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[blacqout]

Charging for day 1 DLC is a despicable practice, and i don't buy the lie about the Prothean originally being intended solely for those that bought an N7 edition of the game.

Withholding something so vital to the game's lore from the general consuming public would have been equally as disgusting, doubly so considering that there are not enough N7 editions even for those of us that pre-ordered them last year. It was a nice touch when one of the developers bragged "i knew we should produced more". Very classy.

I'm still looking forward to the game, and i really hope that GAME will be able to provide me with the product i paid for over five months ago. Even if they can't, i will buy a regular edition and enough Microsoft points for the Prothean DLC.

But it's a real shame that BioWare/EA have decided that they no longer wish to reward those that purchase their games new. They did the same thing by withholding the Exalted Prince from Dragon Age II, so it seems that the precedent has been set, and it's really lousy.

Virtually everything leading up to the release of Mass Effect 3 has sickened me. The recklessness of the space copies, that lame UK petition, the absolute farce that was the public vote to decide upon the female Shepard's look, and the subsequent pandering to misogyny and prejudice by replacing the blonde, and now this.

It's a good job that BioWare make a great product. I expect the game to blow me away enough that this disappointment will be little more than a bitter after-taste in a few weeks time, and anticipate finding myself equally sickened in the lead up to Dragon Age III.

[N7Infernox]

My last input to Bioware: Just reduce the price for people with online passes.

[DJBare]

Daithin wrote...
Quoted becouse I think it needs to be read again.

You guys really believe so poorly in the Dev's don't you? They explain this stuff over and over again and yet people still don't comprehend. Gaming is not a Free enterprise. Development time costs time and money. Even if you think the Company is being Greedy I can almost a sure you they aren't. They are gamers just like us.

Given the Choice or the ability I bet they would buy the game, and its DLC's (If the wanted to buy them) just like the rest of us as well.

I just don't understand why people cant come to grips with the fact, people need to be paid in order for these games to be played by us.

I don't know Micheal Gamble, he could be the greatest guy in the world or an utter jerk, I do however know his wage packet comes out of this game, he's hardly going to be completely up front and honest if he wants to keep his job and get paid.

[obie191970]

TheStoner wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Why all the hate for this? It's just because its day one right? If it was witheld a few months and released would this be an issue?

I thought it was a reward for me forking out an extra $50 (in my country games are over priced in general) to get all the extra stuff. Now they give the option to those without buying the CE, the chance to experience everything anyway. I would have thought this a good thing?

It was never a collectors edition exclusive. The problem is that they made it before release and are releasing it as seperate paid dlc.

No, it wasn't exclusive, they said all along that SE buyers would be able to buy it as Day 1 DLC.

[Ianamus]

Goth Skunk wrote...

squee365 wrote...

How long until this topic exhausts itself?

Until one of the following occurs, in order of likely occurrence:

1. The moderators finally lay the smack down and close it. Any further anti-DLC discussion results in account suspensions

2. The anti-DLC crew all die of natural causes.

3. The anti-DLC crew get what they're ****ing for.

Right, becuase only your opinion matters, and nobody else is entitled to theirs. 

If you don't like this thread or the opinions voiced here then don't click on it.

[rainasa]

EJ107 wrote...

Exactly.

I hate people and Bioware hiding behind the so-called excuse that it is "optional content". Yes its optional, but if you wanted you could cut out half the game and make it "optional content", that dosen't make it right. 

I don't care if it was made after the game was finished (Which I highly doubt since it only went gold two weeks ago), it was made before launch, before the game went gold, and therefore could have been included. It dosen't matter if it was made seperately, so was multiplayer, and If it were not avalible in the game on launch then "It was made seperately" would not be an excuse. 

Besides, many, many months ago this information was leaked, which means that Bioware planned early on to milk the idea of Prothean squadmember for extra money. 

I was arguing with my friends about this earlier and we reached the same conclusion: It's a dirty buisness practice that is just milking ME3's success and taking advantage of the consumers, but unfortunately it's what we've come to expect from modern game titles. 

ok... for those of you who dont know, when a game goes through certification (and after untill it is released.) the developers cannot alter the game in any way. From ashes was developed during this time. the prothean will provide new lore and insights into the mass effect universe but is not manditory to the plot of mass effect 3 in any way, shape, or form nor do you have to have him do fully understand the plot of ME 3 like so many people are saying.

[Atakuma]

Nohvarr wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Why all the hate for this? It's just because its day one right? If it was witheld a few months and released would this be an issue?

I thought it was a reward for me forking out an extra $50 (in my country games are over priced in general) to get all the extra stuff. Now they give the option to those without buying the CE, the chance to experience everything anyway. I would have thought this a good thing?

It was never a collectors edition exclusive. The problem is that they made it before release and are releasing it as seperate paid dlc.

Oh?

Apparently you didn't see the "additional downloadable character and mission" part.

[ElementL09]

Any reason why it can't be free dlc for all new copies of the game?

[Lufven1]

This just shows that DLC is a disease that must be purged. Vote with your wallets!

[jeckaldied]

Nohvarr wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Why all the hate for this? It's just because its day one right? If it was witheld a few months and released would this be an issue?

I thought it was a reward for me forking out an extra $50 (in my country games are over priced in general) to get all the extra stuff. Now they give the option to those without buying the CE, the chance to experience everything anyway. I would have thought this a good thing?

It was never a collectors edition exclusive. The problem is that they made it before release and are releasing it as seperate paid dlc.

Oh?

It actually doesn't say exclusive there, where it does say exclusive for the other things, it just says additional, same with the comic book, it coems in the CE, but its not exclusive to it, you can get it through other means

Modifié par jeckaldied, 23 février 2012 - 09:45 .

[mortons4ck]

So I take it that EA has deep-sixed Project Ten Dollar (i.e. rewarding customers who bought new instead of used)? Regrettable, but not entirely unexpected.

Modifié par mortons4ck, 23 février 2012 - 09:45 .

[Draconis6666]

AlanC9 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
Money doesnt work by saying $10 always = $10 sure it does on a nominal level but $10 in 1999 =/= $10 in 2012 its more like $10 in 1999 = $13 or $14 in 2012

Damn good guess. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics $10 in 1999 = $13.61 in 2012.

So in other words if you paid 59.99 for a game in 1999 then you paid the equivalentn of $81-82 for it today, or if you paid 49.99 you paid the equivalent of $68 dollars today and yet people are complaining.

Exactly so.

Game prices are actually pretty stable over time. Games will hold a price point for a while, and then all the publishers jump to a new price-point at once.

And one of the key things holding that price jump back is DLC and the ability for publishers to show increased revenue to their share holders without  increasing unit price. The game market has suffered much less from the poor state of the global economy than some but it has still suffered. Total game sales are not increasing enough to by themselves be enough to counter Inflation and used game sales are only making this issue worse. Buying used games saves you money for sure but it also helps to drive demand for price increases up.

Development costs go up with inflation, games cost more and more to make every year. At the same time the money brought in from those games is worth less and less every year. Making $15 million dollars one year and $16 the next seems like you are making more money but it can easily be an actual loss of revenue or profit becasuse of currency devaluation. Gamers are extremely spoiled that the industry has several means to counter inflation beyond what other luxury good industries have. If people disagree with those methods then thats perfecty fine and within their right to do so but they should not expect to see an end to those methods without expecting to pay more for the base unit in return. Thats naive and just shows a lack of understanding of economics, or even how the world works.

[AlanC9]

ElementL09 wrote...

Any reason why it can't be free dlc for all new copies of the game?

No reason it can't be.

No reason it should be, either.

[Bluumberry]

The Enforcer OS wrote...

I don't agree with the entitlement mentality that wants this DLC for free, but I do disagree with developer methodology.  I understand it costs more money.  Allow me to pay more for a Hard copy and I'm good.  
The challenge is that DLC is unregulated and too easy for developers to exploit.  20 years ago games didn't have patches, DLC, etc.  Games had to be finished out the door.  DLC has allowed too much leniency and opportunity to exploit consumers.   It's not all their fault, part of if is the consumer for allowing it to continue to happen.  Also the Console / Publishers are a bit at fault too because a flat $60 price point is not sustainable across all gases.  ME3 may be worth $80, charge me $80 and give me all the content (preferrably in hard copy)  which is why the CE exists I suppose.

Exploit consumers? What, by not cutting content completely and developing extras?

This is all voluntary stuff as well. NO ONE is forcing anyone to buy the extras when the core game is just fine on its own.

[Ianamus]

Nohvarr wrote...


Oh?

All this says is that the collectors edition includes the character and mission, as it does now. 

Nowhere does it say that it is exclusive to the N7 collectors edition. The top item on that list explicitly says "exclusive" but there is no "exclusive" next to the mission and character.

This only weakens your argument. 

Modifié par EJ107, 23 février 2012 - 09:46 .

[AlanC9]

mortons4ck wrote...

So I take it that EA has deep-sixed Project Ten Dollar (i.e. rewarding customers who bought new instead of used)? Regrettable, but not entirely unexpected.

IIRC ME3's MP is the Project Ten Dollar component.

[Kithrus]

AlanC9 wrote...

Kithrus wrote...
The issues is that the contant isn't worth the extra money being paid.

Example mass effect 2 takes lets say 20 hrs. DLC for mass effect 2 mainly the missions based DLC Shadow Broken, Zaeed, Kitsume ect should be based around price wise content vs time = price.

So Shadow Broken takes say 2 hours just humor me. Mass effect as a whole sold at 60 was about 3 bucks to the hour.

Therefor Shadow Broker using that model should be about 6 dollars give or take which it is after taxes and other fees comes to 8 bucks.

That is fair.

How is paying 20 bucks extra for say maybe 1 hr extra of diolage and one mission worth that?

I wholly agree with this analysis. I don't find DLC to be worth the price. So I've never bought any.

You don't have to either.

Not saying I don't have to but when will this trend stop if we do not do something about it? Thats why I boycott and in that hope is the belief that my fellow gamers have the balls to vote with their feet before companies take it too far.

Modifié par Kithrus, 23 février 2012 - 09:47 .

[Maeshone]

mortons4ck wrote...

So I take it that EA has deep-sixed Project Ten Dollar (i.e. rewarding customers who bought new instead of used)? Regrettable, but not entirely unexpected.

Nope, it's still alive. It just takes the form of a multiplayer pass in Mass Effect 3

[The Enforcer OS]

Draconis6666 wrote...

The Enforcer OS wrote...


2) There is no option down the road to buy a hard copy version for those who want to have all the content.  It's all still DLC

This happens all the time its what GOTY editions etc are

In order to pacify those who want to spend more and those who want to spend less.  There needs to be different forms of hard copy discs.  1) For cheap for those who don't want DLC 2) One with content on disc for those will to spend more and will get more. Will that happen? No, but it needs to get this DLC situation under control.

I'd be happy if GOTY editions existed for every game, but there wasn't for ME2.  Also Gears of War 2 was all DLC tokens. 

[rainasa]

jeckaldied wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Why all the hate for this? It's just because its day one right? If it was witheld a few months and released would this be an issue?

I thought it was a reward for me forking out an extra $50 (in my country games are over priced in general) to get all the extra stuff. Now they give the option to those without buying the CE, the chance to experience everything anyway. I would have thought this a good thing?

It was never a collectors edition exclusive. The problem is that they made it before release and are releasing it as seperate paid dlc.

Oh?

It actually doesn't say exclusive there, where it does say exclusive for the other things, it just says additional, same with the comic book, it coems in the CE, but its not exclusive to it, you can get it through other means

to play devil's advocate it says "addtional mission and character" not exclusive.

[TheStoner]

Nohvarr wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Why all the hate for this? It's just because its day one right? If it was witheld a few months and released would this be an issue?

I thought it was a reward for me forking out an extra $50 (in my country games are over priced in general) to get all the extra stuff. Now they give the option to those without buying the CE, the chance to experience everything anyway. I would have thought this a good thing?

It was never a collectors edition exclusive. The problem is that they made it before release and are releasing it as seperate paid dlc.

Oh?

XD One of the only things not marked as exclusive is this DLC.

[RiouHotaru]

Lufven1 wrote...

I said "imagine removing Thane". I know you have to get certain character for the main story but does he adds anything to the main plot? He's just a side character with his own misson and dialogue. Removing him would not change the main story, it would just continue without him. Prothy™ is like most of the non-essential-to-the-plot-character in that removing him would not change a bit but adding him enhances the story.

But Thane also contributes to the Suicide Mission, and to the Holding the Line Segment.  You can succeed without Zaeed and Kasumi, since they're additional.  Thane's removal WOULD negatively impact your success because he's a core character.

The Prothean is NOT a core character.  His presence (or lack thereof) doesn't change the core experience.

[Chozo_Hybrid]

Bluumberry wrote...

The Enforcer OS wrote...

I don't agree with the entitlement mentality that wants this DLC for free, but I do disagree with developer methodology.  I understand it costs more money.  Allow me to pay more for a Hard copy and I'm good.  
The challenge is that DLC is unregulated and too easy for developers to exploit.  20 years ago games didn't have patches, DLC, etc.  Games had to be finished out the door.  DLC has allowed too much leniency and opportunity to exploit consumers.   It's not all their fault, part of if is the consumer for allowing it to continue to happen.  Also the Console / Publishers are a bit at fault too because a flat $60 price point is not sustainable across all gases.  ME3 may be worth $80, charge me $80 and give me all the content (preferrably in hard copy)  which is why the CE exists I suppose.

Exploit consumers? What, by not cutting content completely and developing extras?

This is all voluntary stuff as well. NO ONE is forcing anyone to buy the extras when the core game is just fine on its own.

Gotta go with this guy in the end. No one makes you buy it. Plus, gaming is a luxury, not a neccessity of life. You can live without the dlc if it pisses you off that much.