki_Ketsueko]

Calians wrote...

Mitsuki_Ketsueko wrote...

I have a question.

Is Mass Effect worth all this?

Not anymore my friend

Was it worth it in the first place?

[Exia001]

Mitsuki_Ketsueko wrote...

I have a question.

Is Mass Effect worth all this?

Worth the game, yes

Worth the partizan divide no

[CDRSkyShepard]

Calians wrote...

Whoa then you havent gone to 3rd party sites about this or you havent noticed the people argeeing on his video. You just ranting some B.S that doesnt give anything. Give me some good info that people outside of BSN are not mad.

These are people who don't post on gaming forums of any kind, that's my point. These are people that represent the general population of gamers and ME fans, not just the ones that spend time talking about it in forums of one kind or another.

I don't post on other gaming forums because this one is already maddening enough. Don't need more of it.

[Stenun]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Stenun wrote...

To be honest, I wasn't that bothered by this DLC news at first. I just thought it was an unpleasant manifestation of our capitalist society but not hideous compared to other manifestations - just an inevitable consequence.

But then I read this sentence form the OP:
"The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase)."

So because I can't afford the CE, that makes me less of a fan?
That might not be what you meant to imply but that's how it comes across to me.

Nope, the operative phease is "the version fans would be LIKELY to purchase".  That doesn't exclude the possibility of people buying the SE version.  They simply realize the CE version is in limited quantities.  Hence their push to have From Ashes available to everyone else on day 1.

Thank you, I can read.  

The inclusion of the word "likely" does not lessen the sentence - it just means that they think the most likely situation is that fans buy the CE while the, um, "non-fans" buy the SE (why would "non-fans" even be buying the third game of a series anyway?).  Which is clearly nonsense - "fans" are just as likely to buy either version.

[Calians]

Mitsuki_Ketsueko wrote...

Calians wrote...

Mitsuki_Ketsueko wrote...

I have a question.

Is Mass Effect worth all this?

Not anymore my friend

Was it worth it in the first place?

Before all this? yes. now? no

[Raanz]

chengthao wrote...

Raanz wrote...

Not sure why so much outrage over this. More content designed for CE, if you didn't want to spend money on the CE, and you want the extra content, you pay for it.

As far as I am concerned, more content is only greatness for Mass Effect, but I understand that if I want something as far as a good or a service, that I have to pay for it.

and the CE got extra content . . . N7 patch, soundtrack, artbook, etc, etc . . . but to get an extra character . . . . . bad business model, but there will be enough ppl who will buy it and enough ppl who will "defend" poor business ethics that businesses will continue to strong arm consumers b/c they can

Hmmm.  Your view is noted, but sounds too much like you feel entitled to a product just because it has Mass Effect 3 attached to it and it is being released the same day as the game.

We, as consumers are not "entitled" to anything.  That is what is great about a capitalist society.  If you don't like how they sell their product, you can easily NOT BUY IT. 

No one is being cheated in this case.  You paid for a regular edition of the game, which means that you are to receive the game, bare bones.   Hey, they have some more content that you could enjoy if you want but it will cost you $10 US dollars.  No need to buy it to complete the story but maybe you would enjoy it.   If you think it's too much money, you don't buy it.

How dare this company charge for their work! How dare you sirs!

[ForceXev]

I just hope enough people respond to this with their wallets and not just forum posts. Boycott is a strong word, and it's hard for any of us to commit to that when we're all excited to play ME3. But you don't have to boycott it completely. Just make the decision to wait a while. Find another game to play for a few weeks in March. Even if people just put off buying the game for a little while, their initial sales figures might be a bit lower than they anticipated and it will send a message. And the message will be in the only language EA understands: money.