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[Genshie]

rumbalumba wrote...

what a bunch of bullcrap.

"the DLC is developed by a separate team after the game was finished"
- sorry, but no one believes you.

How is that not a reasonable response. The same thing happened for Kasumi and her dlc as well as Lair of the Shadow Broker. Dialogue was there content wasn't cause it wasn't made as of yet.

[Tazzmission]

can people ever be happy honestly?


current actions from fans protesting against this makes me really depressed

[nevar00]

Another thing that worries me is the fact that the Bioware team apparently thought that having a Prothean in the game wasn't important enough to be more than DLC.

...right.

I hope that doesn't say something about the quality of the story and writing in the third game.

Modifié par nevar00, 22 février 2012 - 11:51 .

[El Ejcovero]

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

I fear most people aren't willing to accept the fact that BioWare is in the wrong.

[Draconis6666]

nevar00 wrote...

felipejiraya wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

felipejiraya wrote...

God, so much whining.

Don't like it don't buy it, it's simple.

The game itself isn't the issue here, it's that a major part of the lore is being taken out because they feel like shaking their players down for more money.

We don't know the impact that the prothean squadmate will have on the game or it's story. 

...It's a damn Prothean, it sure as hell better have an impact on the story.

Let's go back and take Legion out of ME 2; is the game still playable?  Yes, but you miss out on a huge amount of lore and important information on the Geth.

Wether it was done by a different team or not is pretty irrelevant: the fact is you have a Prothean here who isn't going to be in everyone's playthrough.  This isn't a throwaway character like Zaeed or Kasumi who could easily be used as DLC.  This has a huge impact on the lore of the Mass Effect universe, even if you can beat the game without it.  And the fact that it has been completed before the game has been sold and yet people are still expected to pay an extra $10 to get the complete game is utterly rediculous.  Make it a free downloadable if you couldn't get it on the disc (although apparently some of the dialouge is in the demo already) and package it with the new game if you must: but selling this is just insulting.  Might as well have taken Legion, the level on the Collector Ship, and most of the talk with Virgil in the first game all out and sold if off as DLC.  

This is all your opinoin on that he should have an impact on the story though, my opinion is that i see no reason he should be any more important than any other random character. I dont agree that Legion was actualy importantn to the plot of ME 2. Yeah youd have missed a whole lot of important Lore on the Geth, important lore on the geth that was totaly irrelevant to the plot of ME 2 that no one would even realize they missed if it never existed at all. Likewise most of the lore around the protheans could easily be cut completely and it would not significantly impact the overall plot. The collectors being protheans could simply be removed from the game and it woudl change almost nothing.

[BatmanPWNS]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

If he's not pivitol to the plot his inclusion is utterly pointless.

You know that's the excuse people used when they say Tali/Garrus shouldn't be a squadmate but Prothean being here for no reason is ok in their book.

[PaulSX]

Solgineer wrote...

I'm not bothered that the CE edition is getting an exclusive character, but I AM bothered it is a Prothean. If it were some human merc like Zaeed or Kasumi then woop de doo, keep him. But a Prothean is important to the story, and it is taking out a chunk of it.

I was OK with CE exclusive character too until it was revealed as a prothean. To be honest, Sebastian in DAII is still tolerable for me because that is just a minor character but in ME3 this is a character totally cut from script.

[GnusmasTHX]

Sounds awesome.

[Genshie]

redsox95MB wrote...

DJBare wrote...

15,024 likes, 583 dislikes
It's not the figure, it's the margin.

Implying that everyone who's buying ME3 watched that video.

And that everyone who liked the vid will actually boycott ME3.

Ha. Good luck with that.

Random TB fan: YEAH TB I SUPPORT YOUR AWSOME SAUCE BOYCOTT!!
*March 6 Midnight release* Same fan: OH BOY I CAN'T WAIT TO GET MY ME3 COPY!!

[Draconis6666]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

I fear most people aren't willing to accept the fact that BioWare is in the wrong.

Both sides are, for different reasons.

[Yuoaman]

The fact is that the Prothean squad mate is ABSOLUTELY FREAKING HUGE in terms of Mass Effect lore, yet Bioware is charging you money. Imagine if they removed something less important, like Tali or Garrus, from the game and charged you $10 for it.

There would be rioting in the damned streets.

[Daywalker315]

neubourn wrote...

LucretoDrakor wrote...


People who paid for something already aren't going to complain about it they know what their getting and their willing to reward EA, and bioware for their business practices that is ruining gaming every friggen moment they put out dlc like this... I wouldn't be whineing nor anyone else if it was part of the game regardless of edition, I don't even care about the other bells and whistles that the editions give but it should be just cosmetic things and weapons not an entire character and mission that they believe they couldn't add to the main game for whatever reason.   I seriously can't see some "other team" saying hey lets stick in a prothean for the heck of it and not tie it in at all with the main story.

then you are free to not purchase it. Thats how it works. But if you think it DOES add value, then why shouldnt non-CE players be forced to purchase content they believe adds value to their game?

To look at it another way...look at the ME2 Collector's edition. It came with Collector's Armor and AR. Yes, it was developed in conjunction with the game, since it was avaliable "Day 1." But, as you said...people dont "Care about the other bells and whistles"

So, if you dont "care" about other extras like cosmetic stuff, then you wont purchase it. Yet, people are raging because BW develops content that people DO care about, like Eden Prime mission and Prothean, yet rage when they are expected to PAY for content they DO care about? Thats ridiculous.

Basically, you guys are saying you are OK with content being exclusive to CE's so long as that content is crap and stuff you dont wanna buy anyway. But heaven forbid if BW actually makes content you DO want to own, but asks you to pay for it.

Perfect. Couldn't have said it better myself. "The CE people paid $20 extra and a lot of them probably did it in large part due to the bonus character. Screw em, I want mine for free or PRE-ORDER CANCELLED!"

[El Ejcovero]

Tazzmission wrote...

can people ever be happy honestly?


current actions from fans protesting against this makes me really depressed

With this?

Nope.

[Ryzaki]

RiouHotaru wrote...
I won't disagree that it's a wonderful thing to have something that adds to the main plot in terms of understanding.  Do I believe that it's critical and vital if the game's plot has the ability to be understood without the added depth?  No.

So you're right, we disagree.  I also think people are putting far too much importance on one character.

See to me without that understanding act 3 felt adrupt so yeah I felt it was a big deal.

I don't blame them.  I think this was a s*** move on BW's part. Tin ****** should've been the DLC.

[Tazzmission]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

I fear most people aren't willing to accept the fact that BioWare is in the wrong.

your a tool if you really believe that.


so you expect someones hard work just be free right because thats how you see the world?

Modifié par Tazzmission, 22 février 2012 - 11:53 .

[DJBare]

Genshie wrote...
You know that if TB never made this video most of this ****ing/complaining wouldn't even exist? This is mob mentality at its finest. I am not saying it is wrong I just find it hilarious. Because TB made obvious mistakes in the video and is clearly flustered.

Whether it's mob mentality or not, it's damaging, 15,000 people will be telling their friends and family, if we take an average of 3 per and just one of those taking up the "mob mentality" it's just be doubled to 30,000, it does not matter whether you think mob mentality is wrong, it's still damaging.

Modifié par DJBare, 22 février 2012 - 11:53 .

[Paragon Auducan]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

People aren't moaning because there is an exclusive DLC character, but because that DLC character is or at least should be pivitol to the plot.

If he's not pivitol to the plot his inclusion is utterly pointless.

A DLC IS NEVER PIVOTAL TO THE PLOT.
That would defy the meaning of DLC.

That's the point, a character of his background SHOULD be pivitol to the plot.

[rumbalumba]

Common sense; Make it free

EA/BioWare sense; Charge 10 bucks for it, Day 1

[Wardka]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Then what did I pay for? A bunch of new guns, AA packs, a robodog, a digital soundtrack, an art book, etc? I bought the CE thinking, "Dang! I got a bang for my buck because I get this superficial stuff AND a DLC character! Cool!" You make him available to everyone, you take away one of the biggest reasons I bought the CE in the first place. He was advertised as being part of the CE, you can't expect BioWare to go back on themselves and go, "Just kidding guys, that guy we were gonna include as part of the CE? Yeah, everyone can have him now!"

You tell me?

I'm not clamoring for this to be changed so everyone gets it for free, because I'm well aware that Bioware under EA would never do that. EA's entire business model revolves around DLC. I'm saying that I find this business practice disgusting, and that I feel for everyone that got the raw end of this deal - which I believe includes you. I think that you paid for what should've been given to you for free, and I'm sad that people are so willing to let EA push them around.

[Atakuma]

Tazzmission wrote...

can people ever be happy honestly?


current actions from fans protesting against this makes me really depressed

Why should anyone be happy about this?

[Paragon Auducan]

Tazzmission wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

I fear most people aren't willing to accept the fact that BioWare is in the wrong.

your a tool if you really believe that.


so you expect someones hard work just be free right because thats how you see the world?

That work was done during development and should be part of the $60 game.

[CDRSkyShepard]

N7Infernox wrote...

The rest of the CE is WELL worth the $20. I'd pay for it right now if I could.

I agree with you on that, but here's the thing...if you essentially take Prothy away from being a CE incentive, then my $20 has less weight to it. I get less bang for my buck, you see?

Then there's the whole point of he was supposed to be the CE's DLC character from the beginning, and I went in knowing this. 
It was advertised as something I would get special for my pre-order and purchase of the CE. Making it available to everyone would be backtracking on something they promised to give the CE people as an incentive (granted, one of many).

[rumbalumba]

Tazzmission wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

I fear most people aren't willing to accept the fact that BioWare is in the wrong.

your a tool if you really believe that.


so you expect someones hard work just be free right because thats how you see the world?

no, but we expect to spend $60 on a complete game, not a game that lacks one squadmate+mission.

big difference, my friend.

[Marionetten]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

Just like how Baldur's Gate would have been a complete game without Imoen. Or Jade Empire without Black Whirlwild. How about Mass Effect without Wrex, would you consider that complete too?

You can keep saying it but that doesn't make it true. Belittling your fanbase with more petty lies is not going to remedy this situation.