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[Genshie]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

I fear most people aren't willing to accept the fact that BioWare is in the wrong.

So people are complaining about $10...? I understand that to some people that may actually be something. But really? Not saying anyone here is poor but still.

[GuyIncognito21]

Seems to me there are two options:

1) This is vital narrative content that no game maker respectful of its audience would demand extra money for... in which case it should be included in every game from the jump; or

2) this is not vital narrative content, the importance of which EA and Bioware are willfully allowing to be massively overstated in a disrespectful attempt to milk their loyal customers dry... in which case it should either be included from the jump or not exist at all.

I just fail to see how there can be any rationale on which this scheme shows anything but contempt for the very people who've supported this franchise from the beginning and made the conclusion of this narrative even possible.

And I also note with immense cynicism the fact that the forum is no longer allowing new registrations is awfully convenient considering recent events.

[RiouHotaru]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

can people ever be happy honestly?


current actions from fans protesting against this makes me really depressed

With this?

Nope.

True, because that picture is a lie.

[Yuoaman]

I've said it before and I'll save it again, did you lose so much on ME2 that you couldn't follow the same, fairly ethical, business model?

Did you have to pull this crap on your fans?

[Draconis6666]

Yuoaman wrote...

The fact is that the Prothean squad mate is ABSOLUTELY FREAKING HUGE in terms of Mass Effect lor ie, yet Bioware is charging you money. Imagine if they removed something less important, like Tali or Garrus, from the game and charged you $10 for it.

There would be rioting in the damned streets.

An opionin that i personaly think isnt even that valid, it has the POTENTIAL to be, but does not have to be by nessecity simply because its a Prothean. Its not a ****ing Reaper squad member whos going to explain the entire plot of the game. Its the last member of a dead race who can tell you a bunch of crap about his dead race that has no relevance to the current situation or at best some borderline information on the reapers that MIGHT be applicable.

[Sudsaroo]

Why should any of you who didn't buy Collector's Edition be given the DLC for free?

[Almostfaceman]

[quote]El Ejcovero wrote...

[quote]Almostfaceman wrote...


Actually, you are wrong. The entirety of the DLC was not complete before the core game was certified. It was built in parallel with and after the core game.

It is extra content for the CE.

Now, if you didn't buy the CE, the question is, how soon did you want your hands on this extra content they get?[/quote] 

How does that change anything? That just proves my point further:

This is wrong.
They honestly think that just because it was made seperately it makes it right? Why are you buying this? I am making a statement for your own good. It is just like the Deus Ex developers blaming the stupid parts of their game (the bosses) to another studio, yeah, but that doesn't make it right and it doesn't remove the fact the elephant in the room is still in the room. Developers blaming others, blamign EA doesn't change the fact this is unacceptable and boycott worthy.[/quote]
[/quote]

It does change your point. Your images are implying that something essential is being left out. It's been said for MONTHS that this is BONUS content for the CE. So, the image of the Mona Lisa missing a piece of her face is wrong. Dead wrong. The Prothean squadmate, if you choose not to buy him, does not keep you or anyone else from achieving the "perfect ending".

Now, unless you can prove that this was cut content on purpose, completed before the game went gold, you're just voicing an opinion, which is being contradicted by the developers. I believe the devs over you.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 22 février 2012 - 11:57 .

[LucretoDrakor]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

LucretoDrakor wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

I'm not bothered that the CE edition is getting an exclusive character, but I AM bothered it is a Prothean. If it were some human merc like Zaeed or Kasumi then woop de doo, keep him. But a Prothean is important to the story, and it is taking out a chunk of it.

CE pay for it. You can pay for it. Are you retarded or what there is nothing to complain about.

Don't you have any sence of morals or are you just so brainwashed your willing to give EA more money and reward them for this bull**** way of doing business?

Hey kid. I have money I bought CE to get DLC and stuff like that. Do I get it ? Yes. You pay for standard peasant edition and expect to have the same thing?... seriously...

Haha. No. I can buy the CE if I wanted to I don't expect to get the same as that if I was to buy the standard edition its a friggen pipe dream. Do you really think its worth it in the end this isn't about me whineing about not getting what a CE gets its about you and others just willing to let EA sell this stuff as they do when it would make alot more sence to put it all together. You won't admit to yourself that their doing anything wrong by putting content away from people in such a way its been done in many forms over the years evolveing till the presnt day where people just eat up all the crap they spew out. From what I read it might not even be worth having the character they ruined a perfectly good story element to just have as a side squadmate.

Modifié par LucretoDrakor, 22 février 2012 - 11:55 .

[rumbalumba]

[quote]Tazzmission wrote...

can people ever be happy honestly?


current actions from fans protesting against this makes me really depressed[/quote]


[/quote]

LMAO so you're happy to shell out $10-$20 more i.e. 1/6th of the game's FULL price just to get a squadmate and a mission? now THAT'S depressing.

[AxisEvolve]

Genshie wrote...

DJBare wrote...

15,024 likes, 583 dislikes
It's not the figure, it's the margin.

You know that if TB never made this video most of this ****ing/complaining wouldn't even exist? This is mob mentality at its finest. I am not saying it is wrong I just find it hilarious. Because TB made obvious mistakes in the video and is clearly flustered.

People have been voicing concern regarding the Prothean using the exact same points made in that video for months now. It wasn't as in your face as it is right now but now that an "internet famous" person on Youtube made a video about it more people are aware of this issue.

I don't view it negatively though. I don't see it as "I hate ME3, boycott Bioware." but more along the lines of "we expect better from you as a quality developer and know you can do better." People's reactions to the video have been less articulate than how he handled his concerns though, that's for sure. And certainly less pleasant. You don't get a response from a developer by excessively insulting them.

[Xenogias]

I would also like to point out to everyone saying "he better impact the story!". Who's to say its the ONLY prothean in ME3. Even if he is who is to say the main game itself doesnt play out his huge part even without the DLC. Maybe the DLC is just a couple added quests to get him to join. Once he joins he is just like every other DLC character from ME2. Lets face it, the DLC characters are nice to have but if his big impact is played out in the regular version of the game that argument is worthless.

Again, I'm not getting ME3. But I'm not looking for excuses to make people see it my way.

[Yuoaman]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Seems to me there are two options:

1) This is vital narrative content that no game maker respectful of its audience would demand extra money for... in which case it should be included in every game from the jump; or

2) this is not vital narrative content, the importance of which EA and Bioware are willfully allowing to be massively overstated in a disrespectful attempt to milk their loyal customers dry... in which case it should either be included from the jump or not exist at all.

I just fail to see how there can be any rationale on which this scheme shows anything but contempt for the very people who've supported this franchise from the beginning and made the conclusion of this narrative even possible.

And I also note with immense cynicism the fact that the forum is no longer allowing new registrations is awfully convenient considering recent events.

Agreed entirely.

[El Ejcovero]

Tazzmission wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

I fear most people aren't willing to accept the fact that BioWare is in the wrong.

your a tool if you really believe that.


so you expect someones hard work just be free right because thats how you see the world?

If you are willing to accept this:
You are the tool. Seriously fanboy, look at reality, this is just a milking for a few extra dollars. Unethical and unacceptable.

[Draconis6666]

Almostfaceman wrote...
This is wrong.

It does change your point. Your images are implying that something essential is being left out. It's been said for MONTHS that this is BONUS content for the CE. So, the image of the Mona Lisa missing a piece of her face is wrong. Dead wrong. The Prothean squadmate, if you choose not to buy him, does not keep you or anyone else from achieving the "perfect ending".

Now, unless you can prove that this was cut content on purpose, completed before the game went gold, you're just voicing an opinion, which is being contradicted by the developers. I believe the devs over you.

Also wrong because it ignores the fact that game prices have not increased significnatly in relation to the devaluation of currency due to inflation.

Modifié par Draconis6666, 22 février 2012 - 11:57 .

[Ironsandshrew]

This is so dumb, how people are going crazy over this, Bioware is giving an opportunity for those of us who couldn't get the CE to get an extra character that we wouldn't have gotten otherwise. 90% of games do crazy dlc b.s. and we gobble them up anyways, people need to relax, ME3 is still gonna be great with or without this character.

[RiouHotaru]

Here's a novel idea folks, for all of you claiming to be going to disregard Bioware till the day you die:

Wait to see what happens when the game comes out. Let those of us (like myself), get the game like we intended to, and show you/tell you what Prothy says/what role he has.

Then decide if you're going to swear an eternal blood feud or not.

[PSUHammer]

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

This.  I have never seen so much whining in my life.  OF COURSE they are trying to make money!  Duh!
Why do some of you feel so entitled?

I spent $10 on lunch today...just man (or woman) up and buy it if you want it!  It's a game!!

[packardbell]

LinksOcarina wrote...

packardbell wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

packardbell wrote...

I can't believe people are trying to justify this decision. I've bought every single one of their games and pieces of DLC, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, milking your loyal customers of a purchase that should be available to all is downright insulting and makes me want to cancel my pre-order right away... maybe this will be my last Bioware purchase until they change their business ethics.. or at least EA.

tl;dr: It should be included for everyone, I see no reason why it wasn't, ala Sebastian, Zaeed and Shale... all available for free for loyal customers.

Sebastian wasn't free for customers who didn't get the signature edtion of the game. And people moaned over the fact that Zaeed and Shale were free for new buyers only at the time too, complaining that signing up and getting them for free over the cost of 10-15 dollars after the fact is wrong. 

So honestly, it doesn't matter how Bioware does things, because people will always think they are entitled to something that was made into a planned extra.

If you pre-ordered DA2 before a certain time then your copy would get a free upgrade to the signature edition which would include Sebastian and other bits of content at no extra cost, yes I would rather it be avaliable to all day 1 purchases of the game but it's still much better than this situation.. and Sebastian wasn't really intregal to the game, was just a nice character to have. But again it was a bonus to all the loyal customers who pre-order from day 1. Spin it al lyou want but this is not acceptable.

It's the same damn thing though. The character is extra content at no cost for those who got the collectors edition, and is optional content for those who wish to download it. If they decided to upgrade everything to the collectors edition suddenly to include the Prothean code in the box, people would still complain despite getting their way.

I'm not spinning anything really, i'm calling people out on the fact that their behavior towards this is unacceptable because its the choice of the company to do what they please with the product.

I don't care about CE's, why should loyal customers be punished for not buying the CE? Which I might add should only be purchased for the physical contents and not in-game stuff. They could of easily pleased the CE holders but adding actually more swag and not useless in-game DLC like a robot dog or alternative outfits.

[Darji]

Genshie wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

what a bunch of bullcrap.

"the DLC is developed by a separate team after the game was finished"
- sorry, but no one believes you.

How is that not a reasonable response. The same thing happened for Kasumi and her dlc as well as Lair of the Shadow Broker. Dialogue was there content wasn't cause it wasn't made as of yet.

It would have been totally ok for a normal character. No one would actually complain about that. But this is a prothean and this is a HUGE deal if you actually care about the whole story.

[Yuoaman]

Xenogias wrote...

I would also like to point out to everyone saying "he better impact the story!". Who's to say its the ONLY prothean in ME3. Even if he is who is to say the main game itself doesnt play out his huge part even without the DLC. Maybe the DLC is just a couple added quests to get him to join. Once he joins he is just like every other DLC character from ME2. Lets face it, the DLC characters are nice to have but if his big impact is played out in the regular version of the game that argument is worthless.

Again, I'm not getting ME3. But I'm not looking for excuses to make people see it my way.

He is the only Prothean.

[TheOptimist]

Dionkey wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...
So again, if they'd just waited to complete it and announced it 3 months later, you'd have no problem with it?  It was always going to be DLC, you really need to just accept that.  We've known it would be DLC for months.  Just because the team assigned to it completed it in time to be released at the same time as the actual game doesn't entitle you to get it for free. 

If they announced it 3 months later, I would give them the benefit of the doubt and accept the idea that it was no finished by developement time. You're subscribing to this idea that if it's released afterwards, there's a good chance that it was finished beforehand, but that's just ignorant assumptions.

Actually, I'm saying there's no difference, except that if you had your way, we'd all be waiting another 3 months for something we could have had Day 1, if not for the incessant *****ing of people who think $60 entitles them to everything a company produces during a given timeframe.  I'm also saying this is likely to become future practice if people keep whining about Day 1 dlc.  The company will still designate certain things as DLC, they simply won't release them until later to bypass all the drama.

TheOptimist wrote... 
No, it isn't, because this character was always going to be DLC.  He has not been advertised with the game. His importance to mass effect lore is irrelevant, it is information unnecessary for you to complete ME3.  Again, if they'd sliced it up the way you suggest, far fewer people would buy it because no one wants to buy core games piecemeal.  But this content was always planned as DLC, and I have no issues with paying that money (or in my case, paying for it as part of the CE). 

Content is content. Why they would develope something as day-1 DLC is beyond me if they're not trying to scam people. If you're planning DLC further down the line, fine, but don't plan day-1 DLC, you're just planning to rip people off.

How is it a ripoff if you're STILL getting the game as planned?  That's what makes no sense.  This was ALWAYS DLC.  It was never going to be part of the game as long as we've known about it.  They decided to split off from the game during production, and a separate team worked on it while others focused on finishing the rest of the game.  You're not entitled to it just because that team did a good job and finished it quickly.

Modifié par TheOptimist, 22 février 2012 - 11:57 .

[Sledge454]

I can't believe there is arguing over this.

A Prothean character and missions is pretty much part of the basic plot. It should not be optional.

DLC for new guns, armor, and K9 from Doctor Who? Fine. But not a major plot point.

Modifié par Sledge454, 22 février 2012 - 11:57 .

[Dithon1]

What is this BS? Charging $10 EXTRA to get a Prothean (A PROTHEAN) squadmate. Do you have any idea how big of an impact a living Prothean would have on Mass Effect's story? How can you, BioWare, find this acceptable?

You're releasing an unfinished game to a waiting public that (myself included) is hyped to the tenth power about, and then charging us EXTRA for VERY IMPORTANT content.


Screw you, BioWare/EA. This is part of the reason why people pirate games.

[Sargerus]

Marionetten wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

Just like how Baldur's Gate would have been a complete game without Imoen. Or Jade Empire without Black Whirlwild. How about Mass Effect without Wrex, would you consider that complete too?

You can keep saying it but that doesn't make it true. Belittling your fanbase with more petty lies is not going to remedy this situation.

Obviously you already played the game then....