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[rumbalumba]

blueruin wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...



From Ashes = one download with everything together. Therefore, CE will get everything in From Ashes, not just the character. That help?

you are either blind or illiterate.

From Ashes has skins/characters that are NOT in the CE. that's why it says "in addition" to the ones advertised in the CE. the only thing that was verified to be BOTH in the DLC and CE is the squadmate + mission. the weapon, they did not elaborate, but the skins/appearances clearly says "in addition" to the ones in the CE. meaning, if you get the CE, and you get the From Ashes, you have TWO sets of skins.

good gawd i didnt know reading comprehension escapes some people.

If this is true, it's incredibly irritating.  This DLC and extra content thing is out of control.  Despite my apprehension about a number of things relating to the game, I pre-ordered the CE -- under the assumption that if I'm going to pay 80 something dollars, I'm going to get all the in-game extras.  Now there's other stuff at release that -isn't- included?  I don't care if it's only appearance skins and inconsequential to gameplay.  It's the principle of it.

I'm a fan.  I'd like to have all of the in-game content including the skins and alternate appearances.  I even paid the extra money for the ME2 alternate appearance packs on a whim because I loved the game, but I'm not gonna do that again.  Is it just me?  Does anyone else find that keeping up with all this extra marketing content is exhausting?  

Why can't you, Bioware, just release ALL the content you have for the game at that time, for a set price?  And then develop meaningful expansions and DLCs you can charge 20, 30, 40 dollars for down the line?  As a company, don't you want to change you DLC model so that consumers don't ever feel like they're being ripped off?

you do realize that there will be future DLCs, right? so your $80 is still INCOMPLETE. bhaahaha.  oh lord.

[Mitsuki_Ketsueko]

InHarmsWay wrote...
-snip-

Thanks. Think you just convinced me to get that DD edition, though I would of liked the physical CE instead.

[KingJason13]

1) If the earlier script had the Prothean character playing a more important role than the scripts that followed than the character was CUT FROM THE GAME to be developed as DLC. What turned out to be Day 1 DLC, as a matter of fact, which I believe to be unethical business practice.

2) A "Complete" Game (on release day) is one that contains ALL of the release day content. With the unfortunate addition of the "weapons for purchase here / clothing for purchase there" paradigm the industry is moving toward the idea of a "complete" game becomes an increasing abstraction these days... I'd argue, however, that having a potentially lore important squadmate, complete with a trek to his trilogy significant home world side mission, as purchasable Day 1 DLC negates the SE version from being considered "Complete'.    ...On release day...

3) Bioware could have easily avoided this kerfuffle by delaying this DLCs sale by several weeks. Although, still douchey, it would have felt far less so than it does today, and ultimately much less than it will March 6th.


Bottom line:

I will buy ME3... and I will buy the damned Prothean DLC. Why? I've already invested 100 hours, or so, and 100's of $ on the previous 2 games and their DLC. I want to finish the story.

BUT after that... I am done with any and all EA products. (you too DA3)... F Them!!!

[CG50]

Hardwired wrote...

CG50 wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

Naenwen wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...


My best friend said this in response to the video. "If people wanted this with their game, why didn't they just buy the CE?"

I was wondering that myself  

Cause short of the complete game experience I dont want anything else.

I am not interested in an artbook, N7 patch, Hoodie, didgtal dog..and whatever else it's included. I am just not interested in paying for a ****load of stuff I have no use for.

Then just buy the dlc because if you do you are basically paying what you would have paid for a collectors edition without the stuff you have no use for.

It wasn't a question mate. Meerly a reply to why one wouldn't just buy the CE version if one wanted the DLC included.

Yeah fair enough, its just you said

"cause short of the complete game experiance I dont want anything else."

I just thought i'd say that if you wanted the complete experiance without the stuff just buy the dlc. 

[AkiKishi]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


Functional and complete are not the same thing.

Kasumi was not day one DLC sheesh (sorry I've just repeated that a couple of times now not your fault).

No I'm arguing about the completeness of the product I paid for.

But kasumi had files on ME2's disc on day 1. Therefore, by your logic, ME2 was not complete.

There was no other version of ME2.

The problem is this. This is the last time I'm typing this.

You have two versions of ME3

CE - complete game
SE - complete game if you pay £10 more.

[ArkkAngel007]

Riohclem1 wrote...

I've scrolled through all of this thread, and I must say no one actually knows this yet. The Protean was actually written into the story to make a return in the initial game. As stated in Mass Effect 1 when virgil(sp) explains what this place is, he never said ALL of the Proteans died.

The writing team wrote him in, they were then approached and told he was to be a squad mate and to take his part of the story and make it seperate.

Do I believe that there was another team working on this content? No.. That's BS. But even if it is true, it came from the same writing team. And to blatantly sabotage the story like this for the sake up making more money.. well I can't be a part of this.

You aren't getting the full story with the core game. Not as it was intended. There was deliberations to withhold important keypoints of a story, and release it seperately.

You cannot write a Protean into the story after the story game was completed. So write a significant plot point into the game, you need to do it way before the game was completely. The writing for a game is one of the first things that are done.. And don't tell me it was a separate writing team working on this too, because it's not.

I have talked about it numerous times.

The retail is the full game as intended.  Scripts change.  A lot more changed in that first script than Javik being removed as the key to the whole thing.  And it's better for it.

Javik was kept to be used as DLC after they scrapped the original concept, in which the concept was expanded into development by a separate team.

[MKGDX]

A lot of growling going on, and little facts...

Reading some of the old stuff about this DLC it seems to not be the rip-off that some are crying about.

What I know is that for $10 USD you get a new squadmate, a new mission, a second appearance pack, and a new gun (about $2.50 for each)

And with all the CE and preorder bonuses, it seems for an extra $20 and taxes I'm getting:

A number of physical goodies (not gonna bother reposting what BTCentral already posted)
2 Alternate Appearance packs
6 weapons
1 robot dog
1 squadmate
1 armor set

Provided that "From Ashes" isn't an On-Disc DLC, this actually seems like a decent deal.

[fropas]

BobSmith101 wrote...

fropas wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

So if they chose to do all the work after the game was through certification, and didn't include the VO work or anything that had to be done alongside the rest of the development of ME3, you wouldn't have any issue in that regard?

And you did say it, but I think you didn't mean it in that manner.  That or I was just having a problem keeping up with all the posts and mixed it up.

If they put NOTHING on the disk I buy then I have no cause to complain. When they do it, or how does not matter.

like this.

Game disk - 0% Prothean content
Download 100% Prothean content.

If it's

Game disk 1% Prothean content
Download 99% Prothean content

Then my game is not complete.

Wow I'm liking this argument less and less. Not only does this entitle you to "from Ashes" content it entitles you to all the CE swag I purchased if even 1% is on the disc. No you're wrong. And you;re trying to get content you haven't paid for. 

I don't think those files exist on the disk because the cosmetic items are not that large in file size.

Whether you like the argument or not, that's not really an issue.

Yeah the issue is that you're trying to get content you haven't paid for.

You pay for the SE game, then you get the SE features. The only issue here is your opinion of "completeness" which means whatever you want it to mean. The prothy's role in ME3 could be entirely "cosmetic" as well. Yet, you're entitled to him if even 1% of the Prothy DLC is on the disc according to your argument.

That's total BS.

[Bluumberry]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

If you don't agree with it, boycott the DLC, not the game that of itself is fine.

If people actually understood this we'd have no thread.

[InHarmsWay]

TheStoner wrote...

Those arguments are strawmen. I have seen literally noone say that it was wrong because it was too expensive. I've said that I can't afford it but I can't afford to get dlc for other games but I odn't boycott them.

I wish I was exaggerating. You might not see it much here, but in other forums, youtube, /r/gaming, there are dozens of comments that can easily be summarized to "DLC too expensive. Pre-order cancelled."

[rainasa]

Riohclem1 wrote...

I've scrolled through all of this thread, and I must say no one actually knows this yet. The Protean was actually written into the story to make a return in the initial game. As stated in Mass Effect 1 when virgil(sp) explains what this place is, he never said ALL of the Proteans died.

The writing team wrote him in, they were then approached and told he was to be a squad mate and to take his part of the story and make it seperate.

Do I believe that there was another team working on this content? No.. That's BS. But even if it is true, it came from the same writing team. And to blatantly sabotage the story like this for the sake up making more money.. well I can't be a part of this.

You aren't getting the full story with the core game. Not as it was intended. There was deliberations to withhold important keypoints of a story, and release it seperately.

You cannot write a Protean into the story after the story game was completed. So write a significant plot point into the game, you need to do it way before the game was completely. The writing for a game is one of the first things that are done.. And don't tell me it was a separate writing team working on this too, because it's not.

the script you are talking about was admitted to being a VERY old version. Characters and locations are removed all the friggen time during the early development process, and sometimes, like in the case with From ashes, things that where removed due to time constraintes or due to other story reasons will be added to the game later in a lesser role as DLC or as an expansion pack. this is nothing new, this is no secret EA conspiracy to rob you of 10$ Bioware worked hard on this DLC AFTER the game went into certification, it literally could not have been added to the normal game, so they added it as day one dlc.

Modifié par rainasa, 23 février 2012 - 08:54 .

[Taleroth]

BobSmith101 wrote...



CE - complete game
SE - complete game if you pay £10 more.

 The fun thing here is the SE+10 is still cheaper than the CE.

So what's exactly the complaint aside from bickering over some absurd "complete" ideal? You want to save money, buy the SE.

Modifié par Taleroth, 23 février 2012 - 08:54 .

[rumbalumba]

BobSmith101 wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


Functional and complete are not the same thing.

Kasumi was not day one DLC sheesh (sorry I've just repeated that a couple of times now not your fault).

No I'm arguing about the completeness of the product I paid for.

But kasumi had files on ME2's disc on day 1. Therefore, by your logic, ME2 was not complete.

There was no other version of ME2.

The problem is this. This is the last time I'm typing this.

You have two versions of ME3

CE - complete game
SE - complete game if you pay £10 more.

WRONG.

CE + future DLCs - complete game
CE only - incomplete game
SE - not even a game anymore

[blueruin]

rumbalumba wrote...

blueruin wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...



From Ashes = one download with everything together. Therefore, CE will get everything in From Ashes, not just the character. That help?

you are either blind or illiterate.

From Ashes has skins/characters that are NOT in the CE. that's why it says "in addition" to the ones advertised in the CE. the only thing that was verified to be BOTH in the DLC and CE is the squadmate + mission. the weapon, they did not elaborate, but the skins/appearances clearly says "in addition" to the ones in the CE. meaning, if you get the CE, and you get the From Ashes, you have TWO sets of skins.

good gawd i didnt know reading comprehension escapes some people.

If this is true, it's incredibly irritating.  This DLC and extra content thing is out of control.  Despite my apprehension about a number of things relating to the game, I pre-ordered the CE -- under the assumption that if I'm going to pay 80 something dollars, I'm going to get all the in-game extras.  Now there's other stuff at release that -isn't- included?  I don't care if it's only appearance skins and inconsequential to gameplay.  It's the principle of it.

I'm a fan.  I'd like to have all of the in-game content including the skins and alternate appearances.  I even paid the extra money for the ME2 alternate appearance packs on a whim because I loved the game, but I'm not gonna do that again.  Is it just me?  Does anyone else find that keeping up with all this extra marketing content is exhausting?  

Why can't you, Bioware, just release ALL the content you have for the game at that time, for a set price?  And then develop meaningful expansions and DLCs you can charge 20, 30, 40 dollars for down the line?  As a company, don't you want to change you DLC model so that consumers don't ever feel like they're being ripped off?

you do realize that there will be future DLCs, right? so your $80 is still INCOMPLETE. bhaahaha.  oh lord.

I said meaningful expansions.  Lair of the Shadow Broker was great.  Overlord was mediocre.  Kasumi was okay but it's unclear to me why she wasn't included in the main game.  The other ones were garbage.

[WizenSlinky0]

BobSmith101 wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


Functional and complete are not the same thing.

Kasumi was not day one DLC sheesh (sorry I've just repeated that a couple of times now not your fault).

No I'm arguing about the completeness of the product I paid for.

But kasumi had files on ME2's disc on day 1. Therefore, by your logic, ME2 was not complete.

There was no other version of ME2.

The problem is this. This is the last time I'm typing this.

You have two versions of ME3

CE - complete game
SE - complete game if you pay £10 more.

Wrong. You think anything in the CE is "free"? They aren't getting the character "free", they are paying for it as well. At a discount mind you since the profit margin on each item in the CE is reduced.

They are paying for it. If you're mad Bioware is charging too much for what you deem content that's important to you, go right on ahead...but don't go complaining the game isn't complete.

All the CE gets is a download code. The same files are on the game in the SE. The price of their download code is just discounted, as if they had paid for it on sale and you bought full price.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 23 février 2012 - 08:54 .

[ElementL09]

We can only guess at how significant the prothean is to the story itself. I personally think he's pretty siginificant, his race did fight against the reapers and even if they did fail, Shepard can learn from their mistakes (knowledge like that would help greatly against the reapers).

[Xellana]

MKGDX wrote...

A lot of growling going on, and little facts...

Reading some of the old stuff about this DLC it seems to not be the rip-off that some are crying about.

What I know is that for $10 USD you get a new squadmate, a new mission, a second appearance pack, and a new gun (about $2.50 for each)

And with all the CE and preorder bonuses, it seems for an extra $20 and taxes I'm getting:

A number of physical goodies (not gonna bother reposting what BTCentral already posted)
2 Alternate Appearance packs
6 weapons
1 robot dog
1 squadmate
1 armor set

Provided that "From Ashes" isn't an On-Disc DLC, this actually seems like a decent deal.

I have to agree. Americans seem to have a good deal with the CE. In Europe however you have to play almost 30 Euros more for the CE. That is 40 Dollars more than the SE.

[fropas]

Bluumberry wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

If you don't agree with it, boycott the DLC, not the game that of itself is fine.

If people actually understood this we'd have no thread.

Exactly, I just want to see if this can get to 200 pages

[MageCeridan]

BobSmith101 wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


Functional and complete are not the same thing.

Kasumi was not day one DLC sheesh (sorry I've just repeated that a couple of times now not your fault).

No I'm arguing about the completeness of the product I paid for.

But kasumi had files on ME2's disc on day 1. Therefore, by your logic, ME2 was not complete.

There was no other version of ME2.

The problem is this. This is the last time I'm typing this.

You have two versions of ME3

CE - complete game
SE - complete game if you pay £10 more.

ME2 had 3 versions:
SE, 
CE,
DDE.

I should know, I have the DDE from steam on my disk...

[AkiKishi]

fropas wrote...

Yeah the issue is that you're trying to get content you haven't paid for.

You pay for the SE game, then you get the SE features. The only issue here is your opinion of "completeness" which means whatever you want it to mean. The prothy's role in ME3 could be entirely "cosmetic" as well. Yet, you're entitled to him if even 1% of the Prothy DLC is on the disc according to your argument.

That's total BS.

That's not how it works though.

I mean I get it you don't like the idea of someone getting something free that you paid for. Totally understandable.

[RiouHotaru]

Lufven1 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

This thread:

1. A lot of people are upset about Bioware's exploitative corporate policy

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Ahhh, if only that were true.  Since Mike and Casey have come out and explained otherwise, there's nothing exploitative about it.  They're releasing content that was intended to be bonus content and putting it out for both SE buyers to attain NOW, rather than waiting 30 or 60 days while the CE owners get to enjoy it first (since the CE owners get it as a part of the CE)

People are taking offense at having to buy bonus content that was worked on simply because it's coming out Day 1, content the devs purposefully pushed themselves on to get out on Day 1 so their community would NOT have to wait.  Essentially, Bioware's own attempt at generousity has mysteriously and strangely backfired in their own faces through no fault of their own.

Honestly, if they would have waited for a month or two, this wouldn't be happening. The fact that this IS day one DLC is an issue. Everyone HATES day one DLC because of obvious reasons

Here's the thing though:

The Prothean was promised as being part of the CE package.  So they couldn't wait a month.  If they had?  What would've happened is that CE owners would get the DLC now when the game was released and everyone else would be without it, and that would probably start a sh*tstorm of it's own.  Then, when it came out for everyone else at it's going price of 800 points, what do you think the reaction would be?

As much as people go "NO DAY-1 DLC EVER!", it's clear that, when Casey and Mike addressed the situation that the team clearly had the ability to get the DLC done much earlier.  Are you saying they should've just waited, despite the fact their intention was to get the DLC out to their community?

Not waited, released it for free just like with Zaeed. And if they want to release more DLC later, fine. What is the difference between Zaeed and this prothy guy? There has got to be something for excluding him from the SE. How many characters were in the ME2-CE? The whole reason for a CE is that it's for COLLECTORS. It's a COLLECTORS EDITION for COLLECTORS not a PAYMORE-GETMORE EDITION. Collectors Editions have allways been about the collectors items.

Yes, and the Collector's Edition of ME2 came with an exclusive piece of armor and a weapon that as of yet CANNOT be acquired through other means.  However, the presence of that weapon/armor doesn't detrimentally effect anyone else's experience.

That they offer a character instead of an exclusive weapon/armor doesn't mean anything.  It's been made clear and final that the Prothean's relevance to the plot is negligible, and that his primary role is nostaliga and as lore filler.  Which means that CE members gain no relevant advantage to having him besides having 1 additional squadmate.  This goes along with Zaeed (who was only available to folks who bought the game new, and otherwise cost TWENTY BUCKS to obtain) and Kasumi, whose presence wasn't necessary to achieve optimal success and therefore gave no advantage to their owners over anyone else.

[mogonk]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The retail is the full game as intended.  Scripts change.  A lot more changed in that first script than Javik being removed as the key to the whole thing.  And it's better for it.

Javik was kept to be used as DLC after they scrapped the original concept, in which the concept was expanded into development by a separate team.

So, to recap.  They developed a character and associated content as part of the development process.  Then they removed him from the game.  Then they charged $10 to add him back into the game.

And that's cool?  Ok buddy.

[AkiKishi]

MageCeridan wrote...
ME2 had 3 versions:
SE, 
CE,
DDE.

I should know, I have the DDE from steam on my disk...

But they all had Zaeed/CN if you bought them new?