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[DJBare]

I don't care about day 1 DLC, it's business
I don't care about the $10 charge, it's business
I do care about an important character they literally turned into an inconsequential side quest.

[TheHeeyyy]

(repost since my thread was locked)

As many of you know, there has been some controversy in regards to Mass Effect 3's "From Ashes" day 1 DLC, which includes a new character and mission. Some people feel that Bioware is unfairly charging people (excluding those who bought the collector's edition) for this extra content, especially since games like Dragon Age Origins (Shale) and Mass Effect 2 (Zaeed) had day 1 DLC for free. For Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 2, the free day 1 DLC was used for EA's "Project $10", where games published by EA include a code for free DLC that would have to be purchased for $10 if the game is bought used. For Mass Effect 3, the online multiplayer will be used as the "Project $10" feature. Some people don't care about Mass Effect 3's online multiplayer, and would have rather had the "From Ashes" DLC included for free instead.

So my idea is that people should get the option to choose which content they want for free: either the "From Ashes" DLC, or the online multiplayer. Players get to pick whichever free content they prefer (with the option of buying the other content in the future), and EA/Bioware get to keep their "Project $10" feature to discourage used game purchases. Seems like a win/win to me, even though such an option being implemented this late seems extremely unlikely.

Does anyone else think this is a good idea?

[Niemack Saarinen]

OmegaXI wrote...

*eats popcorn*
*thinks of pre-ordered CE*
*smiles*
*eats popcorn*

*thinks fondly of his own pre-ordered CE*
*steals some of Omega's popcorn to share in the moment* 

[CDRSkyShepard]

rumbalumba wrote...

you mean your imaginary friend? okay...


also, if you actually read the comments in TB's video they don't think it's a lot of horse...so...

it's just you and your imaginary friends.

Woah, man, just because I have a life outside the internet doesn't mean they're imaginary. Nice try, though.

[Calians]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Calians wrote...

Whoa then you havent gone to 3rd party sites about this or you havent noticed the people argeeing on his video. You just ranting some B.S that doesnt give anything. Give me some good info that people outside of BSN are not mad.

These are people who don't post on gaming forums of any kind, that's my point. These are people that represent the general population of gamers and ME fans, not just the ones that spend time talking about it in forums of one kind or another.

I don't post on other gaming forums because this one is already maddening enough. Don't need more of it.

Represent the majority? Are you kidding me? woow...someone hand me a bag

[Bluumberry]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

There was a response.  This was like the Warden's Keep DLC exclusive to DA: Origins CE.  I don't know if it was ever made available separate, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't free if it was.  And after all, the Grey Warden's were central to the game and that was what that DLC was about...

I don't agree with the concept of Day 1 DLC, especially if we have to pay for it, but this is still one huge hyperbole of a situation.

Warden's Keep was available later for 560 BW points and while it holds some value, it is not essential. Personally if I could I'd wipe my memory of ever playing it since it ruined the whole concept of "Warden's don't take part in politics".

[WizenSlinky0]

Yuoaman wrote...

The Protheans are the only reason any of the plot occurred, if the Protheans hadn't sent that message out to the beacons and built the Conduit Mass Effect 1 would have never occurred.

Completely true. And although someone already rose up to point this out, that doesn't contradict anything I said.

The protheans were critical to ME1s plot. They are irrelevent to both ME2 and ME3. You can think about the games much like you would a series of novels. In this context the protheans make sense as a spin-off novel (a la DLC) that goes deeper into their backgrounds, but because it's entirely irrelevent to the overall story at this point they aren't "required" or "neccessary" or "hugely important" to the story of ME3. They are at this point entirely irrelevent (so far as we're aware. I'm sure any good writer could write their importance back in, but that would dwelve too far into attempting to dictate the story Bioware tells).

The fact it's a prothean is just being used as an excuse and a mask to attack Day1 DLC, which mind you, I'm not in any way defending or attacking with these posts.

The protheans are not important, critical, or in anyway relevent to ME3. To the mass effect universe and the lore? Yes. To the story, plot, and gameplay of ME3? No.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 23 février 2012 - 08:17 .

[obie191970]

Mitsuki_Ketsueko wrote...

I have a question.

Is Mass Effect worth all this?

Yes, Mass Effect is worth every penny of it.

[rumbalumba]

Daywalker315 wrote...



From Ashes = one download with everything together. Therefore, CE will get everything in From Ashes, not just the character. That help?

you are either blind or illiterate.

From Ashes has skins/characters that are NOT in the CE. that's why it says "in addition" to the ones advertised in the CE. the only thing that was verified to be BOTH in the DLC and CE is the squadmate + mission. the weapon, they did not elaborate, but the skins/appearances clearly says "in addition" to the ones in the CE. meaning, if you get the CE, and you get the From Ashes, you have TWO sets of skins.

good gawd i didnt know reading comprehension escapes some people.

[Daywalker315]

Calians wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

warriorN7 wrote...

is from ashes included on the CE disc or is it a code

Well since Bioware has that it wasn't finished till after the game was shipped off for certifcation and all that, and it's a dlc it's safe to say no its not on the disc, but a code will be included for those with the CE to allow them to download it for free.

What if their lying?

What if they're not?

[Shadowrun1177]

Calians wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

warriorN7 wrote...

is from ashes included on the CE disc or is it a code

Well since Bioware has that it wasn't finished till after the game was shipped off for certifcation and all that, and it's a dlc it's safe to say no its not on the disc, but a code will be included for those with the CE to allow them to download it for free.

What if their lying? www.youtube.com/watch

Well I'm not gonna get into the whole debate about when this whole dlc was finsihed if it was before or after the main game was sent off that's been going on, just answering warriorN7's question about if it's on the disk or not and using what Bioware has said about it being finished after the game was sent out for certification and production to answer it. 

[Exia001]

*Thinks about his CE*

*Joins in popcorn eating*

[ArkkAngel007]

Bluumberry wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

There was a response.  This was like the Warden's Keep DLC exclusive to DA: Origins CE.  I don't know if it was ever made available separate, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't free if it was.  And after all, the Grey Warden's were central to the game and that was what that DLC was about...

I don't agree with the concept of Day 1 DLC, especially if we have to pay for it, but this is still one huge hyperbole of a situation.

Warden's Keep was available later for 560 BW points and while it holds some value, it is not essential. Personally if I could I'd wipe my memory of ever playing it since it ruined the whole concept of "Warden's don't take part in politics".

In which the Prothean is not essential as well to the game, which was the point.  Maybe it's important to us who are fans, but it isn't important for the game itself or how we enjoy it.  As said, if BioWare dropped him altogether, then we wouldn't have been any of the wiser, except for those who read the pre-development script.

[Buri]

Why is the DLC not part of the digital deluxe edition? It costs exactly the same as the collector's edition yet has less worthwhile content than it. What're you trying to pull here? This is absurd. Skipping this purchase and telling all my friends to do so.

The Digital Deluxe edition with Prothean DLC costs $90 USD. The Collector's is $80. While the standard edition with the DLC is $70. If piracy were legal I'd tell all my friends to do that instead.

[MageCeridan]

BobSmith101 wrote...

MageCeridan wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Seriously?  Are you that naive?  Nothing that Bioware has done warrants legal action - It doesn't have a leg to stand on.

To prove that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.

Read more: http://www.answers.c...g#ixzz1nEgrkxpP

They are selling ME3 in two versions without indicating it on the packaging that it will cost you £10 to get the same game that the CE is, even though those files are on your disk.

Seems boarderline to me I'm going to PM the thread starter

Well it's written on the CE version what's exclusive to that version.
They don't need say the cost of the CE exclusives if they are sold alone at a later date.

(PS: they would need to disclose also the cost of the music disk, the dlc, the weapons, the art book, and whatever other thrinkets they are providing in that CE version... yet I did not need THAT to tell me that the Digital Deluxe edition was a better deal then the SE version with then me buying everything else piece by piece).

Someone said earlier it was a listed as a bonus not an exclusive. If it's an exclusive and they are trying to sell it ,thats a no, no.

Ah, misspoken sorry, I ment bonus not exclusive

[fropas]

rumbalumba wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...



From Ashes = one download with everything together. Therefore, CE will get everything in From Ashes, not just the character. That help?

you are either blind or illiterate.

From Ashes has skins/characters that are NOT in the CE. that's why it says "in addition" to the ones advertised in the CE. the only thing that was verified to be BOTH in the DLC and CE is the squadmate + mission. the weapon, they did not elaborate, but the skins/appearances clearly says "in addition" to the ones in the CE. meaning, if you get the CE, and you get the From Ashes, you have TWO sets of skins.

good gawd i didnt know reading comprehension escapes some people.

Does not compute.

[Ar7emis]

Michael Gamble wrote...
The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

*Snorts with scornful derision.*

[Raanz]

TheStoner wrote...

It's not CE content and it was never going to be. It was always going to be day 1 dlc anyone who knows about sebastian in DA2 knows that.

Even if it was, what does it matter.  It's EXTRA content that they had folks working on that they are selling.  Why do you feel entitled to it?  Because it's being released on the same day as the game?

Let me put it this way.   Let's say that Dodge produces a Challenger.  They tell you you can pre-order one...just a basic one.  You can also pre-order a tricked out one with lot's of cool stuff.
Right before the car is rolled off of the assembly line, Dodge tells you that the day the car is available you can order a cool 47" flat panel monitor that slips right into the roof of this baby, for $2000 more.  But for the people that ordered the tricked out version that cost them $2000 to begin with, they are going to throw it in for no extra charge.  Do you see something wrong with that?

[RiouHotaru]

Stenun wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Stenun wrote...

To be honest, I wasn't that bothered by this DLC news at first. I just thought it was an unpleasant manifestation of our capitalist society but not hideous compared to other manifestations - just an inevitable consequence.

But then I read this sentence form the OP:
"The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase)."

So because I can't afford the CE, that makes me less of a fan?
That might not be what you meant to imply but that's how it comes across to me.

Nope, the operative phease is "the version fans would be LIKELY to purchase".  That doesn't exclude the possibility of people buying the SE version.  They simply realize the CE version is in limited quantities.  Hence their push to have From Ashes available to everyone else on day 1.

Thank you, I can read.  

The inclusion of the word "likely" does not lessen the sentence - it just means that they think the most likely situation is that fans buy the CE while the, um, "non-fans" buy the SE (why would "non-fans" even be buying the third game of a series anyway?).  Which is clearly nonsense - "fans" are just as likely to buy either version.

But who is more likely to buy the CE, though?  Someone who's been a long-time fan of the series, or some gamer who has heard good things about Mass Effect 3?

[rainasa]

Buri wrote...

Why is the DLC not part of the digital deluxe edition? It costs exactly the same as the collector's edition yet has less worthwhile content than it. What're you trying to pull here? This is absurd. Skipping this purchase and telling all my friends to do so.

The Digital Deluxe edition with Prothean DLC costs $90 USD. The Collector's is $80. While the standard edition with the DLC is $70. If piracy were legal I'd tell all my friends to do that instead.

actually it is part of it, so have no fear.

[AkiKishi]

Mitsuki_Ketsueko wrote...

I have a question.

Is Mass Effect worth all this?

Good question. Ideally this will lead to changes like having the box show that you need to pay extra for any content unlockable as day 1 DLC.

That full disclosure strikes me as both honest advertising and fair business practice.

[fropas]

Buri wrote...

Why is the DLC not part of the digital deluxe edition? It costs exactly the same as the collector's edition yet has less worthwhile content than it. What're you trying to pull here? This is absurd. Skipping this purchase and telling all my friends to do so.

The Digital Deluxe edition with Prothean DLC costs $90 USD. The Collector's is $80. While the standard edition with the DLC is $70. If piracy were legal I'd tell all my friends to do that instead.

Both the CE and DDE come with free codes to this DLC. . . calm down.

http://pc.gamespy.co.../1219254p1.html

"Digital Deluxe Edition buyers will snag Shepard's supposedly extinct BFF as a "free" (read: $20) perk of ultra-fandom, but everyone else will have to fork over a few extra credits."

Modifié par fropas, 23 février 2012 - 08:21 .

[Taleroth]

Buri wrote...

Why is the DLC not part of the digital deluxe edition?

It is. Origin just lists it in a stupid place. N7 Arsenal Pack

[obie191970]

Buri wrote...

Why is the DLC not part of the digital deluxe edition? It costs exactly the same as the collector's edition yet has less worthwhile content than it. What're you trying to pull here? This is absurd. Skipping this purchase and telling all my friends to do so.

The Digital Deluxe edition with Prothean DLC costs $90 USD. The Collector's is $80. While the standard edition with the DLC is $70. If piracy were legal I'd tell all my friends to do that instead.

From Ashes is included in the digital deluxe version.