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[Survivalist]

Bioware has chosen to release day one DLC when they could not have. Why have they decided this?
To make more money, there is no other reason.
They are going to make plenty of money from the game even without the day one DLC. They could make the DLC free and still be making money. This does not sit well with me, they are trying to get our money when they clearly don't need it. If the price of the DLC more accurately reflected it's actual value it would be better but like spare parts it's completely disproportionate to the actual production cost.
My two pence.

[Errationatus]

 @Descendant and TheStoner:

You hear that massive roar of a sound?  Feel your hair almost peeled from your scalp?  That's the effect of the point of what I'd posted - re: "the definition of insanity" - hyperblasting its way over your heads at the speed of the neurons you are apparently starving.

Thanks for playing though.

[SneakiestNeg]

Will there be a GOTYE pack coming out somewhere in the future? Maybe in games on demand (digital distribution)?

[WizenSlinky0]

Xellana wrote...

MKGDX wrote...

A lot of growling going on, and little facts...

Reading some of the old stuff about this DLC it seems to not be the rip-off that some are crying about.

What I know is that for $10 USD you get a new squadmate, a new mission, a second appearance pack, and a new gun (about $2.50 for each)

And with all the CE and preorder bonuses, it seems for an extra $20 and taxes I'm getting:

A number of physical goodies (not gonna bother reposting what BTCentral already posted)
2 Alternate Appearance packs
6 weapons
1 robot dog
1 squadmate
1 armor set

Provided that "From Ashes" isn't an On-Disc DLC, this actually seems like a decent deal.

I have to agree. Americans seem to have a good deal with the CE. In Europe however you have to play almost 30 Euros more for the CE. That is 40 Dollars more than the SE.

It's really only a good deal if you want all the extra stuff in the box. If all you want is the character and mission, you're paying more by getting the CE.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 23 février 2012 - 08:56 .

[Taleroth]

mogonk wrote...


So, to recap.  They developed a character and associated content as part of the development process.  Then they removed him from the game.  Then they charged $10 to add him back into the game.

And that's cool?  Ok buddy.

I would have paid $10 to have Legion returned to his original state, personally. You have no idea how much of him was cut from the early materials. I know the real reason he has Shepard's armor.

What's cool should be on your value evaluation. Is the game worth $60 without it? Is the game worth $70 (or $80 if you're eyeing a CE) with?

Modifié par Taleroth, 23 février 2012 - 08:57 .

[Goth Skunk]

The ONLY way that BioWare has abused their customers and their fans, is in allowing this thread to continue.

It should have been quashed dozens of pages ago.

[Yuoaman]

BobSmith101 wrote...

MageCeridan wrote...
ME2 had 3 versions:
SE, 
CE,
DDE.

I should know, I have the DDE from steam on my disk...

But they all had Zaeed/CN if you bought them new?

Yep, every new copy regardless of version or platform had Zaeed and the Cerberus Network included.

[MarchWaltz]

I'm happy we are getting day one dlc. I do not want to wait for yet another character (kasumi)

I'm all for DLC, but I want this to be the last squaddie. No more.

[Yuoaman]

Goth Skunk wrote...

The ONLY way that BioWare has abused their customers and their fans, is in allowing this thread to continue.

It should have been quashed dozens of pages ago.

Your Mileage May Vary.

[_symphony]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...
So again, the protheans are entirely irrelevent and unimportant to ME3.

How can you be so sure about that?

The fact it's a prothean is just being used to attack Day 1 DLC. I just want people to be honest with their argument so I can take it seriously. So we more or less agree on most points

I'm being honest, I don't care about Day 1 DLC as much as having a prothean alive that's inconsequential to the main plot. Unless he's in the game and the DLC is only for make him a squadmate this is poor writing.  A prothean alive is a huge deal, they were thought dead for 50000 years, they were killed by the reapers and now you have one alive, and it means nothing ... how can that be? how can you resurrect a prothean and cast him aside in a DLC?

BioWare is only using him as a hook for get people to buy DLCs and CEs, and wasting a great opportunity for Mass Effect's story.

Modifié par _symphony, 23 février 2012 - 08:58 .

[Draconis6666]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I don't think those files exist on the disk because the cosmetic items are not that large in file size.

Whether you like the argument or not, that's not really an issue.

In some ways its entirely the issue, your argument is it that it is up to YOU to tell bioware when their game is complete and when it isnt. You are basicaly saying that you should decide what content is finished or not, "How dare they not finish something but leave some files from it my Game is incomplete" <-- this is opinion and not any grounds for a logical argument that you can use to suport a claim that Bioware should be entitled in any way to give you what you want. You are basicaly saying that you want them to waste time and resources to go through and rearchive files that contain cut content because you feel that its very existance makes your game incomplete. 

As I mentioned earlier by your argument you could just as easily say that no game ever produced is completed because stuff was cut and it should be in the game simply because you think it should have been completed instead of cut.

Or you are alternately demanding that they spend their development time to remove things that are imbeded into the game beacuse you dont want them there becaue the existance of files that you will never even see anything from in the game somehow lessens your gameplay experience.

[jeckaldied]

Bioware made my second favorite game of all time (Dragon Age), I've always been a big fan of them, but after they rushed out a very lackluster sequel to said second favorite game with a character that was at least free to everyone who preordered before a certain date(which left a bad taste in my mouth for those who don't follow games as much as we do), my faith in them got bruised badly. This is the final straw for me at least. The character was more than likely in the game sense the begining (the script leak being any indication) the fact that they are charging in one way (CE) or another (DLC) for a character when in the past they would just use it as a buy new incentive (Zaeed and Shale) is my issue, epecially considering its a character that should be extremely important to the story/lore. (And if it isn't, shame on bioware anyway for letting the writing quality fall to the point where they don't acknowledge how special this character would be)

[melodrama]I joined social network when they started, I've been a fan for a long time, and a major defender . But Bioware has been slowly going down a path I'm not willing to, so DA2 will have been the final game of theirs I bought.[/melodrama]

Modifié par jeckaldied, 23 février 2012 - 09:04 .

[AkiKishi]

Yuoaman wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

MageCeridan wrote...
ME2 had 3 versions:
SE, 
CE,
DDE.

I should know, I have the DDE from steam on my disk...

But they all had Zaeed/CN if you bought them new?

Yep, every new copy regardless of version or platform had Zaeed and the Cerberus Network included.

So in esence there is only one version of the game on release day. Thanks for that.

[CommanderCoffee]

_symphony wrote...



BioWare is only using him as a hook for get people to buy DLCs and CEs, and wasting a great opportunity for Mass Effect's story.

Welcome to Business 101. First lesson: How to get people to become repeat customers.

[Bluumberry]

Yuoaman wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

MageCeridan wrote...
ME2 had 3 versions:
SE, 
CE,
DDE.

I should know, I have the DDE from steam on my disk...

But they all had Zaeed/CN if you bought them new?

Yep, every new copy regardless of version or platform had Zaeed and the Cerberus Network included.

And the multiplayer still takes the role Zaeed/CN had in ME2.

[rainasa]

mogonk wrote...

So, to recap.  They developed a character and associated content as part of the development process.  Then they removed him from the game.  Then they charged $10 to add him back into the game.

And that's cool?  Ok buddy.

yes, they removed a main character in such a early stage of development that they had bearly started coding  and then worked on his model, mission, and the planet eden prime after the game went into certification and was able to finish it as dlc before the lauch date, that is not unreasonable at all.

Modifié par rainasa, 23 février 2012 - 09:00 .

[RiouHotaru]

For anyone arguing they should've delayed "From Ashes", I'll continue to remind you that a "delay" would've only impacted SE owners, since From Ashes was promised to CE owners as part of the extras that came with the CE and the DDE.

And given that the content WOULD NOT HAVE CHANGED (and likely neither the price!), saying a delay would've helped is something of a fallacy.

[fropas]

_symphony wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...
So again, the protheans are entirely irrelevent and unimportant to ME3.

How can you be so sure about that?

The fact it's a prothean is just being used to attack Day 1 DLC. I just want people to be honest with their argument so I can take it seriously. So we more or less agree on most points

I'm being honest, I don't care about Day 1 DLC as much as having a prothean alive that's inconsequential to the main plot. Unless he's in the game and the DLC is only for make him a squadmate this is poor writing.  A prothean alive is a huge deal, they were thought dead for 50000 years, they were killed by the reapers and now you have one alive, and it means nothing ... how can that be? how can you resurrect a prothean and cast him aside in a DLC?

BioWare is only using him as a hook for get people to buy DLCs and CEs, and wasting a great opportunity for Mass Effect's story.

This is an unconstructive criticism. It's too late for BW to change his importance to the main plot.

[Taleroth]

_symphony wrote...

how can you resurrect a prothean and cast him aside in a DLC?

I dunno, how can you kill the Shadow Broker and put your personal friend in his job in a DLC? Shadow Broker is a big deal too.

How can you sabotage an entirely new Reaper invasion plan in a DLC? Reaper invasions are practically the entire point.

And getting the founder of the Blue Suns on the Normandy sounds like a bigger deal than it is. Blue Suns were major enemies in ME2. You had their ex-boss hanging out with you.

People want DLCs that aren't throwaways. They want big deals. We want stuff... that we want.

Modifié par Taleroth, 23 février 2012 - 09:01 .

[Omega Torsk]

Goth Skunk wrote...

The ONLY way that BioWare has abused their customers and their fans, is in allowing this thread to continue.

It should have been quashed dozens of pages ago.

Never thought I would keep revisiting a thread in the hopes of seeing "LOCKDOWN" at the very bottom of it...

[Lufven1]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

This thread:

1. A lot of people are upset about Bioware's exploitative corporate policy

2. A few people furiously trying to defend it

Ahhh, if only that were true.  Since Mike and Casey have come out and explained otherwise, there's nothing exploitative about it.  They're releasing content that was intended to be bonus content and putting it out for both SE buyers to attain NOW, rather than waiting 30 or 60 days while the CE owners get to enjoy it first (since the CE owners get it as a part of the CE)

People are taking offense at having to buy bonus content that was worked on simply because it's coming out Day 1, content the devs purposefully pushed themselves on to get out on Day 1 so their community would NOT have to wait.  Essentially, Bioware's own attempt at generousity has mysteriously and strangely backfired in their own faces through no fault of their own.

Honestly, if they would have waited for a month or two, this wouldn't be happening. The fact that this IS day one DLC is an issue. Everyone HATES day one DLC because of obvious reasons

Here's the thing though:

The Prothean was promised as being part of the CE package.  So they couldn't wait a month.  If they had?  What would've happened is that CE owners would get the DLC now when the game was released and everyone else would be without it, and that would probably start a sh*tstorm of it's own.  Then, when it came out for everyone else at it's going price of 800 points, what do you think the reaction would be?

As much as people go "NO DAY-1 DLC EVER!", it's clear that, when Casey and Mike addressed the situation that the team clearly had the ability to get the DLC done much earlier.  Are you saying they should've just waited, despite the fact their intention was to get the DLC out to their community?

Not waited, released it for free just like with Zaeed. And if they want to release more DLC later, fine. What is the difference between Zaeed and this prothy guy? There has got to be something for excluding him from the SE. How many characters were in the ME2-CE? The whole reason for a CE is that it's for COLLECTORS. It's a COLLECTORS EDITION for COLLECTORS not a PAYMORE-GETMORE EDITION. Collectors Editions have allways been about the collectors items.

Yes, and the Collector's Edition of ME2 came with an exclusive piece of armor and a weapon that as of yet CANNOT be acquired through other means.  However, the presence of that weapon/armor doesn't detrimentally effect anyone else's experience.

That they offer a character instead of an exclusive weapon/armor doesn't mean anything.  It's been made clear and final that the Prothean's relevance to the plot is negligible, and that his primary role is nostaliga and as lore filler.  Which means that CE members gain no relevant advantage to having him besides having 1 additional squadmate.  This goes along with Zaeed (who was only available to folks who bought the game new, and otherwise cost TWENTY BUCKS to obtain) and Kasumi, whose presence wasn't necessary to achieve optimal success and therefore gave no advantage to their owners over anyone else.

We still don't know of the significance of this new character but him being a prothean is surely something else than Zaeed. You MUST understand that. I would argue that a new character IS going to change the experience of the players using it but as it now stands only people willing to pay another 20$ or whatever will experience it. I truly love the ME series and have been looking forward to ME3 it since ME2 but am I a lesser fan because I don't want to pay extra to recieve a greater experience?

[nitefyre410]

DJBare wrote...

MageCeridan wrote...

Dam, i'm out of popcorn, send se some, will you? Captain Coffee (or was it CommanderCoffee?)

So the new tactic by the defenders is to flood the thread with pyramids and nonsense, and here I thought debates and discussion were a good thing no matter which stance you take.

 

This  stopped being a debate a long time again now its sideshow one the could be have been completely avoid.

Anything worth debating has gotten lost in the white noise of petty insults  and the unsually internet "debating" shinnangins  

[obie191970]

BobSmith101 wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


Functional and complete are not the same thing.

Kasumi was not day one DLC sheesh (sorry I've just repeated that a couple of times now not your fault).

No I'm arguing about the completeness of the product I paid for.

But kasumi had files on ME2's disc on day 1. Therefore, by your logic, ME2 was not complete.

There was no other version of ME2.

The problem is this. This is the last time I'm typing this.

You have two versions of ME3

CE - complete game
SE - complete game if you pay £10 more.

Seeing you're stuck on the day 1 DLC issue.  DAO Warden's Keep was Day 1 DLC that was free for those who purchased the CE, it was $7 for everyone else.  The same thing applies here.  And guess what?  It's not illegal!  And you're not getting the complete game if you pay $10 more, you're getting additional content marketed to the CE buyers for $10 less.

[ArkkAngel007]

mogonk wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The retail is the full game as intended.  Scripts change.  A lot more changed in that first script than Javik being removed as the key to the whole thing.  And it's better for it.

Javik was kept to be used as DLC after they scrapped the original concept, in which the concept was expanded into development by a separate team.

So, to recap.  They developed a character and associated content as part of the development process.  Then they removed him from the game.  Then they charged $10 to add him back into the game.

And that's cool?  Ok buddy.

This was before the actual programming.  From what I understand, he was still just concept.  

They put him back as fan service, nothing more or less.  They had the concept and many of the lines already written out.  They just needed to actually program and record everything, which most was done outside of the game (VO sessions and specific markers are the only exception).

Nice try in attempting to turn my evidence around though.  About a -1 in effort.

[Draconis6666]

BobSmith101 wrote...


CE - complete game
SE - complete game if you pay £10 more.

So then you would be ok with it if the base game cost $70 and everyone got it for free?