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[rainasa]

nightcobra8928 wrote...



more like ok if it was handled like ME2, 60 bucks and everyone got it free. too much to keep a consistent business practice?

zaeed was "free" so people would continue to buy a new version of the game. for mass effect 3 multiplayer takes that role so the squadmate was released as part of the CE and as day one DLC, their business practice is consistent.

[WizenSlinky0]

_symphony wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...
So again, the protheans are entirely irrelevent and unimportant to ME3.

How can you be so sure about that?

The fact it's a prothean is just being used to attack Day 1 DLC. I just want people to be honest with their argument so I can take it seriously. So we more or less agree on most points

I'm being honest, I don't care about Day 1 DLC as much as having a prothean alive that's inconsequential to the main plot. Unless he's in the game and the DLC is only for make him a squadmate this is poor writing.  A prothean alive is a huge deal, they were thought dead for 50000 years, they were killed by the reapers and now you have one alive, and it means nothing ... how can that be? how can you resurrect a prothean and cast him aside in a DLC?

BioWare is only using him as a hook for get people to buy DLCs and CEs, and wasting a great opportunity for Mass Effect's story.

I can be sure of that because the protheans have already exhausted their usefulness.

There were tons of civilizations just like the protheans that died, 50,000 years before that, and 50,000 years before that. None of them have any knowledge of the reapers that we don't already know. Again, it's a huge deal in terms of LORE but not in terms of ME3 as a game.

They could have just as easily made this all avaliable through another damn comic. At least this lore is actually playable in the game.

[RiouHotaru]

Lufven1 wrote...

We still don't know of the significance of this new character but him being a prothean is surely something else than Zaeed. You MUST understand that. I would argue that a new character IS going to change the experience of the players using it but as it now stands only people willing to pay another 20$ or whatever will experience it. I truly love the ME series and have been looking forward to ME3 it since ME2 but am I a lesser fan because I don't want to pay extra to recieve a greater experience?

Why must he be significant?  Because he's a Prothean?  The very fact that he's DLC excludes him from being critical to the development of the plot, as Bioware's DLC characters have NEVER been that important to the plot.  It's almost amusing that people are demanding he be significant simply because he's a Prothean, despite the fact he may have little if anything to do with the actions of his race.

And again, you're not going to miss anything because you do or don't have him.  He does enrich the lore, yes.  But does he tell you anything plot-relevant you couldn't have learned otherwise?  No.

[AlanC9]

_symphony wrote...
I'm being honest, I don't care about Day 1 DLC as much as having a prothean alive that's inconsequential to the main plot. Unless he's in the game and the DLC is only for make him a squadmate this is poor writing.  A prothean alive is a huge deal, they were thought dead for 50000 years, they were killed by the reapers and now you have one alive, and it means nothing ... how can that be? how can you resurrect a prothean and cast him aside in a DLC?

Like I said upthread, why should it mean anything? If one of the stasis pods on Ilos was still working and contained a real live Prothean squadmate, it wouldn't have changed a damn thing about ME1. There would have been consequences for ME2 and ME3 since presumably he would have got the Council to believe in the Reapers, but that's irrelevant for ME3.

[fatalmaverick]

 My thoughts on EAs business practices regarding this issue:

www.youtube.com/watch

[TheRealJayDee]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

You know who I wish was here?  GMag 

dat b hella tru i miss my homie tbh

Everything would be better with GMag...

[MageCeridan]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

I don't think those files exist on the disk because the cosmetic items are not that large in file size.

Whether you like the argument or not, that's not really an issue.

In some ways its entirely the issue, your argument is it that it is up to YOU to tell bioware when their game is complete and when it isnt. You are basicaly saying that you should decide what content is finished or not, "How dare they not finish something but leave some files from it my Game is incomplete" <-- this is opinion and not any grounds for a logical argument that you can use to suport a claim that Bioware should be entitled in any way to give you what you want. You are basicaly saying that you want them to waste time and resources to go through and rearchive files that contain cut content because you feel that its very existance makes your game incomplete. 

As I mentioned earlier by your argument you could just as easily say that no game ever produced is completed because stuff was cut and it should be in the game simply because you think it should have been completed instead of cut.

Or you are alternately demanding that they spend their development time to remove things that are imbeded into the game beacuse you dont want them there becaue the existance of files that you will never even see anything from in the game somehow lessens your gameplay experience.

They are free to leave incomplete files as long as they indicate it ON THE PACKAGING.

If the Game Box says Prothean DLC £10 extra that's fine. What is not fine is sneaking in extra costs just because they removed something that should have been there.

Interesting aside
 
 412.675

MassEffect 3 unboxing 23.545

So, they must put on the packaging EVERY LINE OF CODE THAT WAS DUMIED OUT???????

how stupid that requirement can be.....

[nightcobra]

MageCeridan wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

MageCeridan wrote...
ME2 had 3 versions:
SE, 
CE,
DDE.

I should know, I have the DDE from steam on my disk...

But they all had Zaeed/CN if you bought them new?

Yes, but they did have the Collectors weapon and armor as well as the incisor Rifle.

All 3 versions had the Cerberus Network. However, as mentionned somewhere else, the Cerberus Network was the Online pass of ME2 (attempt at preventing used games market) while in ME3, that function is now the multi-player(instead of DLCs).
DDE/CE buyers paid to get a discount on a type of content (DLC/Music) while SE paid to have access to the base story.

I would not be surprised if the Prothean appears in game in ME3 even without the DLC but can  only become part of your team if you have the DLC.

like the warden's keep?

*shepard dialog wheel to prothean*

                                                                         can you help us? (please purchase the DLC)
          what's the mission?           ()
                                                                         i should go

[MageCeridan]

Aspiriini wrote...

I was about to write a well-mannered reply, but then i realized there had been a dozen of them already that have gotten us nowhere.

Biodrones.

Oh look, another [REDACTED] person...


PS: yes, this is my bad attempt at being sarcastic

Modifié par MageCeridan, 23 février 2012 - 09:18 .

[Exia001]

rainasa wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...


We still don't know of the significance of this new character but him being a prothean is surely something else than Zaeed. You MUST understand that. I would argue that a new character IS going to change the experience of the players using it but as it now stands only people willing to pay another 20$ or whatever will experience it. I truly love the ME series and have been looking forward to ME3 it since ME2 but am I a lesser fan because I don't want to pay extra to recieve a greater experience?

it has nothing to do with how big of a fan you are. the prothean squadmate will provide a unique perspective  and new lore, but it will not change the main game in any large manner. you simply FEEL that it is manditory  for your experience, that is an opinion and you have every right to it but at the same time as a DLC it is extra content and bioware is not required to give it you for free simply becaue you dont want to pay for somthing you feel you deserve.

Someone give this Human a medal

[CommanderCoffee]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Descedent wrote...



has everyone seen this? pretty soon this will be close in views till how many day1 me3 sales across all 3 platforms.

shame couldn't be more

Sales that low on day 1 would be pretty horrible

Because making sales low would solve the problem. EA would cut Bioware, no more Bioware games because they can't get dev money. Nice job, you killed one of the story-centric companies out there. I suggest you go after Obsidian next, I hear they actually give a crap what the game is about.

[Draconis6666]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


CE - complete game
SE - complete game if you pay £10 more.

So then you would be ok with it if the base game cost $70 and everyone got it for free?

more like ok if it was handled like ME2, 60 bucks and everyone got it free. too much to keep a consistent business practice?

Because prices cannot stay at $60 and keep up with inflation so they can either cover their growth that their shareholders expect them to show with alternate forms of revenue such as DLC or they can increase the cost of games, your buying a Luxury good when you buy a video game. In many cases gamers are rediculously spoiled because game prices are still close to what they were 10 years ago. Go compare by contrast the price of a Movie ticket with one now, or the price of a diamond ring 10 years ago vs what it costs now. 

Money doesnt work by saying $10 always = $10 sure it does on a nominal level but $10 in 1999 =/= $10 in 2012 its more like $10 in 1999 = $13 or $14 in 2012

[ArkkAngel007]

Aspiriini wrote...

I was about to write a well-mannered reply, but then i realized there had been a dozen of them already that have gotten us nowhere.

Biodrones.

So you spam with a biodrone one-liner?

If you feel you have a well-thought out opinion on the matter, then share it.  If people piledrive it or uplift it, it doesn't matter.  What matters is that you're opinion is out there.

But just generalizing a group with such a simpleton and arogant term is not going to get you anywhere.

[jeckaldied]

Redacted

Modifié par jeckaldied, 23 février 2012 - 09:17 .

[Descedent]

jeckaldied wrote...

fatalmaverick wrote...

 My thoughts on EAs business practices regarding this issue:

www.youtube.com/watch

Dude, not only are you not TB but wording your post to sound like its your video, that video has been linked like 200 times this thread.

I wholeheartidly agree with the video and I'm tired of seeing it linked, the people who are going to care have seen it already.

click the link idiot, it's his own video

[nightcobra]

rainasa wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...



more like ok if it was handled like ME2, 60 bucks and everyone got it free. too much to keep a consistent business practice?

zaeed was "free" so people would continue to buy a new version of the game. for mass effect 3 multiplayer takes that role so the squadmate was released as part of the CE and as day one DLC, their business practice is consistent.

so let me guess....the multiplayer is also locked for used games? i'm all for reducing the used sales market but expecting the fanbase to shill out 10$ of multiplayer and 10$ of the prothean to get the whole game up to this point because if so it is borderline ludicrous.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 23 février 2012 - 09:16 .

[AkiKishi]

fropas wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


CE - complete game
SE - complete game if you pay £10 more.

So then you would be ok with it if the base game cost $70 and everyone got it for free?

I never thought of this before, funny how this solves everyones problems but no one likes it

Make it happen BW!

I'm fine with it. Whether Bioware could pull it off though who knows.This is why they prefer to sneak things like day 1 DLC under the radar.

[Raanz]

I am so lost in this thread....there is no singular point to be made apparently.

Bottom line is if you pre-ordered the game and you are still getting what you paid for, then there is no issue. UNLESS you are wanting more without paying for it.

One guy is stuck on an idea that there is stuff on the disc that he can't access. That argument would not hold up in court. If you have ever read and I mean read an EULA, you know that you are not buying anything...you are licensing it. You are not entitled to all elements of the code that resides on a disc.

[Draconis6666]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Descedent wrote...



has everyone seen this? pretty soon this will be close in views till how many day1 me3 sales across all 3 platforms.

shame couldn't be more

Sales that low on day 1 would be pretty horrible

Because making sales low would solve the problem. EA would cut Bioware, no more Bioware games because they can't get dev money. Nice job, you killed one of the story-centric companies out there. I suggest you go after Obsidian next, I hear they actually give a crap what the game is about.

Like 5% of the people who have watched that video have even bothered to state they agree with it anyway. All that video shows for sure is that there are 20,000 people who agree which is a pitiful portion of the market share. Yesterday that video had 130k views and 20k likes now it has 400k views and 20k likes thats not indicative of an overwhelming growth of support for the issue.

[Yuoaman]

Please stop slinging insults, guys, there's no reason not to be civil.

[MageCeridan]

Draconis6666 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


CE - complete game
SE - complete game if you pay £10 more.

So then you would be ok with it if the base game cost $70 and everyone got it for free?

more like ok if it was handled like ME2, 60 bucks and everyone got it free. too much to keep a consistent business practice?

Because prices cannot stay at $60 and keep up with inflation so they can either cover their growth that their shareholders expect them to show with alternate forms of revenue such as DLC or they can increase the cost of games, your buying a Luxury good when you buy a video game. In many cases gamers are rediculously spoiled because game prices are still close to what they were 10 years ago. Go compare by contrast the price of a Movie ticket with one now, or the price of a diamond ring 10 years ago vs what it costs now. 

Money doesnt work by saying $10 always = $10 sure it does on a nominal level but $10 in 1999 =/= $10 in 2012 its more like $10 in 1999 = $13 or $14 in 2012

F = 10(F/P, i, n) ?

Yea to mutch finance management in the last few days because of that exam.

[Draconis6666]

BobSmith101 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


CE - complete game
SE - complete game if you pay £10 more.

So then you would be ok with it if the base game cost $70 and everyone got it for free?

I never thought of this before, funny how this solves everyones problems but no one likes it

Make it happen BW!

I'm fine with it. Whether Bioware could pull it off though who knows.This is why they prefer to sneak things like day 1 DLC under the radar.

Wouldnt be hard at all, Activsion already wants to charge you $70 for games, all EA has to do is decide they agree and do the same and the bluk of the market is suddenly charging you $70 for all their games. They wont be significantly impacted because the rest of the market is a tiny portion of their share together.

[Omega Torsk]

Yuoaman wrote...

Please stop slinging insults, guys, there's no reason not to be civil.

No, keep it up! Gives Woo a reason to lock this thread!

[Shinji Ex]

That's the worst excuse I've ever heard.

There is no reason why players should not get "From Ashes" "FREE"
as long they buy Mass Effect 3 new and redeem the online pass
in all copies of the game.

Modifié par Shinji Ex, 23 février 2012 - 09:18 .

[fropas]

BobSmith101 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


CE - complete game
SE - complete game if you pay £10 more.

So then you would be ok with it if the base game cost $70 and everyone got it for free?

I never thought of this before, funny how this solves everyones problems but no one likes it

Make it happen BW!

I'm fine with it. Whether Bioware could pull it off though who knows.This is why they prefer to sneak things like day 1 DLC under the radar.

Once again, the info was leaked. They haven't made an official annoucement/trailer yet. give them some time.