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[Draconis6666]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

we're already paying 70 euros in my country, or 69,99 as they like to call it.
80 euros for a standard edition is a definite no-no on this one.

Yet you may end up paying that anyway if companies cant make money wiht DLC. If they think they cant make money with DLC anymore they will raise the price of games. if EA and Activision decided to raise the price of their games $10 across the board it wouldnt leave you with a whole lot of options. You'd either be forced to pay the new prices or lose access to the majority of the market of new games that are released. 

Or just rent/buy used.

Used game prices would go up too, even renting would though not as dramaticaly.

[_symphony]

fropas wrote...
Yes I think you criticism is wholly unconstructive and unreasonable.   

Suit yourself, but I was hoping you will give me better arguments than a deadline and blind faith in BioWare.

[Nohvarr]

Kithrus wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Shinji Ex wrote...

That's the worst excuse I've ever heard.

There is no reason why players should not get "From Ashes" "FREE"
as long they buy Mass Effect 3 new and redeem the online pass
in all copies of the game.

other than the fact that multiplayer takes that role for this game? i understand if you disagree with it but it is far too late to change anything now, hell, i dont think 11 days is enough time for them to make more copies of the codes let alone put it into the millions of game cases that im willing to bet have already shipped.

Then make it free.....

Except that CE advertised a new companion and mission last year when it came up for purchase. It was a selling point and one of the many reasons people preordered the CE last year. So now you want to take that away from people who bought early because you realize this character might be more interesting than Zaeed or Kasumi?

[AlanC9]

Draconis6666 wrote...
Money doesnt work by saying $10 always = $10 sure it does on a nominal level but $10 in 1999 =/= $10 in 2012 its more like $10 in 1999 = $13 or $14 in 2012

Damn good guess. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics $10 in 1999 = $13.61 in 2012.

[TheStoner]

JakeMacDon wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

You really think thats the actual definition of insanity don't you?
 

 

Uh... no..., but it's close.  I do hope you're being deliberately obtuse.

 
Also neurons travel about as fast as the brian that contains them.

 

Uh... no...  neurons carry electrical charges (thoughts) and those charges move approximately 200 mph.  Considering the distance they have to travel that's virtually instantaneous.  I have no idea how fast they move in Brian's brain. Unless you're Brian, then I can make an educated guess....

 
Maybe you were thinking of electrons or neutrinos?

No... my neurons are firing up to speed, thanks.

Neurons are cells. Cells don't move relative to the body. The signals sent by neurons consist of electrons and I wasn't being obtuse insanity is in simple terms abnormal behaviour. your definition is way too specific.

[Atakuma]

Bluumberry wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

Then make it free.....

Heaven forbid people who work to actually get paid for their labor!

They have already been paid.

[JamesShepard777]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

We still don't know of the significance of this new character but him being a prothean is surely something else than Zaeed. You MUST understand that. I would argue that a new character IS going to change the experience of the players using it but as it now stands only people willing to pay another 20$ or whatever will experience it. I truly love the ME series and have been looking forward to ME3 it since ME2 but am I a lesser fan because I don't want to pay extra to recieve a greater experience?

Why must he be significant?  Because he's a Prothean?  The very fact that he's DLC excludes him from being critical to the development of the plot, as Bioware's DLC characters have NEVER been that important to the plot.  It's almost amusing that people are demanding he be significant simply because he's a Prothean, despite the fact he may have little if anything to do with the actions of his race.

And again, you're not going to miss anything because you do or don't have him.  He does enrich the lore, yes.  But does he tell you anything plot-relevant you couldn't have learned otherwise?  No.

Imagine removing Thane for ME2. What would change? Nothing. Would it have made ME2 a lesser experience? Hell yeah.

Huge difference here.  Thane is an important element to ME2's plot because he's required to be picked up by the player.  You -can't- skip him, even if you wanted to.  Ironically the only character you CAN skip that isn't DLC is Grunt, simply by not letting him out of the tank.  The difference is that Thane is mandatory.  The Prothean is not.

People constantly try to compare the Prothean to integral, plot-critical characters when the analogy does NOT fit.

You clearly haven't played Mass Effect 2 if you think Thane was a mandatory pickup.

I'd reiterate what I've already said, but it's clearly going to fall on deaf ears.

[MissOuJ]

Atakuma wrote...

All they would have to do is make it free to download, there's no need for extra codes.

What makes anyone entitled to it for free?

I'm paying about €90 for my CE - I ordered it specificly for the extra squad member plus the soundtrack, I'm not big on comics or the rest of the extra stuff: it's nice and all, but not the reason I'm forking €20 extra for. So why should you or anyone else playing less get the same stuff I get, even when I pay more?

[TobyHasEyes]

 Anti-DLC people have ruined this thread

 :happy:

Modifié par TobyHasEyes, 23 février 2012 - 09:33 .

[Schattenwaechter96]

I personally think that he realy isnt important for the major story line. Bioware said that every question will be answered in ME3, and I dont think they included DLC`s in this words. He definitly will be an interesting character, but I guess you will meet other protheans aswell. And I didnt played ME-ME2 only to say "no" to that game, only because they sell an cool character  as an DLC. Some of you are right with there arguments regarding this unfairness. But seriously guys... this one who start to complain about the DayOne DLC are these ones who missed to pre-order the CE and are angry now ^^.... nah only joking a bit. But come on... you didnt walk that long way only to say "no".... thats just meh.

Modifié par Schattenwächter96, 23 février 2012 - 09:33 .

[Lufven1]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

We still don't know of the significance of this new character but him being a prothean is surely something else than Zaeed. You MUST understand that. I would argue that a new character IS going to change the experience of the players using it but as it now stands only people willing to pay another 20$ or whatever will experience it. I truly love the ME series and have been looking forward to ME3 it since ME2 but am I a lesser fan because I don't want to pay extra to recieve a greater experience?

Why must he be significant?  Because he's a Prothean?  The very fact that he's DLC excludes him from being critical to the development of the plot, as Bioware's DLC characters have NEVER been that important to the plot.  It's almost amusing that people are demanding he be significant simply because he's a Prothean, despite the fact he may have little if anything to do with the actions of his race.

And again, you're not going to miss anything because you do or don't have him.  He does enrich the lore, yes.  But does he tell you anything plot-relevant you couldn't have learned otherwise?  No.

Imagine removing Thane for ME2. What would change? Nothing. Would it have made ME2 a lesser experience? Hell yeah.

Huge difference here.  Thane is an important element to ME2's plot because he's required to be picked up by the player.  You -can't- skip him, even if you wanted to.  Ironically the only character you CAN skip that isn't DLC is Grunt, simply by not letting him out of the tank.  The difference is that Thane is mandatory.  The Prothean is not.

People constantly try to compare the Prothean to integral, plot-critical characters when the analogy does NOT fit.

I said "imagine removing Thane". I know you have to get certain character for the main story but does he adds anything to the main plot? He's just a side character with his own misson and dialogue. Removing him would not change the main story, it would just continue without him. Prothy™ is like most of the non-essential-to-the-plot-character in that removing him would not change a bit but adding him enhances the story.

[Bluumberry]

AlanC9 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
Money doesnt work by saying $10 always = $10 sure it does on a nominal level but $10 in 1999 =/= $10 in 2012 its more like $10 in 1999 = $13 or $14 in 2012

Damn good guess. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics $10 in 1999 = $13.61 in 2012.

Draconis knows his stuff

[Draconis6666]

AlanC9 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
Money doesnt work by saying $10 always = $10 sure it does on a nominal level but $10 in 1999 =/= $10 in 2012 its more like $10 in 1999 = $13 or $14 in 2012

Damn good guess. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics $10 in 1999 = $13.61 in 2012.

So in other words if you paid 59.99 for a game in 1999 then you paid the equivalentn of $81-82 for it today, or if you paid 49.99 you paid the equivalent of $68 dollars today and yet people are complaining.

[The Enforcer OS]

Draconis6666 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It's whether or not the market would take it.  Likely it would just make the used games market even larger.

The publisher do lose a crap load of money via the used games market which is why I don't mind online passes. As long as they don't involve an additional cost.

Charging for day 1 DLC is just backdoor price increases for something that you should have paid for.

Even if you agree with that completely word for word which I dont, I agree with the concept but thats the beauty of DLC. They are giving you the option to pay less for the game and not have access to something that you might not even want instead of forcing you to take the thing you might or might not want and pay $10 or have access to nothing including the main game.

People screaming against DLC have valid points when they talk about that it could be dangerious if companies start selling you critical parts of the game for extra. But at the same time they are in a way screaming "I don't want options as a consumer. Force me to spend more money on the whole product or nothing at all"

I understand the option to segment a game to get it out the door for cheap.  Issues with this are
1) Content is on disc meaning that it should be available
2) There is no option down the road to buy a hard copy version for those who want to have all the content.  It's all still DLC

In order to pacify those who want to spend more and those who want to spend less.  There needs to be different forms of hard copy discs.  1) For cheap for those who don't want DLC 2) One with content on disc for those will to spend more and will get more. Will that happen? No, but it needs to get this DLC situation under control.

[rainasa]

Atakuma wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

Then make it free.....

Heaven forbid people who work to actually get paid for their labor!

They have already been paid.

no, they where getting paid for mass effect 3, from ashes was made by the DLC team while the game went through certification.

[Draythe]

The whole DLC situation with Mass Effect 3 is dirty business. Bought and played the last two Mass Effects, will not be playing this one. Try to justify it all you like, a Prothean party member of all things is not something that should have been excluded from the main game if it was going to be in it at all. It's like taking the Lord of the Rings trilogy, removing Gollum and charging $10 to view the scenes with him in it. Day-one DLC is an ugly practice and not one I choose to support, even if it means missing out on the end of a series I really enjoyed.

Modifié par Draythe, 23 février 2012 - 09:35 .

[ArkkAngel007]

rainasa wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

Then make it free.....

Heaven forbid people who work to actually get paid for their labor!

They have already been paid.

no, they where getting paid for mass effect 3, from ashes was made by the DLC team while the game went through certification.

And the money they rely on the most are the quarterly checks post-game releases, which is dependent on game sales; or whatever is left over after the publishers and the corporate end get their bloated share I should say.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 23 février 2012 - 09:35 .

[AkiKishi]

AlanC9 wrote...

Heh --- I guess ME1's diclosures would have to include things like the gay male romance tracks.

Both KotOR games had whole planets cut. I guess both Obsidian and Bioware cheated Bob.

I think the PEGI stuff covers that. Not allowed to descriminate btween ******/hetro so it's one rating. Likely different in other countries.

Not sure that was by intent and they did pay for the incomplete nature of the game.

I'm much more interested in things that they stick up as day 1 DLC being on the box. Not long ago we had a massive relable of "honest in food". It's high time the same happened to games.

[lrrose]

Again, is Bioware forcing you to buy this DLC?

[Bluumberry]

Draythe wrote...

The whole DLC situation with Mass Effect 3 is dirty business. Bought and played the last two Mass Effects, will not be playing this one. Try to justify all you like, a Prothean party member of all things is not something that should have been excluded from the main game if it was going to be in it at all. It's like taking the Lord of the Rings trilogy, removing Gollum and charging $10 to view the scenes with him in it. Day-one DLC is an ugly practice and not one I choose to support, even if it means missing out on the end of a series I really enjoyed.

Damn now that you made that point...why wasn't this made available!? I'd have paid extra to not see Gollum!

[Random citizen]

Without having followed the discussion here, I just want to make some things clear.

This is poorly done.

Yes, we hear that this character and mission is not vital or important, but REALLY, isn't this a baffling combination: 1 A living Prothean 2. Not important for the story. Why anyone would conceive not making a living Prothean squad-member one of the story centre-pieces is... Well, that it looks like a missed opportunity is an understatement.

Modifié par Random citizen, 23 février 2012 - 09:42 .

[fropas]

_symphony wrote...

fropas wrote...
Yes I think you criticism is wholly unconstructive and unreasonable.   

Suit yourself, but I was hoping you will give me better arguments than a deadline and blind faith in BioWare.

Sorry I couldn't convince you one way or the other, but I do have hope in BW. Hope is only useful in hopeless situations afterall, and the game has already gone "gold" I'd be surprised if they weren;t already mass producing the discs. If you think they can change the plot a this point I think you're being unreasonable, so no argument would be good enough for you anyway.

[squee365]

How long until this topic exhausts itself?

[Chozo_Hybrid]

Why all the hate for this? It's just because its day one right? If it was witheld a few months and released would this be an issue?

I thought it was a reward for me forking out an extra $50 (in my country games are over priced in general) to get all the extra stuff. Now they give the option to those without buying the CE, the chance to experience everything anyway. I would have thought this a good thing?

[Daithin]

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

Quoted becouse I think it needs to be read again.

You guys really believe so poorly in the Dev's don't you? They explain this stuff over and over again and yet people still don't comprehend. Gaming is not a Free enterprise. Development time costs time and money. Even if you think the Company is being Greedy I can almost a sure you they aren't. They are gamers just like us.

Given the Choice or the ability I bet they would buy the game, and its DLC's (If the wanted to buy them) just like the rest of us as well.

I just don't understand why people cant come to grips with the fact, people need to be paid in order for these games to be played by us.

Modifié par Daithin, 23 février 2012 - 09:38 .