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[bennyjammin79]

[rainasa]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Good question. Ideally this will lead to changes like having the box show that you need to pay extra for any content unlockable as day 1 DLC.

That full disclosure strikes me as both honest advertising and fair business practice.

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For the love of..... BobSmith101, you have been proven wrong by many people in this tread and yet you coninue to say the same thing over and over again. Bioware has. done. nothing. illegal. there are many legitimate complaints and issues being discused in this thread please keep your misinformed legal knowledge to yourself or post it in a diffrent thread to be deleted.

[Taleroth]

Mitsuki_Ketsueko wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Mitsuki_Ketsueko wrote...

I have a question.

Is Mass Effect worth all this?

Yes, Mass Effect is worth every penny of it.

Is it?

I paid 10 bucks for ME1. Didn't think much of it.

Paid 10 bucks for ME2. Didn't think much of it until I finished it.

After all this, I'm not thinking much on this series anymore, period.

"Anymore?" You never did.

Some people have a different opinion. Growing out of egocentricism is an important stage in childhood development.

[LonnyG]

This is getting out of hand damn.. But if Bioware would say now oke we are gonna turn things back. It's gonna be CE exclusive only. Then all you people that are now crying about that you have to pay for something that is EXTRA! Would be crying why that they have to wait for something that CE edition's have... This DLC would have bin there eventually for everyone after a while, so be happy that you may have it earlier!!

[Hardwired]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

*eats popcorn*
*thinks of pre-ordered CE*
*smiles*
*eats popcorn*

*thinks fondly of his own pre-ordered CE*
*steals some of Omega's popcorn to share in the moment* 

*opens another bag*
Keep it we are going to need more before this tread ends

*eats pop corn*

Yes, we get it. You don't care.

Wasn't funny the first time.

*throws a piece of popcorn at Hardwired*

Lighten up. It's just a game.

Ok. That was kinda funny. Made me smile at any rate.

[obie191970]

Mitsuki_Ketsueko wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Mitsuki_Ketsueko wrote...

I have a question.

Is Mass Effect worth all this?

Yes, Mass Effect is worth every penny of it.

Is it?

I paid 10 bucks for ME1. Didn't think much of it.

Paid 10 bucks for ME2. Didn't think much of it until I finished it.

After all this, I'm not thinking much on this series anymore, period.

If it's not your thing, then so be it and it may not be worth it.  Personally, I love the series.

[Starscream723]

Daywalker315 wrote...

From Ashes = one download with everything together. Therefore, CE will get everything in From Ashes, not just the character. That help?

Possibly. Forgive me if I haven't trawled through 175 pages of this topic, but how do you know this? Was the leak on XBL the file for the "From Ashes" download? If so, doesn't that just indicate that yes, "From Ashes" is one download file? I'm not sure that it indicates that this is the SAME single file as the one you would get with the CE. As I said in my previous post, and as the poster I quote below points out in his/her rather less... polite way, Michael Gamble's post certainly indicates that there is content in the "From Ashes" file that is additional to what you get with the CE.

rumbalumba wrote...
you are either blind or illiterate.

From Ashes has skins/characters that are NOT in the CE. that's why it says "in addition" to the ones advertised in the CE. the only thing that was verified to be BOTH in the DLC and CE is the squadmate + mission. the weapon, they did not elaborate, but the skins/appearances clearly says "in addition" to the ones in the CE. meaning, if you get the CE, and you get the From Ashes, you have TWO sets of skins.

good gawd i didnt know reading comprehension escapes some people.

[Link Ashland 614]

Hold on, I just thought of something: SInce he is a freaking Prothean, he's obviously important, but, what if this DLC is only for the Prothean to be in your squad? And if you don't have the DLC, he does appear in the main game but doesn't stay with you?

You guys happen to find a thought like that?

[WizenSlinky0]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

They are far from irrelevent in both ME2 and ME3.  The Collectors were the focal point, who were Protheans, and ME3 is based around something to do with the Protheans to help fend off the Reapers.  So they are far from irrelevent. 

However, Javik is not important to ME3.

But it is really just an excuse.  The issue is that it was poorly handled Day 1 DLC.

The fact they were protheans in ME2 is completely irrelevent. You could have replaced them with something that was any other race, including the current ones, to reach the same effect. They were a Macguffin in ME2. All they did was serve the purpose of telling you the reapers like experimenting with people and the humans could be next if you don't beat them.

You're (partially) wrong on the second part as well based on what I've been told of the leaked script by a friend. But I will not discuss that here because more spoilers are the last thing anyone needs around here.

So again, the protheans are entirely irrelevent and unimportant to ME3.

If the prothean had been released as DLC three months after the game was released everyone would just be talking about how awesome it is to see a prothean and how glad they are bioware decided to make some DLC for him.

The fact it's a prothean is just being used to attack Day 1 DLC. I just want people to be honest with their argument so I can take it seriously. So we more or less agree on most points

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 23 février 2012 - 08:27 .

[fropas]

Buri wrote...

fropas wrote...

Buri wrote...

Why is the DLC not part of the digital deluxe edition? It costs exactly the same as the collector's edition yet has less worthwhile content than it. What're you trying to pull here? This is absurd. Skipping this purchase and telling all my friends to do so.

The Digital Deluxe edition with Prothean DLC costs $90 USD. The Collector's is $80. While the standard edition with the DLC is $70. If piracy were legal I'd tell all my friends to do that instead.

Both the CE and DDE come with free codes to this DLC. . . calm down.

Ok, I'll agree to calm down if I can be provided proof of this. As listing for DDE do not include mention of the DLC neither was I able to recieve any worth while information from an Origin rep.

I share your concerns even though I have the CE I'm reall concerned about how I'll be able to access this DLC, but BW made me a promise:

" The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game" (Mike first post).

I'm going to try to trust them on this. It doesn't say DDE get the DLC but he does say SE consumers can buy this DLC because CE and players who " purchase the digital version" get "from ashes." If they break that promise I'll be right there with you to rage it up!

[obie191970]

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

Hold on, I just thought of something: SInce he is a freaking Prothean, he's obviously important, but, what if this DLC is only for the Prothean to be in your squad? And if you don't have the DLC, he does appear in the main game but doesn't stay with you?

You guys happen to find a thought like that?

It's been brought up many times.  Much like Liara was treated in ME2 prior to LotSB.

[Mitsuki_Ketsueko]

Taleroth wrote...

Mitsuki_Ketsueko wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Mitsuki_Ketsueko wrote...

I have a question.

Is Mass Effect worth all this?

Yes, Mass Effect is worth every penny of it.

Is it?

I paid 10 bucks for ME1. Didn't think much of it.

Paid 10 bucks for ME2. Didn't think much of it until I finished it.

After all this, I'm not thinking much on this series anymore, period.

"Anymore?" You never did.

Some people have a different opinion. Growing out of egocentricism is an important stage in childhood development.

Actually, I was trying to say it wasn't worth all this vitriol.
Honestly, I was actually excited for this game after ME2 and the demo, and didn't care about all this DLC, until I started looking at forums, posts, etc.
I don't really know who to blame for my sudden step back from buying this. Now I'm back to just waiting for the game to drop in price.

[AkiKishi]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Why do you keep pushing the incomplete-bs when the evidence points to otherwise?  I've seen the files in person, and I've explained what is there, which is hardly anything compared to what the file size of the DLC indicates.   I've also been through the scrip numerous times, and there is no evidence indicating he was cut to be just DLC to screw you and every other customer over.

So thanks for sharing you opinion, but that's all it is, and saying that it is all on the disk makes you wrong in addition.  

What evidence ? If any files exist then the game is incomplete. Only if 100% of the content is in the download is that not the case. Even if only 1% of the files are on the disk , that still means they are charging me £10 to restore the file to working order.

I never said it was all on the disk.

[MageCeridan]

Link Ashland 614 wrote...

Hold on, I just thought of something: SInce he is a freaking Prothean, he's obviously important, but, what if this DLC is only for the Prothean to be in your squad? And if you don't have the DLC, he does appear in the main game but doesn't stay with you?

You guys happen to find a thought like that?

It's actually possible.

[Taleroth]

jreezy wrote...

At any point in your angry rambling did you stop to think how anything you said was all that relevant?  The CE comes with From Ashes therefore someone saying "CE will get everything in From Ashes" isn't incorrect. I'm wondering if your reading comprehension has esacaped you.

He seems to be under the impression CE/DDE owners are only getting a partial "From Ashes." Not the full thing.

[TheStoner]

LonnyG wrote...

This is getting out of hand damn.. But if Bioware would say now oke we are gonna turn things back. It's gonna be CE exclusive only. Then all you people that are now crying about that you have to pay for something that is EXTRA! Would be crying why that they have to wait for something that CE edition's have... This DLC would have bin there eventually for everyone after a while, so be happy that you may have it earlier!!

That wouldn't be turning it back it was never a collectors edition exclusive.

[CommanderCoffee]

Hardwired wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

*eats popcorn*
*thinks of pre-ordered CE*
*smiles*
*eats popcorn*

*thinks fondly of his own pre-ordered CE*
*steals some of Omega's popcorn to share in the moment* 

*opens another bag*
Keep it we are going to need more before this tread ends

*eats pop corn*

Yes, we get it. You don't care.

Wasn't funny the first time.

*throws a piece of popcorn at Hardwired*

Lighten up. It's just a game.

Ok. That was kinda funny. Made me smile at any rate.

Y'welcome. Anything to ease tension.

[rumbalumba]

jreezy wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...



From Ashes = one download with everything together. Therefore, CE will get everything in From Ashes, not just the character. That help?

you are either blind or illiterate.

From Ashes has skins/characters that are NOT in the CE. that's why it says "in addition" to the ones advertised in the CE. the only thing that was verified to be BOTH in the DLC and CE is the squadmate + mission. the weapon, they did not elaborate, but the skins/appearances clearly says "in addition" to the ones in the CE. meaning, if you get the CE, and you get the From Ashes, you have TWO sets of skins.

good gawd i didnt know reading comprehension escapes some people.

At any point in your angry rambling did you stop to think how anything you said was all that relevant?  The CE comes with From Ashes therefore someone saying "CE will get everything in From Ashes" isn't incorrect. I'm wondering if your reading comprehension has esacaped you.

Mike or whoever he is didn't say that in his post, and i don't see Bioware posting news about "From Ashes" being in the CE. AFAIK, EBGames or Amazon website does not say it's in the CE either. unless they just released it this morning but i havent seen news of it anywhere. im basing this on Mike's post from a hundred pages back and the promotions of the CE.

[ArkkAngel007]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

They are far from irrelevent in both ME2 and ME3.  The Collectors were the focal point, who were Protheans, and ME3 is based around something to do with the Protheans to help fend off the Reapers.  So they are far from irrelevent. 

However, Javik is not important to ME3.

But it is really just an excuse.  The issue is that it was poorly handled Day 1 DLC.

The fact they were protheans in ME2 is completely irrelevent. You could have replaced them with something that was any other race, including the current ones, to reach the same effect. They were a Macguffin in ME2. All they did was serve the purpose of telling you the reapers like experimenting with people and the humans could be next if you don't beat them.

You're (partially) wrong on the second part as well based on what I've been told of the leaked script by a friend. But I will not discuss that here because more spoilers are the last thing anyone needs around here.

So again, the protheans are entirely irrelevent and unimportant to ME3.

If the prothean had been released as DLC three months after the game was released everyone would just be talking about how awesome it is to see a prothean and how glad they are bioware decided to make some DLC for him.

The fact it's a prothean is just being used to attack Day 1 DLC. I just want people to be honest with their argument so I can take it seriously. So we more or less agree on most points

I read through the script, even cleaned it up real nice and organized it (do not recommend for those wanting to keep their sanity), so I know what I'm saying in ME3.

I'm not going to argue about the Collectors, as I agree with you on their role, but the fact that they were Protheans made the Protheans relevent.  Nowhere near the same degree as ME1 or ME3, but still relevent.

And I know I've agreed with most of the issues folks have with it.  I just disagree with the "complete game" arguments and the Prothean being the justification for it to be free, and anything tying into that (aka BioWare lying)  All other points I've agreed with from the beginning.

[wrdnshprd]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

fropas wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

still not hearing the apologists give an explanation as to how this DLC is different from the zaeed and shale dlc that was FREE regardless of version, as long as you bought the game new..

exactly why couldnt they do the same thing with this dlc?

still waiting for a response..

yeah, thats what i thought.

THIS is why people are upset. and they have every right to be.

How can I answer for Bioware? It's free for me. I bought the CE, so they kind of are doing the sasme thing. . .for me.

no it's not, dufus. you paid more so you get it for free? ROFL. is that some kind of a sick joke or something?

It depends on his reasoning for buying the CE. He may have pre-ordered the CE a long time ago and didn't even know it had a bonus DLC. The value of the DLC may be the in-game items or the art book or the lithograph. He may perceive it as being free because the "worth" of the CE is established via the other items. Everyone has a different way of thinking and reasoning for buying the CE. Me, personally, I love the hoodie and robo-dog, N7 weapons, and the DLC character. The physical items hold little value to me.

There was a response.  This was like the Warden's Keep DLC exclusive to DA: Origins CE.  I don't know if it was ever made available separate, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't free if it was.  And after all, the Grey Warden's were central to the game and that was what that DLC was about...

I don't agree with the concept of Day 1 DLC, especially if we have to pay for it, but this is still one huge hyperbole of a situation.

this is the best explanation tbh.. however, i had issues with that as well.  imo, warden's keep should have been a 'new game incentive' as well. that dlc is basically what's enabled bioware/EA to go as far as they have.  and it wasnt a secret.. we knew exactly what warden's keep was from the get go.

not so much here.

[AkiKishi]

rainasa wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Good question. Ideally this will lead to changes like having the box show that you need to pay extra for any content unlockable as day 1 DLC.

That full disclosure strikes me as both honest advertising and fair business practice.

'
For the love of..... BobSmith101, you have been proven wrong by many people in this tread and yet you coninue to say the same thing over and over again. Bioware has. done. nothing. illegal. there are many legitimate complaints and issues being discused in this thread please keep your misinformed legal knowledge to yourself or post it in a diffrent thread to be deleted.

Where did someone prove me wrong? I've taken it up the chain of command anyway I'll let you know what happens.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 23 février 2012 - 08:33 .

[fropas]

rumbalumba wrote...

jreezy wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...



From Ashes = one download with everything together. Therefore, CE will get everything in From Ashes, not just the character. That help?

you are either blind or illiterate.

From Ashes has skins/characters that are NOT in the CE. that's why it says "in addition" to the ones advertised in the CE. the only thing that was verified to be BOTH in the DLC and CE is the squadmate + mission. the weapon, they did not elaborate, but the skins/appearances clearly says "in addition" to the ones in the CE. meaning, if you get the CE, and you get the From Ashes, you have TWO sets of skins.

good gawd i didnt know reading comprehension escapes some people.

At any point in your angry rambling did you stop to think how anything you said was all that relevant?  The CE comes with From Ashes therefore someone saying "CE will get everything in From Ashes" isn't incorrect. I'm wondering if your reading comprehension has esacaped you.

Mike or whoever he is didn't say that in his post, and i don't see Bioware posting news about "From Ashes" being in the CE. AFAIK, EBGames or Amazon website does not say it's in the CE either. unless they just released it this morning but i havent seen news of it anywhere. im basing this on Mike's post from a hundred pages back and the promotions of the CE.

Well it was an xbox live leak (see OP) so you're completely illogical to think the retailers would be ready for this content. . .

[WizenSlinky0]

BobSmith101 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Why do you keep pushing the incomplete-bs when the evidence points to otherwise?  I've seen the files in person, and I've explained what is there, which is hardly anything compared to what the file size of the DLC indicates.   I've also been through the scrip numerous times, and there is no evidence indicating he was cut to be just DLC to screw you and every other customer over.

So thanks for sharing you opinion, but that's all it is, and saying that it is all on the disk makes you wrong in addition.  

What evidence ? If any files exist then the game is incomplete. Only if 100% of the content is in the download is that not the case. Even if only 1% of the files are on the disk , that still means they are charging me £10 to restore the file to working order.

I never said it was all on the disk.

To be incomplete is to be missing a part necessary for it to perform its function. It is not incomplete.

What you're probably looking for is something closer to "Feature Lacking" or "Missing Features".

[Argors]

Here is my 2 cents on this whole thing. Long time lurker.

Nothing in a CE should make me feel like a second class fan if I can not get one. To say only a true fan buys the CE is BS. Am a true fan and I want a full game not a bunch of toys I don't care about. Making the CE have a Prothean is a slap in the face to anyone that couldn't get a CE. Employing a tactic that makes me think if I don't cough up more money for a CE or am not a true fan and I don't get the full game is a low ball move. Then to come out and say we will let you buy it day one for the SE when you made sure thier was not enough CE to go around is more of a low ball move. That the toon is Prothean makes this smell so bad it's not funny. I have played Bioware games from the start, when I heard about you being bought by EA I feared this kind of thing would happen. DA 2 would of been the last straw for me. I need to finish ME for my own peace of mind. I will buy it used with no DLC. Then am done with you and EA. Screw me with DLC that was planned to milk and then act like your doing me a favor by letting me pay for it and telling me to my face am a second class gamer to boot. Ye thanks but not going to be played and thank you for it.