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[DenizYe]

Schattenwächter96 wrote...

I personally think that he realy isnt important for the major story line. Bioware said that every question will be answered in ME3, and I dont think they included DLC`s in this words. He definitly will be an interesting character, but I guess you will meet other protheans aswell. And I didnt played ME-ME2 only to say "no" to that game, only because they sell an cool character  as an DLC. Some of you are right with there arguments regarding this unfairness. But seriously guys... this one who start to complain about the DayOne DLC are these ones who missed to pre-order the CE and are angry now ^^.... nah only joking a bit. But come on... you didnt walk that long way only to say "no".... thats just meh.

Thanks. That's what I'm thinking too

[rainasa]

The Enforcer OS wrote...

I understand the option to segment a game to get it out the door for cheap.  Issues with this are
1) Content is on disc meaning that it should be available
2) There is no option down the road to buy a hard copy version for those who want to have all the content.  It's all still DLC

In order to pacify those who want to spend more and those who want to spend less.  There needs to be different forms of hard copy discs.  1) For cheap for those who don't want DLC 2) One with content on disc for those will to spend more and will get more. Will that happen? No, but it needs to get this DLC situation under control.

there was also content from kasumi and LotSB on the mass effect two disc and judging from the 600mb download size it will be just basic leftover stuff like VO or an early model of the squadmate, the only diffrence between them and from ashes was that from ashes was, due to the DLC team working their asses off from ashes is going to be released as part of the CE and as day one dlc.

Modifié par rainasa, 23 février 2012 - 09:39 .

[Atakuma]

rainasa wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

Then make it free.....

Heaven forbid people who work to actually get paid for their labor!

They have already been paid.

no, they where getting paid for mass effect 3, from ashes was made by the DLC team while the game went through certification.

And they got paid for that too. You aren't taking money away from the people who worked on the game because they have already been payed for their work.

Modifié par Atakuma, 23 février 2012 - 09:39 .

[AkiKishi]

Draconis6666 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
Money doesnt work by saying $10 always = $10 sure it does on a nominal level but $10 in 1999 =/= $10 in 2012 its more like $10 in 1999 = $13 or $14 in 2012

Damn good guess. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics $10 in 1999 = $13.61 in 2012.

So in other words if you paid 59.99 for a game in 1999 then you paid the equivalentn of $81-82 for it today, or if you paid 49.99 you paid the equivalent of $68 dollars today and yet people are complaining.

It's actually pretty strange that the price of games has dropped I recall paying £45 for PS2 games on a regular basis now I rarely pay over £30. In Fact I just looked at my Baldurs Gate:DA2 £45.99 from GAME.

Maybe I was just less picky because it was not my money... But I think that was about the average.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 23 février 2012 - 09:38 .

[Kithrus]

Raanz wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Raanz wrote...

I am so lost in this thread....there is no singular point to be made apparently.

Bottom line is if you pre-ordered the game and you are still getting what you paid for, then there is no issue. UNLESS you are wanting more without paying for it.

One guy is stuck on an idea that there is stuff on the disc that he can't access. That argument would not hold up in court. If you have ever read and I mean read an EULA, you know that you are not buying anything...you are licensing it. You are not entitled to all elements of the code that resides on a disc.

Egh people need to stop confusing this with politics. This is consumers showing that they don't like certian business decisions. We arn't suing bioware so the legality is irrelevent.

Get over it...what politics?
You mean legality, like the law.  It has nothing to do with politics.  The law is relevant because some of you feel entitled to something that you are simply not.  Just trying to point out the obvious.

I am confused on why people feel cheated.  On March 6th, are you receiving a game that was offered to you to pre-order and you did under those pretenses or are you ****ing because you want something that will be available for free?
BSN has some of the worst farking whiners I have ever experienced (other then my kids)

The issues is that the contant isn't worth the extra money being paid.

Example mass effect 2 takes lets say 20 hrs. DLC for mass effect 2 mainly the missions based DLC Shadow Broken, Zaeed, Kitsume ect should be based around price wise content vs time = price.

So Shadow Broken takes say 2 hours just humor me. Mass effect as a whole sold at 60 was about 3 bucks to the hour.

Therefor Shadow Broker using that model should be about 6 dollars give or take which it is after taxes and other fees comes to 8 bucks.

That is fair.

How is paying 20 bucks extra for say maybe 1 hr extra of diolage and one mission worth that?

also it was made at the same time as the rest of the game why isn't it included?

so not only are they trying to get you to pay more for the game they are over charging on the time to content to price to make money.

That is not just and that is why I will not buy ME3.

Modifié par Kithrus, 23 février 2012 - 09:38 .

[Icy-Pinguin]

They should put this DLC for buying an unused/non-resold game like they did Dragon Age DLC: Shale

[Draconis6666]

The Enforcer OS wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It's whether or not the market would take it.  Likely it would just make the used games market even larger.

The publisher do lose a crap load of money via the used games market which is why I don't mind online passes. As long as they don't involve an additional cost.

Charging for day 1 DLC is just backdoor price increases for something that you should have paid for.

Even if you agree with that completely word for word which I dont, I agree with the concept but thats the beauty of DLC. They are giving you the option to pay less for the game and not have access to something that you might not even want instead of forcing you to take the thing you might or might not want and pay $10 or have access to nothing including the main game.

People screaming against DLC have valid points when they talk about that it could be dangerious if companies start selling you critical parts of the game for extra. But at the same time they are in a way screaming "I don't want options as a consumer. Force me to spend more money on the whole product or nothing at all"

I understand the option to segment a game to get it out the door for cheap.  Issues with this are
1) Content is on disc meaning that it should be available

The full content is not on the disc though, how do you expect them to give you content that was incomplete at the time the game was finalized to go to manufacturing. Say when the game was sent for Certification that the Prothean's voice over and model were complete. Do you want them to give you a companion who can talk but whos model doesnt move and has no animations?

Or alternately you want them to remove files that are already completed for something that they KNOW they will release as DLC simply because you dont want it on your disc? I would think most people expecialy those with limited internet connections would appreicate the ability to only have to download 600mb of the content instead of say 1.2 gigs or whatever the content equaled including the content that was ready at certification and put on the disc

2) There is no option down the road to buy a hard copy version for those who want to have all the content.  It's all still DLC

This happens all the time its what GOTY editions etc are

In order to pacify those who want to spend more and those who want to spend less.  There needs to be different forms of hard copy discs.  1) For cheap for those who don't want DLC 2) One with content on disc for those will to spend more and will get more. Will that happen? No, but it needs to get this DLC situation under control.

[Random citizen]

lrrose wrote...

Again, is Bioware forcing you to buy this DLC?

Well, people are hooked are they not? Bioware does not need to force anyone.

[AlanC9]

Draconis6666 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
Money doesnt work by saying $10 always = $10 sure it does on a nominal level but $10 in 1999 =/= $10 in 2012 its more like $10 in 1999 = $13 or $14 in 2012

Damn good guess. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics $10 in 1999 = $13.61 in 2012.

So in other words if you paid 59.99 for a game in 1999 then you paid the equivalentn of $81-82 for it today, or if you paid 49.99 you paid the equivalent of $68 dollars today and yet people are complaining.

Exactly so.

Game prices are actually pretty stable over time. Games will hold a price point for a while, and then all the publishers jump to a new price-point at once.

[TheStoner]

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Why all the hate for this? It's just because its day one right? If it was witheld a few months and released would this be an issue?

I thought it was a reward for me forking out an extra $50 (in my country games are over priced in general) to get all the extra stuff. Now they give the option to those without buying the CE, the chance to experience everything anyway. I would have thought this a good thing?

It was never a collectors edition exclusive. The problem is that they made it before release and are releasing it as seperate paid dlc.

[RUDAL]

I would be happy if companies could stick to - Buy new and get DLC, buy used don't get DLC
And leave all that crappy pyjamas, guns and dogs for CE

[Ianamus]

BobSmith101 wrote...

It's whether or not the market would take it.  Likely it would just make the used games market even larger.

The publisher do lose a crap load of money via the used games market which is why I don't mind online passes. As long as they don't involve an additional cost.

Charging for day 1 DLC is just backdoor price increases for something that you should have paid for 

Exactly.

I hate people and Bioware hiding behind the so-called excuse that it is "optional content". Yes its optional, but if you wanted you could cut out half the game and make it "optional content", that dosen't make it right. 

I don't care if it was made after the game was finished (Which I highly doubt since it only went gold two weeks ago), it was made before launch, before the game went gold, and therefore could have been included. It dosen't matter if it was made seperately, so was multiplayer, and If that was not avalible in the game on launch then "It was made seperately" would not be an excuse. 

Besides, many, many months ago this information was leaked, which means that Bioware planned early on to milk the idea of Prothean squadmember for extra money. 

I was arguing with my friends about this earlier and we reached the same conclusion: It's a dirty buisness practice that is just milking ME3's success and taking advantage of the consumers, but unfortunately it's what we've come to expect from modern game titles. 

Modifié par EJ107, 23 février 2012 - 09:41 .

[N7Infernox]

squee365 wrote...

How long until this topic exhausts itself?

I think the speed at which this thread is growing is a record. And while I am in direct conflict with Draconis6666's views, I'll admit that he's been putting up a hell of a fight.

Modifié par N7Infernox, 23 février 2012 - 09:39 .

[Goth Skunk]

squee365 wrote...

How long until this topic exhausts itself?

Until one of the following occurs, in order of likely occurrence:

1. The moderators finally lay the smack down and close it. Any further anti-DLC discussion results in account suspensions

2. The anti-DLC crew all die of natural causes.

3. The anti-DLC crew get what they're ****ing for.

[fropas]

maybe if we get another 100 pages Michael will come back!

[Chozo_Hybrid]

TheStoner wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Why all the hate for this? It's just because its day one right? If it was witheld a few months and released would this be an issue?

I thought it was a reward for me forking out an extra $50 (in my country games are over priced in general) to get all the extra stuff. Now they give the option to those without buying the CE, the chance to experience everything anyway. I would have thought this a good thing?

It was never a collectors edition exclusive. The problem is that they made it before release and are releasing it as seperate paid dlc.

Oh, I didn't know that part. But even so, I think people are blowing this a bit out of proportion. I understand the frustration, but still.

[Aretelio]

Even if I hadn't purchased the CE I'd still pay ten bucks. It's ten bucks. I don't purchase DLC for many games, practically none of them, but I buy DLC for the games I truly enjoy and this happens to be one of them.

Anyhoo...this thread is great entertainment. I love the self-entitlement angle! You guys have fun arguing.

[Kiara]

hmm, Would have been really cool if this was made available to anyone who bought the game early.. But a prothean is really tempting..

[AlanC9]

Kithrus wrote...
The issues is that the contant isn't worth the extra money being paid.

Example mass effect 2 takes lets say 20 hrs. DLC for mass effect 2 mainly the missions based DLC Shadow Broken, Zaeed, Kitsume ect should be based around price wise content vs time = price.

So Shadow Broken takes say 2 hours just humor me. Mass effect as a whole sold at 60 was about 3 bucks to the hour.

Therefor Shadow Broker using that model should be about 6 dollars give or take which it is after taxes and other fees comes to 8 bucks.

That is fair.

How is paying 20 bucks extra for say maybe 1 hr extra of diolage and one mission worth that?

I wholly agree with this analysis. I don't find DLC to be worth the price. So I've never bought any.

You don't have to either.

[Nohvarr]

TheStoner wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Why all the hate for this? It's just because its day one right? If it was witheld a few months and released would this be an issue?

I thought it was a reward for me forking out an extra $50 (in my country games are over priced in general) to get all the extra stuff. Now they give the option to those without buying the CE, the chance to experience everything anyway. I would have thought this a good thing?

It was never a collectors edition exclusive. The problem is that they made it before release and are releasing it as seperate paid dlc.

Oh?

Modifié par Nohvarr, 23 février 2012 - 09:43 .

[chuckles471]

I really hope the prothean is comic relief and acts like a Jar-Jar binks. Tripping over a "dead" husk ,accidently shooting some explosives and killing a reaper. "Mesa Hero, who justa killed a reaper". Well done prothy! The kids will love him.

Then we won't all be have this stupid arguement.

[ArkkAngel007]

Atakuma wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

Then make it free.....

Heaven forbid people who work to actually get paid for their labor!

They have already been paid.

no, they where getting paid for mass effect 3, from ashes was made by the DLC team while the game went through certification.

And they got paid for that too. You aren't taking money away from the people who worked on the game because they have already been payed for their work.

As I said, the money they get paid while working on the game isn't what they primarily rely on to drive their livlihood.  The money they rely on the most comes from the sales.  The sales also put money towards future products.

So no, money is taken away from them that they deserve.

[AlanC9]

EJ107 wrote...
I don't care if it was made after the game was finished (Which I highly doubt since it only went gold two weeks ago), it was made before launch, before the game went gold, and therefore could have been included. It dosen't matter if it was made seperately, so was multiplayer, and If that was not avalible in the game on launch then "It was made seperately" would not be an excuse. 

Sure, they could have included it. They also could have sold the game for $40 or $10 or $1.

[The Enforcer OS]

Daithin wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

Quoted becouse I think it needs to be read again.

You guys really believe so poorly in the Dev's don't you? They explain this stuff over and over again and yet people still don't comprehend. Gaming is not a Free enterprise. Development time costs time and money. Even if you think the Company is being Greedy I can almost a sure you they aren't. They are gamers just like us.

Given the Choice or the ability I bet they would buy the game, and its DLC's (If the wanted to buy them) just like the rest of us as well.

I just don't understand why people cant come to grips with the fact, people need to be paid in order for these games to be played by us.

I don't agree with the entitlement mentality that wants this DLC for free, but I do disagree with developer methodology.  I understand it costs more money.  Allow me to pay more for a Hard copy and I'm good.  
The challenge is that DLC is unregulated and too easy for developers to exploit.  20 years ago games didn't have patches, DLC, etc.  Games had to be finished out the door.  DLC has allowed too much leniency and opportunity to exploit consumers.   It's not all their fault, part of if is the consumer for allowing it to continue to happen.  Also the Console / Publishers are a bit at fault too because a flat $60 price point is not sustainable across all gases.  ME3 may be worth $80, charge me $80 and give me all the content (preferrably in hard copy)  which is why the CE exists I suppose.