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[Raanz]

BobSmith101 wrote...
Because those files exist on the game I bought in an incomplete state. Charging me £10 make use of something that is already on the disk I purchased is wrong.

I'm not going to argue if the files are on there or not, because in my mind, that doesn't matter.  There are all kinds of reasons why some core elements of future content might be on the disk or why all of it is there.

The fact of the matter is:  It's extra content that they have chosen to make available as EXTRA content.  Key words: they have chosen.  There is nothing unfair or unethical about it.
When I pre-ordered ME3, I knew full well what I was getting when I forked over the money for it.  As far as I know, they are not REMOVING anything that I agreed to buy when I hit the "submit" button.
Now that you have discovered that there will be more content available the day of release, and some of the files may or may not be on the disc, you feel entitled to it.

You know as well as I do that it doesn't work that way.

[Naemi79]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...


My best friend said this in response to the video. "If people wanted this with their game, why didn't they just buy the CE?"

I was wondering that myself  

[CG50]

You know what, instead of arguing this i canny be bothered. i got the collectors edition so it doesn't matter much to me. Until i get more info on the character and what the dlc consists of i don't care whether people boycott or not because if they don't want to play the game but would rather watch videos of it on youtube or read about it on here or the wiki then that's their prerogative. I heard (read technically) someone say that he is actually in the game but from ashes has him as a squad mate. Whether that's true or not i don't know. If they say he is not "vital" then i believe them. If it turns out to be vital to the story then i will argree that it should have been part of the main game despite having the collectors edition.

I will be annoyed if they make this free however as i have now just wasted my money on pre ordering something that everyone else gets for free.

[RiouHotaru]

Lufven1 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

This thread:

1. A lot of people are upset about Bioware's exploitative corporate policy

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Ahhh, if only that were true.  Since Mike and Casey have come out and explained otherwise, there's nothing exploitative about it.  They're releasing content that was intended to be bonus content and putting it out for both SE buyers to attain NOW, rather than waiting 30 or 60 days while the CE owners get to enjoy it first (since the CE owners get it as a part of the CE)

People are taking offense at having to buy bonus content that was worked on simply because it's coming out Day 1, content the devs purposefully pushed themselves on to get out on Day 1 so their community would NOT have to wait.  Essentially, Bioware's own attempt at generousity has mysteriously and strangely backfired in their own faces through no fault of their own.

Honestly, if they would have waited for a month or two, this wouldn't be happening. The fact that this IS day one DLC is an issue. Everyone HATES day one DLC because of obvious reasons

Here's the thing though:

The Prothean was promised as being part of the CE package.  So they couldn't wait a month.  If they had?  What would've happened is that CE owners would get the DLC now when the game was released and everyone else would be without it, and that would probably start a sh*tstorm of it's own.  Then, when it came out for everyone else at it's going price of 800 points, what do you think the reaction would be?

As much as people go "NO DAY-1 DLC EVER!", it's clear that, when Casey and Mike addressed the situation that the team clearly had the ability to get the DLC done much earlier.  Are you saying they should've just waited, despite the fact their intention was to get the DLC out to their community?

[MageCeridan]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

*eats popcorn*
*thinks of pre-ordered CE*
*smiles*
*eats popcorn*

*thinks fondly of his own pre-ordered CE*
*steals some of Omega's popcorn to share in the moment* 

*opens another bag*
Keep it we are going to need more before this tread ends

*eats pop corn*

Yes, we get it. You don't care.

Wasn't funny the first time.

*throws a piece of popcorn at Hardwired*

Lighten up. It's just a game.

Ok. That was kinda funny. Made me smile at any rate.

Y'welcome. Anything to ease tension.

Dam, i'm out of popcorn, send se some, will you? Captain Coffee (or was it CommanderCoffee?)

[ArkkAngel007]

BobSmith101 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Why do you keep pushing the incomplete-bs when the evidence points to otherwise?  I've seen the files in person, and I've explained what is there, which is hardly anything compared to what the file size of the DLC indicates.   I've also been through the scrip numerous times, and there is no evidence indicating he was cut to be just DLC to screw you and every other customer over.

So thanks for sharing you opinion, but that's all it is, and saying that it is all on the disk makes you wrong in addition.  

What evidence ? If any files exist then the game is incomplete. Only if 100% of the content is in the download is that not the case. Even if only 1% of the files are on the disk , that still means they are charging me £10 to restore the file to working order.

I never said it was all on the disk.

So if they chose to do all the work after the game was through certification, and didn't include the VO work or anything that had to be done alongside the rest of the development of ME3, you wouldn't have any issue in that regard?

And you did say it, but I think you didn't mean it in that manner.  That or I was just having a problem keeping up with all the posts and mixed it up.

[AkiKishi]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

To be incomplete is to be missing a part necessary for it to perform its function. It is not incomplete.

What you're probably looking for is something closer to "Feature Lacking" or "Missing Features".

And something with something lacking or missing would be incomplete . It's just symantics.

There are files on the disk for the Prothean those files do nothing until you add the DLC. Therefore those files exist on that disk in an incomplete state.

[pavi132]

Naenwen wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...


My best friend said this in response to the video. "If people wanted this with their game, why didn't they just buy the CE?"

I was wondering that myself  

It's sold out most places. Personally, I didn't even know it contained a DLC at all. 

[BTCentral]

Dionkey wrote...

Please, let me explain this to you:

Mass Effect 3 is $60
One play-through is said to take 18-24 hours (or around ME2's length).
That means you're getting 1 hour of content for $3, never mind NewGame+

FINE! That's fantastic! That's what a game should be!

However, the DLC chracter is $10.
That means we should expect at least 3-4 hours of content out of that character. We all know that the missions included with these characters are usually 20-30 minutes, along with a bit of dialogue.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. If we paid $10 per squaddie, you wouldn't even have a full crew at $60. How would you like buying the game, getting Garrus, Ashley, Vega, Liara, Tali, and The Prothean, and then that's it? No missions, no story, no cutscenes, etc. With this kind of logic, that's exactly what you'd get!

In the UK:

Mass Effect 3 PC is £32.99
Mass Effect 3 PC Collector's Edition is £59.99

With the collector's edition you get:

Tin Case
Art Book
Fabric Patch
Lithograph
N7 Arsinal Pack
Exclusive Squad Appearance Pack
Robotic Dog
Comic Book
Extended Sound Track
Plus the From Ashes DLC: Mission, Squadmate, alternative appearance pack.

Now, for argument's sake in the UK if you were to purchase the from Ashes DLC for the 360, that's 800 Microsoft Points which retails for around £7.99.
So, £59.99 - £7.99 = £52.00. This means you're effectively actually paying £19.01 more for the Collector's Edition vs. Standard with the From Ashes DLC. Personally, I'm OK with that considering the content provided, which is why I pre-ordered the CE months ago.

Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I got a lot more than 24 hours playtime out of one playthough of ME2. Including all the DLC, I racked up around 70 hours in total.

IMO at the end of the day, if you don't like it don't buy it.

Modifié par BTCentral, 23 février 2012 - 08:36 .

[mrbauxjangles]

Naenwen wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...


My best friend said this in response to the video. "If people wanted this with their game, why didn't they just buy the CE?"

I was wondering that myself  

Because for some people like me where i am they are unsure of how many they are getting so they would only take a few preorders and for others the preorders were sold out a long time ago

[fropas]

BobSmith101 wrote...

rainasa wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Good question. Ideally this will lead to changes like having the box show that you need to pay extra for any content unlockable as day 1 DLC.

That full disclosure strikes me as both honest advertising and fair business practice.

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For the love of..... BobSmith101, you have been proven wrong by many people in this tread and yet you coninue to say the same thing over and over again. Bioware has. done. nothing. illegal. there are many legitimate complaints and issues being discused in this thread please keep your misinformed legal knowledge to yourself or post it in a diffrent thread to be deleted.

Where did someone prove me wrong? I've taken it up the chain of command anyway I'll let you know what happens.

Why would anyone need to prove you wrong? nothing you've said has been right. You were never promised access to a prothy team-mate. . .I don't know where you're getting that BW lead you to buy the game under false pretences, but you obviously think they have so you must be right.

[RiouHotaru]

BobSmith101 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Why do you keep pushing the incomplete-bs when the evidence points to otherwise?  I've seen the files in person, and I've explained what is there, which is hardly anything compared to what the file size of the DLC indicates.   I've also been through the scrip numerous times, and there is no evidence indicating he was cut to be just DLC to screw you and every other customer over.

So thanks for sharing you opinion, but that's all it is, and saying that it is all on the disk makes you wrong in addition.  

What evidence ? If any files exist then the game is incomplete. Only if 100% of the content is in the download is that not the case. Even if only 1% of the files are on the disk , that still means they are charging me £10 to restore the file to working order.

I never said it was all on the disk.

It's called placeholders.  Kasumi had soundfiles and a placeholder body model in ME2's files.  Does that mean you're paying for "on-disc" DLC?

[WizenSlinky0]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


And I know I've agreed with most of the issues folks have with it.  I just disagree with the "complete game" arguments and the Prothean being the justification for it to be free, and anything tying into that (aka BioWare lying)  All other points I've agreed with from the beginning.

Indeed. We're speaking the same language but using different words, then.

[MageCeridan]

Argors wrote...

Here is my 2 cents on this whole thing. Long time lurker.

Nothing in a CE should make me feel like a second class fan if I can not get one. To say only a true fan buys the CE is BS. Am a true fan and I want a full game not a bunch of toys I don't care about. Making the CE have a Prothean is a slap in the face to anyone that couldn't get a CE. Employing a tactic that makes me think if I don't cough up more money for a CE or am not a true fan and I don't get the full game is a low ball move. Then to come out and say we will let you buy it day one for the SE when you made sure thier was not enough CE to go around is more of a low ball move. That the toon is Prothean makes this smell so bad it's not funny. I have played Bioware games from the start, when I heard about you being bought by EA I feared this kind of thing would happen. DA 2 would of been the last straw for me. I need to finish ME for my own peace of mind. I will buy it used with no DLC. Then am done with you and EA. Screw me with DLC that was planned to milk and then act like your doing me a favor by letting me pay for it and telling me to my face am a second class gamer to boot. Ye thanks but not going to be played and thank you for it.

I personally don't care mutch about the CE content... exept the music.... GIMME MY MUSIC!

[AkiKishi]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

So if they chose to do all the work after the game was through certification, and didn't include the VO work or anything that had to be done alongside the rest of the development of ME3, you wouldn't have any issue in that regard?

And you did say it, but I think you didn't mean it in that manner.  That or I was just having a problem keeping up with all the posts and mixed it up.

If they put NOTHING on the disk I buy then I have no cause to complain. When they do it, or how does not matter.

like this.

Game disk - 0% Prothean content
Download 100% Prothean content.

If it's

Game disk 1% Prothean content
Download 99% Prothean content

Then my game is not complete.

[CommanderCoffee]

MageCeridan wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

*eats popcorn*
*thinks of pre-ordered CE*
*smiles*
*eats popcorn*

*thinks fondly of his own pre-ordered CE*
*steals some of Omega's popcorn to share in the moment* 

*opens another bag*
Keep it we are going to need more before this tread ends

*eats pop corn*

Yes, we get it. You don't care.

Wasn't funny the first time.

*throws a piece of popcorn at Hardwired*

Lighten up. It's just a game.

Ok. That was kinda funny. Made me smile at any rate.

Y'welcome. Anything to ease tension.

Dam, i'm out of popcorn, send se some, will you? Captain Coffee (or was it CommanderCoffee?)

I'm Commander Coffee and this is my favorite roast on the Citadel.

Will that be my special butter-and-cheese style, a plain butter style, or my new experiment with Japanese rice crackers mixed in?

[RiouHotaru]

Stenun wrote...

Irrelevant to my point, mate.  I'm pointing out that just because I'm buying the SE, it does not mean I'm "likely" to be a non-fan.  Someone who buys the CE is no more "likely" to be a fan than I am, they're just likely to have more money.
This DLC isn't about fans and non fans, nor is who buys the CE and who doesn't, it's about who has money.  So trying to turn it into something else - "the fans are likely to get the CE, the others are likely to not be fans" - is a little dismissive to say the least, if not outright insulting.

Then you're misinterpreting the statement, which isn't the fault of Bioware.  It's pretty darn clear what they meant.

[Hardwired]

Naenwen wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...


My best friend said this in response to the video. "If people wanted this with their game, why didn't they just buy the CE?"

I was wondering that myself  

Cause short of the complete game experience I dont want anything else.

I am not interested in an artbook, N7 patch, Hoodie, didgtal dog..and whatever else it's included. I am just not interested in paying for a ****load of stuff I have no use for.

[DJBare]

MageCeridan wrote...

Dam, i'm out of popcorn, send se some, will you? Captain Coffee (or was it CommanderCoffee?)

So the new tactic by the defenders is to flood the thread with pyramids and nonsense, and here I thought debates and discussion were a good thing no matter which stance you take.

[WizenSlinky0]

BobSmith101 wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

To be incomplete is to be missing a part necessary for it to perform its function. It is not incomplete.

What you're probably looking for is something closer to "Feature Lacking" or "Missing Features".

And something with something lacking or missing would be incomplete . It's just symantics.

There are files on the disk for the Prothean those files do nothing until you add the DLC. Therefore those files exist on that disk in an incomplete state.

Because the DLC itself was incomplete. Not the game. The game is functional and therefore complete.

Kasumi was left a space on the roster in ME2 and could even be hack-selected (even though there was no character to portray). However, ME2 wasn't incomplete just because kasumi had information about her on the disc.

You're arguing against Day 1 DLC, not about the completeness of ME3. Please argue accordingly.

[ArkkAngel007]

CG50 wrote...

You know what, instead of arguing this i canny be bothered. i got the collectors edition so it doesn't matter much to me. Until i get more info on the character and what the dlc consists of i don't care whether people boycott or not because if they don't want to play the game but would rather watch videos of it on youtube or read about it on here or the wiki then that's their prerogative. I heard (read technically) someone say that he is actually in the game but from ashes has him as a squad mate. Whether that's true or not i don't know. If they say he is not "vital" then i believe them. If it turns out to be vital to the story then i will argree that it should have been part of the main game despite having the collectors edition.

I will be annoyed if they make this free however as i have now just wasted my money on pre ordering something that everyone else gets for free.

Stop acting entitled.  If you spend your money on something that was advertised for even a short amount of time and suddenly that feature's cost is negated without any refund, that's your own fault for buying it in the first place.

/sarcasm.

Seriously though, it could have been handled better.  How so?  I'm not going to pretend to have an answer.  I've been very honest on this forum, and I'm not going to start pretending now.

[AkiKishi]

RiouHotaru wrote...

It's called placeholders.  Kasumi had soundfiles and a placeholder body model in ME2's files.  Does that mean you're paying for "on-disc" DLC?

Hate repeating myself but Kasumi was not day 1 DLC. This only applies to day 1 DLC like Zaeed/Shale which were free.

[rainasa]

rumbalumba wrote...


Mike or whoever he is didn't say that in his post, and i don't see Bioware posting news about "From Ashes" being in the CE. AFAIK, EBGames or Amazon website does not say it's in the CE either. unless they just released it this morning but i havent seen news of it anywhere. im basing this on Mike's post from a hundred pages back and the promotions of the CE.

he really doesnt say it because it freakin commen sense. in order to get the squadmate you would have to do the mission on eden prime, and you probably get the new weapon during it (like how shepard got formal wear and that new weapon in kasumi) to assmue that they would deliberately leave only the new weapon or the alternate
appearances is so beyond silly.

as for why amazon and other gameing stores had so little infomation is because from dust was LEAKED we where not even supposed to know about it untill friday and would defeat the purpose to have had it clearly labed on amazon for all to see.

Modifié par rainasa, 23 février 2012 - 08:40 .

[Raanz]

chengthao wrote...

you're right, consumers are not "entitled" to anything but consumers decide what's fair trade . . . taking content out of a game and re-pakaging it as DLC isn't what i would consider a "fair trade"

just b/c EA/BW said it was "designed exclusively for CE" doesn't mean they aren't lying . . . i'm not going to be naive and say "oh gee golly gosh . . . BW/EA sure is swell for making an exclusive character just for me"

$$$$$ is what's important, not "fair trade value" . . . . EA doesn't care about customers, just their money and they will do anything for it b/c they kno enough ppl will "defend" them and their poor business practice

Hey more power to you.  If you don't like the way they do business then don't buy the damn game.  Seriously.  It's not food, or water, or electricity.

Also, I said it earlier, they didn't remove anything from the game.   When you bought or pre-ordered the game, did it say anything about getting "From Ashes" in it?  No?  That's right.  On March 6th you will get exactly what you were expecting when you pre-ordered that game.