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[InHarmsWay]

Wrote a blog elsewhere about my take of the "From Ashes" criticisms:

There has been a lot of criticisms over Bioware and the day-one DLC "From Ashes" which features a Prothean. These complaints usually range from the price to the importance of the character in question. I'll address most of these complaints. The spoilers will be minimal at worse. Saying that the DLC squadmate is a Prothean is likely the biggest spoiler. So now I wish to address most criticisms as I disagree with each one.

Criticism 1: "Why is such an important character not in the main storyline?" "Its dialogue is in the leaked script! That proves they totally cut him out of the main game just to make some extra cash!"

Rebuttal: The story here is about trying to get Earth back and the defeat of the Reapers. The Protheans played important role in the first two games. We learned about their influence in ME1 and their fate in ME2. Their technology will play a role in defeating the reapers, but the people itself is not as important to the plot. With this new DLC character, we are given the opportunity to learn more about the people from a member of their race.

As for the Prothean being in the leaked script (won't mention details), yes it is true that he's in the leaked script. But this didn't mean that they cut him from the main game. Many don't know this but Kasumi was in the original content of ME2 when it was released. Thanks to one PC modder (), they found and unlocked Kasumi's character in ME2 before Stolen Memories came out in April 2010. But the voice actor was a place holder as was the character model, and the loyalty mission wasn't there. The character was incomplete but they placed her in the main game as the foundation for the DLC that would come out.

The Prothean may have been pre-planned, but so is most content. This was worked on near the end of ME3's production so they could give players some day-one DLC.

Criticism 2: "This is one of a long line of DLC that Bioware/EA created to get the most money out of their fans! They give us an incomplete game then try to sell us the components to finish the game to get more money from their customers!"

Rebuttal: The DLC that is being released left and right is weapons and armour. Yes, some of it is exclusive to certain retailers, but this is to encourage customer loyalty. Retailers can't change prices of ME3 as this would start a price war with other retailers that would make gamers suffer. So the only thing retailers can do is offer incentives to encourage buying from them. I don't understand how a game (which I can tell you, from reading the script, has a massive array of weapons already) is incomplete because you don't have half a dozen more guns. Having half a dozen less guns doesn't mean you can't complete the game. To make this argument, you are basically saying that you suck as video games.

"From Ashes" is the only mission (and priced) DLC that is being released upon store date of ME3. Originally "From Ashes" was meant to be a CE exclusive to reward fans who bought the CE. This was changed as Bioware did not want standard edition buyers to suffer because they didn't buy the CE, thus giving them the opportunity to buy the optional content.

Criticism 3: "$10 for this DLC?! Pre-order cancelled!"

Rebuttal: The most common argument against this DLC is that it costs $10. Many assume that it's squadmate = $10. This is a gross hyperbole of what you actually get for the DLC. The DLC contains the following:

-Prothean squadmate

-Mission to Eden Prime

-A new weapon

-Alternate appearances for all squadmates (this is in addition to the AA you get with the CE)

Source: http://social.biowar...3/index/9403705

Now a comparison. Stolen Memory was 560 MSP or $7. The Alternate Appearance packs were $2 each. "From Ashes" is a squadmate/mission DLC with TWO Alternate Appearance packs. Using the pricing of SM and the 2 AA packs, that's 880 MSP or $11 dollars. So you see, you are not being over charged for this DLC. The price is consistent with previous DLC (if anything, it's slightly under).

Bioware continuously said that this DLC is optional and is not necessary to get the perfect ending, nor does it take away from the main plot. The game is very complete and will still be enjoyable even without "From Ashes". So unless Bioware set it up where you need to buy DLC to go fight the reapers on earth, then we should calm down and wait to see what we are being offered.

Modifié par InHarmsWay, 23 février 2012 - 08:40 .

[TheStoner]

Naenwen wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...


My best friend said this in response to the video. "If people wanted this with their game, why didn't they just buy the CE?"

I was wondering that myself  

Send over the money and I will

[CG50]

Hardwired wrote...

Naenwen wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...


My best friend said this in response to the video. "If people wanted this with their game, why didn't they just buy the CE?"

I was wondering that myself  

Cause short of the complete game experience I dont want anything else.

I am not interested in an artbook, N7 patch, Hoodie, didgtal dog..and whatever else it's included. I am just not interested in paying for a ****load of stuff I have no use for.

Then just buy the dlc because if you do you are basically paying what you would have paid for a collectors edition without the stuff you have no use for.

[Stenun]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Stenun wrote...

Irrelevant to my point, mate.  I'm pointing out that just because I'm buying the SE, it does not mean I'm "likely" to be a non-fan.  Someone who buys the CE is no more "likely" to be a fan than I am, they're just likely to have more money.
This DLC isn't about fans and non fans, nor is who buys the CE and who doesn't, it's about who has money.  So trying to turn it into something else - "the fans are likely to get the CE, the others are likely to not be fans" - is a little dismissive to say the least, if not outright insulting.

Then you're misinterpreting the statement, which isn't the fault of Bioware.  It's pretty darn clear what they meant.

No, I don't believe I am.  Others seem to be saying something similar, too.

[Draconis6666]

[quote]BobSmith101 wrote...

[quote]ArkkAngel007 wrote...


What evidence ? If any files exist then the game is incomplete. Only if 100% of the content is in the download is that not the case. Even if only 1% of the files are on the disk , that still means they are charging me £10 to restore the file to working order.

I never said it was all on the disk. [/quote]

then proably 75% of every game you have ever bought are incomplete. I can just offhand think of of at least twenty major title games that have files for content that was cut from production but is still on the the game disc because they didnt bother to repackage archives or whatever again with the content removed. That does not make your game incomplete because that conent was never going to be in game at all. By that thinking every  bit of content that is ever cut during production including the multiple storyline progressions games go through and everything cut during pre production need to be in your game too or its not complete. 

[WizenSlinky0]

BobSmith101 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

So if they chose to do all the work after the game was through certification, and didn't include the VO work or anything that had to be done alongside the rest of the development of ME3, you wouldn't have any issue in that regard?

And you did say it, but I think you didn't mean it in that manner.  That or I was just having a problem keeping up with all the posts and mixed it up.

If they put NOTHING on the disk I buy then I have no cause to complain. When they do it, or how does not matter.

like this.

Game disk - 0% Prothean content
Download 100% Prothean content.

If it's

Game disk 1% Prothean content
Download 99% Prothean content

Then my game is not complete.

Your logic is flawed. By the same stretch if even a characters name shows up on a disc then it is incomplete even if they haven't even started working on that character which is planned for DLC to add to the game later.

It is more space efficient to put as much information and code as you currently have avaliable onto the disc and then let the customer download the rest when it's ready.

[ArkkAngel007]

BobSmith101 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

So if they chose to do all the work after the game was through certification, and didn't include the VO work or anything that had to be done alongside the rest of the development of ME3, you wouldn't have any issue in that regard?

And you did say it, but I think you didn't mean it in that manner.  That or I was just having a problem keeping up with all the posts and mixed it up.

If they put NOTHING on the disk I buy then I have no cause to complain. When they do it, or how does not matter.

like this.

Game disk - 0% Prothean content
Download 100% Prothean content.

If it's

Game disk 1% Prothean content
Download 99% Prothean content

Then my game is not complete.

Ok, I understand where you're coming from.  I look at it the other way around due to the actually process involved, but I'd rather understand and still disagree with you than just disagree with you without knowing your view clearly.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 23 février 2012 - 08:42 .

[AkiKishi]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

To be incomplete is to be missing a part necessary for it to perform its function. It is not incomplete.

What you're probably looking for is something closer to "Feature Lacking" or "Missing Features".

And something with something lacking or missing would be incomplete . It's just symantics.

There are files on the disk for the Prothean those files do nothing until you add the DLC. Therefore those files exist on that disk in an incomplete state.

Because the DLC itself was incomplete. Not the game. The game is functional and therefore complete.

Kasumi was left a space on the roster in ME2 and could even be hack-selected (even though there was no character to portray). However, ME2 wasn't incomplete just because kasumi had information about her on the disc.

You're arguing against Day 1 DLC, not about the completeness of ME3. Please argue accordingly.

Functional and complete are not the same thing.

Kasumi was not day one DLC sheesh (sorry I've just repeated that a couple of times now not your fault).

No I'm arguing about the completeness of the product I paid for.

[rainasa]

BobSmith101 wrote...


Hate repeating myself but Kasumi was not day 1 DLC. This only applies to day 1 DLC like Zaeed/Shale which were free.

Zaeed/Shale where NOT free in the way you are thinking. it was a marketing ploy to get people to always buy the games new so bioware would continue to get profits, but in mass effect 3 multiplayer takes that role, so the squadmember was released on the CE and as day one DLC, at this point your complaining for the sake of complaining.

[fropas]

BobSmith101 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

So if they chose to do all the work after the game was through certification, and didn't include the VO work or anything that had to be done alongside the rest of the development of ME3, you wouldn't have any issue in that regard?

And you did say it, but I think you didn't mean it in that manner.  That or I was just having a problem keeping up with all the posts and mixed it up.

If they put NOTHING on the disk I buy then I have no cause to complain. When they do it, or how does not matter.

like this.

Game disk - 0% Prothean content
Download 100% Prothean content.

If it's

Game disk 1% Prothean content
Download 99% Prothean content

Then my game is not complete.

Wow I'm liking this argument less and less. Not only does this entitle you to "from Ashes" content it entitles you to all the CE swag I purchased if even 1% is on the disc. No you're wrong. And you;re trying to get content you haven't paid for. 

[MageCeridan]

BobSmith101 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

So if they chose to do all the work after the game was through certification, and didn't include the VO work or anything that had to be done alongside the rest of the development of ME3, you wouldn't have any issue in that regard?

And you did say it, but I think you didn't mean it in that manner.  That or I was just having a problem keeping up with all the posts and mixed it up.

If they put NOTHING on the disk I buy then I have no cause to complain. When they do it, or how does not matter.

like this.

Game disk - 0% Prothean content
Download 100% Prothean content.

If it's

Game disk 1% Prothean content
Download 99% Prothean content

Then my game is not complete.

2 Words:
Iterrative development

They may had the time to develop some of the content for the DLC before doing all that RTM process. The content is probably useless without the DLC download that contains the rest, but it is possible.

Or they may have done the same then to Kasumi, AKA: add placeholders for planned content, but don't do heavy work on the DLC untill later.

Modifié par MageCeridan, 23 février 2012 - 08:50 .

[AkiKishi]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

So if they chose to do all the work after the game was through certification, and didn't include the VO work or anything that had to be done alongside the rest of the development of ME3, you wouldn't have any issue in that regard?

And you did say it, but I think you didn't mean it in that manner.  That or I was just having a problem keeping up with all the posts and mixed it up.

If they put NOTHING on the disk I buy then I have no cause to complain. When they do it, or how does not matter.

like this.

Game disk - 0% Prothean content
Download 100% Prothean content.

If it's

Game disk 1% Prothean content
Download 99% Prothean content

Then my game is not complete.

Ok, I understand where you're coming from.  I look at it the other way around due to the actually process involved, but I'd rather understand and still disagree with you than just disagree with you without knowing your view clearly.

Which ever way you look at it Bioware said the game was complete when it fact it's not. It's all over the various news sites so it's gone way beyond here.

I'm still waiting for a reply but they usually take a while.

[Hardwired]

CG50 wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

Naenwen wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...


My best friend said this in response to the video. "If people wanted this with their game, why didn't they just buy the CE?"

I was wondering that myself  

Cause short of the complete game experience I dont want anything else.

I am not interested in an artbook, N7 patch, Hoodie, didgtal dog..and whatever else it's included. I am just not interested in paying for a ****load of stuff I have no use for.

Then just buy the dlc because if you do you are basically paying what you would have paid for a collectors edition without the stuff you have no use for.

It wasn't a question mate. Meerly a reply to why one wouldn't just buy the CE version if one wanted the DLC included.

[TheStoner]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Wrote a blog elsewhere about my take of the "From Ashes" criticisms:

There has been a lot of criticisms over Bioware and the day-one DLC "From Ashes" which features a Prothean. These complaints usually range from the price to the importance of the character in question. I'll address most of these complaints. The spoilers will be minimal at worse. Saying that the DLC squadmate is a Prothean is likely the biggest spoiler. So now I wish to address most criticisms as I disagree with each one.

Criticism 1: "Why is such an important character not in the main storyline?" "Its dialogue is in the leaked script! That proves they totally cut him out of the main game just to make some extra cash!"

Rebuttal: The story here is about trying to get Earth back and the defeat of the Reapers. The Protheans played important role in the first two games. We learned about their influence in ME1 and their fate in ME2. Their technology will play a role in defeating the reapers, but the people itself is not as important to the plot. With this new DLC character, we are given the opportunity to learn more about the people from a member of their race.

As for the Prothean being in the leaked script (won't mention details), yes it is true that he's in the leaked script. But this didn't mean that they cut him from the main game. Many don't know this but Kasumi was in the original content of ME2 when it was released. Thanks to one PC modder (), they found and unlocked Kasumi's character in ME2 before Stolen Memories came out in April 2010. But the voice actor was a place holder as was the character model, and the loyalty mission wasn't there. The character was incomplete but they placed her in the main game as the foundation for the DLC that would come out.

The Prothean may have been pre-planned, but so is most content. This was worked on near the end of ME3's production so they could give players some day-one DLC.

Criticism 2: "This is one of a long line of DLC that Bioware/EA created to get the most money out of their fans! They give us an incomplete game then try to sell us the components to finish the game to get more money from their customers!"

Rebuttal: The DLC that is being released left and right is weapons and armour. Yes, some of it is exclusive to certain retailers, but this is to encourage customer loyalty. Retailers can't change prices of ME3 as this would start a price war with other retailers that would make gamers suffer. So the only thing retailers can do is offer incentives to encourage buying from them. I don't understand how a game (which I can tell you, from reading the script, has a massive array of weapons already) is incomplete because you don't have half a dozen more guns. Having half a dozen less guns doesn't mean you can't complete the game. To make this argument, you are basically saying that you suck as video games.

"From Ashes" is the only mission (and priced) DLC that is being released upon store date of ME3. Originally "From Ashes" was meant to be a CE exclusive to reward fans who bought the CE. This was changed as Bioware did not want standard edition buyers to suffer because they didn't buy the CE, thus giving them the opportunity to buy the optional content.

Criticism 3: "$10 for this DLC?! Pre-order cancelled!"

Rebuttal: The most common argument against this DLC is that it costs $10. Many assume that it's squadmate = $10. This is a gross hyperbole of what you actually get for the DLC. The DLC contains the following:

-Prothean squadmate

-Mission to Eden Prime

-A new weapon

-Alternate appearances for all squadmates (this is in addition to the AA you get with the CE)

Source: http://social.biowar...3/index/9403705

Now a comparison. Stolen Memory was 560 MSP or $7. The Alternate Appearance packs were $2 each. "From Ashes" is a squadmate/mission DLC with TWO Alternate Appearance packs. Using the pricing of SM and the 2 AA packs, that's 880 MSP or $11 dollars. So you see, you are not being over charged for this DLC. The price is consistent with previous DLC (if anything, it's slightly under).

Bioware continuously said that this DLC is optional and is not necessary to get the perfect ending, nor does it take away from the main plot. The game is very complete and will still be enjoyable even without "From Ashes". So unless Bioware set it up where you need to buy DLC to go fight the reapers on earth, then we should calm down and wait to see what we are being offered.

Those arguments are strawmen. I have seen literally noone say that it was wrong because it was too expensive. I've said that I can't afford it but I can't afford to get dlc for other games but I odn't boycott them.

[ArkkAngel007]

Draconis6666 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


What evidence ? If any files exist then the game is incomplete. Only if 100% of the content is in the download is that not the case. Even if only 1% of the files are on the disk , that still means they are charging me £10 to restore the file to working order.

I never said it was all on the disk.

then proably 75% of every game you have ever bought are incomplete. I can just offhand think of of at least twenty major title games that have files for content that was cut from production but is still on the the game disc because they didnt bother to repackage archives or whatever again with the content removed. That does not make your game incomplete because that conent was never going to be in game at all. By that thinking every  bit of content that is ever cut during production including the multiple storyline progressions games go through and everything cut during pre production need to be in your game too or its not complete. 

FTFY.
You know who I wish was here?  GMag 

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 23 février 2012 - 08:45 .

[WizenSlinky0]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Now a comparison. Stolen Memory was 560 MSP or $7. The Alternate Appearance packs were $2 each. "From Ashes" is a squadmate/mission DLC with TWO Alternate Appearance packs. Using the pricing of SM and the 2 AA packs, that's 880 MSP or $11 dollars. So you see, you are not being over charged for this DLC. The price is consistent with previous DLC (if anything, it's slightly under).

Oh I'm definitely being overcharged. I was overcharged for stolen memory too. And I'm still going to buy them. Except arrival...because arrival has no choices.

[RiouHotaru]

BobSmith101 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

It's called placeholders.  Kasumi had soundfiles and a placeholder body model in ME2's files.  Does that mean you're paying for "on-disc" DLC?

Hate repeating myself but Kasumi was not day 1 DLC. This only applies to day 1 DLC like Zaeed/Shale which were free.

Doesn't matter, the example still stands.  Kasumi had placeholder data in ME2, which according to you qualifies as "on-disc" DLC and therefore makes the game incomplete.  Whether she's Day-1 DLC or not is irrelevant.  Hell, the release date for DLC period is irrelevant.

Same applies to From Ashes.  He was promised to CE members, which means if he wasn't Day-1 DLC, the CE buyers would all have DLC that SE buyers would NOT have.

Which to be honest is a much worse situation than what we have now.  At least now SE owners have the chance to purchase him and acquire him alongside CE owners.

[Lufven1]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

This thread:

1. A lot of people are upset about Bioware's exploitative corporate policy

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Ahhh, if only that were true.  Since Mike and Casey have come out and explained otherwise, there's nothing exploitative about it.  They're releasing content that was intended to be bonus content and putting it out for both SE buyers to attain NOW, rather than waiting 30 or 60 days while the CE owners get to enjoy it first (since the CE owners get it as a part of the CE)

People are taking offense at having to buy bonus content that was worked on simply because it's coming out Day 1, content the devs purposefully pushed themselves on to get out on Day 1 so their community would NOT have to wait.  Essentially, Bioware's own attempt at generousity has mysteriously and strangely backfired in their own faces through no fault of their own.

Honestly, if they would have waited for a month or two, this wouldn't be happening. The fact that this IS day one DLC is an issue. Everyone HATES day one DLC because of obvious reasons

Here's the thing though:

The Prothean was promised as being part of the CE package.  So they couldn't wait a month.  If they had?  What would've happened is that CE owners would get the DLC now when the game was released and everyone else would be without it, and that would probably start a sh*tstorm of it's own.  Then, when it came out for everyone else at it's going price of 800 points, what do you think the reaction would be?

As much as people go "NO DAY-1 DLC EVER!", it's clear that, when Casey and Mike addressed the situation that the team clearly had the ability to get the DLC done much earlier.  Are you saying they should've just waited, despite the fact their intention was to get the DLC out to their community?

Not waited, released it for free just like with Zaeed. And if they want to release more DLC later, fine. What is the difference between Zaeed and this prothy guy? There has got to be something for excluding him from the SE. How many characters were in the ME2-CE? The whole reason for a CE is that it's for COLLECTORS. It's a COLLECTORS EDITION for COLLECTORS not a PAYMORE-GETMORE EDITION. Collectors Editions have allways been about the collectors items.

[Riohclem1]

I've scrolled through all of this thread, and I must say no one actually knows this yet. The Protean was actually written into the story to make a return in the initial game. As stated in Mass Effect 1 when virgil(sp) explains what this place is, he never said ALL of the Proteans died.

The writing team wrote him in, they were then approached and told he was to be a squad mate and to take his part of the story and make it seperate.

Do I believe that there was another team working on this content? No.. That's BS. But even if it is true, it came from the same writing team. And to blatantly sabotage the story like this for the sake up making more money.. well I can't be a part of this.

You aren't getting the full story with the core game. Not as it was intended. There was deliberations to withhold important keypoints of a story, and release it seperately.

You cannot write a Protean into the story after the story game was completed. So write a significant plot point into the game, you need to do it way before the game was completely. The writing for a game is one of the first things that are done.. And don't tell me it was a separate writing team working on this too, because it's not.

My point is.. If you buy the CE/whatever.. or the dlc.. you are supporting the corporation/devs intentionally sabotaging their story. You are supporting the practice that EA can go to Bioware when the product is half finished and say.. we need you to peel out some things for the DLC to be sold seperately.

Modifié par Riohclem1, 23 février 2012 - 08:48 .

[blueruin]

rumbalumba wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...



From Ashes = one download with everything together. Therefore, CE will get everything in From Ashes, not just the character. That help?

you are either blind or illiterate.

From Ashes has skins/characters that are NOT in the CE. that's why it says "in addition" to the ones advertised in the CE. the only thing that was verified to be BOTH in the DLC and CE is the squadmate + mission. the weapon, they did not elaborate, but the skins/appearances clearly says "in addition" to the ones in the CE. meaning, if you get the CE, and you get the From Ashes, you have TWO sets of skins.

good gawd i didnt know reading comprehension escapes some people.

If this is true, it's incredibly irritating.  This DLC and extra content thing is out of control.  Despite my apprehension about a number of things relating to the game, I pre-ordered the CE -- under the assumption that if I'm going to pay 80 something dollars, I'm going to get all the in-game extras.  Now there's other stuff at release that -isn't- included?  I don't care if it's only appearance skins and inconsequential to gameplay.  It's the principle of it.

I'm a fan.  I'd like to have all of the in-game content including the skins and alternate appearances.  I even paid the extra money for the ME2 alternate appearance packs on a whim because I loved the game, but I'm not gonna do that again.  Is it just me?  Does anyone else find that keeping up with all this extra marketing content is exhausting?  

Why can't you, Bioware, just release ALL the content you have for the game at that time, for a set price?  And then develop meaningful expansions and DLCs you can charge 20, 30, 40 dollars for down the line?  As a company, don't you want to change you DLC model so that consumers don't ever feel like they're being ripped off?

[pavi132]

Stenun wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Stenun wrote...

Irrelevant to my point, mate.  I'm pointing out that just because I'm buying the SE, it does not mean I'm "likely" to be a non-fan.  Someone who buys the CE is no more "likely" to be a fan than I am, they're just likely to have more money.
This DLC isn't about fans and non fans, nor is who buys the CE and who doesn't, it's about who has money.  So trying to turn it into something else - "the fans are likely to get the CE, the others are likely to not be fans" - is a little dismissive to say the least, if not outright insulting.

Then you're misinterpreting the statement, which isn't the fault of Bioware.  It's pretty darn clear what they meant.

No, I don't believe I am.  Others seem to be saying something similar, too.

Yeah I agree with you, they were kind of taking a shot at people who didn't buy the CE.

[WizenSlinky0]

BobSmith101 wrote...


Functional and complete are not the same thing.

Kasumi was not day one DLC sheesh (sorry I've just repeated that a couple of times now not your fault).

No I'm arguing about the completeness of the product I paid for.

But kasumi had files on ME2's disc on day 1. Therefore, by your logic, ME2 was not complete.

[AkiKishi]

fropas wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

So if they chose to do all the work after the game was through certification, and didn't include the VO work or anything that had to be done alongside the rest of the development of ME3, you wouldn't have any issue in that regard?

And you did say it, but I think you didn't mean it in that manner.  That or I was just having a problem keeping up with all the posts and mixed it up.

If they put NOTHING on the disk I buy then I have no cause to complain. When they do it, or how does not matter.

like this.

Game disk - 0% Prothean content
Download 100% Prothean content.

If it's

Game disk 1% Prothean content
Download 99% Prothean content

Then my game is not complete.

Wow I'm liking this argument less and less. Not only does this entitle you to "from Ashes" content it entitles you to all the CE swag I purchased if even 1% is on the disc. No you're wrong. And you;re trying to get content you haven't paid for. 

I don't think those files exist on the disk because the cosmetic items are not that large in file size.

Whether you like the argument or not, that's not really an issue.

[Draconis6666]

InHarmsWay wrote...


Criticism 2: "This is one of a long line of DLC that Bioware/EA created to get the most money out of their fans! They give us an incomplete game then try to sell us the components to finish the game to get more money from their customers!"

Rebuttal: The DLC that is being released left and right is weapons and armour. Yes, some of it is exclusive to certain retailers, but this is to encourage customer loyalty. Retailers can't change prices of ME3 as this would start a price war with other retailers that would make gamers suffer. So the only thing retailers can do is offer incentives to encourage buying from them. I don't understand how a game (which I can tell you, from reading the script, has a massive array of weapons already) is incomplete because you don't have half a dozen more guns. Having half a dozen less guns doesn't mean you can't complete the game. To make this argument, you are basically saying that you suck as video games.

"From Ashes" is the only mission (and priced) DLC that is being released upon store date of ME3. Originally "From Ashes" was meant to be a CE exclusive to reward fans who bought the CE. This was changed as Bioware did not want standard edition buyers to suffer because they didn't buy the CE, thus giving them the opportunity to buy the optional content.

Criticism 3: "$10 for this DLC?! Pre-order cancelled!"

Rebuttal: The most common argument against this DLC is that it costs $10. Many assume that it's squadmate = $10. This is a gross hyperbole of what you actually get for the DLC. The DLC contains the following:

-Prothean squadmate

-Mission to Eden Prime

-A new weapon

-Alternate appearances for all squadmates (this is in addition to the AA you get with the CE)

Source: http://social.biowar...3/index/9403705

Now a comparison. Stolen Memory was 560 MSP or $7. The Alternate Appearance packs were $2 each. "From Ashes" is a squadmate/mission DLC with TWO Alternate Appearance packs. Using the pricing of SM and the 2 AA packs, that's 880 MSP or $11 dollars. So you see, you are not being over charged for this DLC. The price is consistent with previous DLC (if anything, it's slightly under).

Bioware continuously said that this DLC is optional and is not necessary to get the perfect ending, nor does it take away from the main plot. The game is very complete and will still be enjoyable even without "From Ashes". So unless Bioware set it up where you need to buy DLC to go fight the reapers on earth, then we should calm down and wait to see what we are being offered.

I think you have hit well upon many of the issues with these two arguments. Something I would add to those opposed to being offered DLC or the price of DLC. YOu are complaining that EA has bothered to give you the OPTION to buy or not buy specific content. They could quite easily force content you have no interest in on you in the form of increased cost for the base game, or package it in expansion pack type forms that make you pay $40 to get the few features you want and a bunch you might not care about at all.

You may not agree with the system but the fact is that they are going to find ways to make money, and you are in a sense complaining about them using the option that gives you the most choice as a consumer on what to spend your money on or not. I really doubt anyone here actualy would prefer to pay $80 for every game they buy then be forced to spend another $40 later if they want any of the DLC content at all, or get none of it.

[ArkkAngel007]

TheStoner wrote...

Those arguments are strawmen. I have seen literally noone say that it was wrong because it was too expensive. I've said that I can't afford it but I can't afford to get dlc for other games but I odn't boycott them.

I think the price is a bit steep for only 600 some-odd gb and on the same day the game is launched, and so do others.

But I agree.  If you don't agree with it, boycott the DLC, not the game that of itself is fine.