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[Descedent]

Amazon's response :

LOL


Amazon Video Games @amazongames

Want to you get "From Ashes" for Mass Effect 3? Order the Digital Deluxe version and get this DLC +$10 game credit. amzn.to/Awc50K

Modifié par Descedent, 23 février 2012 - 10:01 .

[Lufven1]

Solgineer wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

I said "imagine removing Thane". I know you have to get certain character for the main story but does he adds anything to the main plot? He's just a side character with his own misson and dialogue. Removing him would not change the main story, it would just continue without him. Prothy™ is like most of the non-essential-to-the-plot-character in that removing him would not change a bit but adding him enhances the story.

But Thane also contributes to the Suicide Mission, and to the Holding the Line Segment.  You can succeed without Zaeed and Kasumi, since they're additional.  Thane's removal WOULD negatively impact your success because he's a core character.

The Prothean is NOT a core character.  His presence (or lack thereof) doesn't change the core experience.

Claiming he was a core character is just because he wasn't in a DLC but in the game from the very start. Zaeed could very much have been a core character (given a little more dialogue and fledged out mission) and Thane could have replaced him as the DLC. The thing I'm trying to say here is that certain characters aren't essential for the main story to continue. A lot of the characters in ME2 are mostly dialogue and a mission (plus a few lines in the main plot). Not all characters are but some, like Thane.

Similar to Prothy. He COULD be interesting though he's not essential. But then again, other character could behave in the same way.

I don't get what devs were thinking when some meathead like Vega was seen as essential as opposed to a Prothean.

Haha! Word. I guess the humans always ends up like that. (looking at you Kaidan and Jacob)

[Darth Krytie]

I think DLC is a very smart business model for a company to have. How many people buy used games these days? A lot. And the companies who make those games don't profit from it. DLC always results in profit to the business.

Plus, if there were suddenly no more DLCs, what's to say the content that would be in DLC would automagically be included in a game proper? People always assume that DLC is forcing folks to pay for content that was torn from the game or would have been in the game otherwise. I'm not sure that's the case, at least not most of the time.

I always look at it this way when I decide to buy a DLC...is it worth the same to me as a trip to the movies or a trip to the drive-thru take out? Because the cost is about the same. The answer is almost always yes. The DLC is almost always longer than a movie (and definitely last longer than a Big Mac) and I can play it again, as many times as I want. Movies and food are one-time only deals.

Now, if they start charging you rl monies to buy one-time use ammo, then I'd be complaining alongside with you.

For this? No.

[Draconis6666]

CorkonianCowboy wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

CorkonianCowboy wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

I lie to people for a living and it's good.

You also apparently have a poor understanding of the fact that Days (emphasis on the s) =/= less than 24hrs later

I have a poor understanding, are you braindead?
Although I quoted his whole post (why bother edit, its too funny as a whole) which parts do you think I am referring to in particular, I can highlight it for you if you want or put stars around it, I think (hope) most people know which parts I refer to?

Hard to say since you left parts bolded that make it seem like your responding to the bolded parts, poor formating when quoting people makes it hard to understand your point.

[Tazzmission]

i want to see this guy in action! my excitment for this is killing me

[MissOuJ]

fropas wrote...

If I had a say in what I was buying I would ONLY buy the in-game content (it's all I care about) and I would gladly pay 70~75$ for that pack. I don't have any say in that. I was promised these features for 80$ and I'll be damned if some SE consumer gets them (ANY of them) for 60$...

Me too (plus the soundtrack). But I don't, so I had to make a choice: pay extra and get the stuff I want plus some extra I don't particularly care for, or go without. I chose to pay extra. Some people chose to go without; those people can now get some of that extra stuff I'm gonna have if they themselves pay a bit extra (and it's $10, for crying out loud).

But if they get for free what I've paid extra for, I'm gonna be p***ed.

[fropas]

BobSmith101 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

fropas wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Why all the hate for this? It's just because its day one right? If it was witheld a few months and released would this be an issue?

I thought it was a reward for me forking out an extra $50 (in my country games are over priced in general) to get all the extra stuff. Now they give the option to those without buying the CE, the chance to experience everything anyway. I would have thought this a good thing?

It was never a collectors edition exclusive. The problem is that they made it before release and are releasing it as seperate paid dlc.

Oh?

XD One of the only things not marked as exclusive is this DLC.

So it's not exclusive, but it's still content some people are paying for you should have to pay for it as well.

It could be easily said that you are only paying for the "exclusive" stuff, I mean lithographs aren't cheap.

If I had a say in what I was buying I would ONLY buy the in-game content (it's all I care about) and I would gladly pay 70~75$ for that pack. I don't have any say in that. I was promised these features for 80$ and I'll be damned if some SE consumer gets them (ANY of them) for 60$...

Which is why in game content should not be part of a Collector Edition. You should not package "game advantage" unless you are a FTP MMO.

The game content I'm refering to is all single player stuff anyway, so my advantage doen't impact anyone in a competitive way. I just get more features than SE consumers, as I should, because I paid more.

[rainasa]

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

rainasa wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

I got Zaeed for free in ME2, now you want £10 to unravel one of the biggest mystery's in ME3? Yeah not all of us ride the short bus.

the ceberus network was free to new copies to increase the ammount of sales that went to bioware but for ME3 multiplayer takes that role, so they added the squadmember into the CE and as Day one DLC, it is not rocket science

No it's not rocket science, it's money grabbing. 

how is it money grabbing when a company charges for optional content that was developed after the main game was finished and could not have been altered in any way? really. half the arguments on this thread are about it being released on day one, which is ironic because if they had just sat on their ass and done nothing and then released it a few months later they would be getting complements from fans for releasing a prothean squadmate.

[AkiKishi]

Descedent wrote...

Amazon's response :

LOL


Amazon Video Games @amazongames

Want to you get "From Ashes" for Mass Effect 3? Order the Digital Deluxe version and get this DLC +$10 game credit. amzn.to/Awc50K

Got to credit Amazon with smart thinking there.

[Solgineer]

AlanC9 wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

I don't get what devs were thinking when some meathead like Vega was seen as essential as opposed to a Prothean.

Simple. You need to be able to put a full squad together from the very start of ME3 no matter who got killed in ME2.

Wouldn't a squad exist regardless since Liara, ME1 human squaddie and the fact that you cannot survive in ME2 without having atleast 2 squadmates live? Sure, your team would be small as hell but it is a great penalty for being a terrible commander.

[blueruin]

The Enforcer OS wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

The Enforcer OS wrote...

I don't agree with the entitlement mentality that wants this DLC for free, but I do disagree with developer methodology.  I understand it costs more money.  Allow me to pay more for a Hard copy and I'm good.  
The challenge is that DLC is unregulated and too easy for developers to exploit.  20 years ago games didn't have patches, DLC, etc.  Games had to be finished out the door.  DLC has allowed too much leniency and opportunity to exploit consumers.   It's not all their fault, part of if is the consumer for allowing it to continue to happen.  Also the Console / Publishers are a bit at fault too because a flat $60 price point is not sustainable across all gases.  ME3 may be worth $80, charge me $80 and give me all the content (preferrably in hard copy)  which is why the CE exists I suppose.

Exploit consumers? What, by not cutting content completely and developing extras?

This is all voluntary stuff as well. NO ONE is forcing anyone to buy the extras when the core game is just fine on its own.

Gotta go with this guy in the end. No one makes you buy it. Plus, gaming is a luxury, not a neccessity of life. You can live without the dlc if it pisses you off that much.

I never said anything about being forced to buy DLC, believe me I support the expansion of games to renew content.  My issue is with a lot of stuff being gimmicky pertaining to DLC practices.   DLC A for facebook, DLC B, for buying this, DLC C for doing this.  Sure it's all optional, but it's getting to be ALOT of work to 'collect' All content for a game, when games used to be purchasable whole.   All of the content available from the start is not available at the time of purchase because its segmented.    I would like to spend more money to have the 'whole' game available Day 1... but in reality thats not possibly without buying a keyboard, figure, DLC, etc.   Sure, it's optional, but they're sure still trying to hook people.  That's the point I was trying to get at.  

This times 100.  Damnit Bioware, your games are still going to sell millions anyway, stop wasting your money on dumb marketing gimmicks.  Bethesda didn't need a Facebook game to move copies of Skyrim.  Just continue to make good games and stop squandering your reputation on stupid business decisions that invite backlash.

[RiouHotaru]

Kithrus wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

A lot of people are debating whether or not the Prothean character is an important part of the story or not, whether the content can be called "optional" or not. But that is totally irrelevant. You're right, the Prothean IS technically optional. Probably more than 90% of the game can be called "optional." You could take out all of the romance scenes, and then put out a DLC called the "Romance Pack" and it would be exactly the same thing. Romance is optional. Personally, I wouldn't care because that stuff is not very important to me. But if they took it out and then sold it as a separate add-on, a lot of people would be livid.

This is no different. People who care a lot about the story, the lore and background of the ME universe feel that a Prothean character is just as important as the romance scenes are to people who are into the space soap opera stuff. You can't tell another person what is or is not important to them. Who are you to make that distinction for others? If you think the Prothean isn't important, good for you -- you don't need to buy it. But think about something that is important to you, whether it be romance arcs, the reunion with Ash/Kaiden, maybe even a favorite class you are looking forward to playing -- any of these things could be called "optional." You can play through the whole game without them, and you would still get all of the Reaper story. Would you still say it's OK to take out something and sell it separately if it is meaningful to you?

That's a poor argument and rife with logical fallacies.  The "romances", "game classes", and what not are all part of the CORE experience.  The game was designed with those in mind.  Claiming they're "optional" because their removal wouldn't impact the game (in your opinion) is silly because you weren't there for game development..  Again, simply because he's a Prothean doesn't suddenly make him vital.  Yes, he's a very nice piece of lore.  But no-one's experience would be diminished for not having him.

My issue isn't that whats in the DLC persay as much as the price and the DLC should have been in the game  anyway. It wasn't made after it was made during which is not fair. Include it in the game for a fair cost or make it free don't try to reach into my wallet. bioware knows if they are fair they get my money. Demanding more just makes me close my wallet.

But they aren't demanding anything.  They're saying "Hey, ME-fans!  We worked hard to make this DLC so that you can enjoy some nostalgia while you play our trilogy's finale!"  Asking to be paid for the work they put into that DLC isn't being greedy.

[MonkeySeeker]

Descedent wrote...

Amazon's response :

LOL


Amazon Video Games @amazongames

Want to you get "From Ashes" for Mass Effect 3? Order the Digital Deluxe version and get this DLC +$10 game credit. amzn.to/Awc50K

What's the point in that when the Digital Deluxe version gets the DLC anyway?

[Twizz089]

Gotta wonder how good the story will be if a character belonging to the race that was been very influential to the story and the lore is optional

[RiouHotaru]

blueruin wrote...

The Enforcer OS wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

The Enforcer OS wrote...

I don't agree with the entitlement mentality that wants this DLC for free, but I do disagree with developer methodology.  I understand it costs more money.  Allow me to pay more for a Hard copy and I'm good.  
The challenge is that DLC is unregulated and too easy for developers to exploit.  20 years ago games didn't have patches, DLC, etc.  Games had to be finished out the door.  DLC has allowed too much leniency and opportunity to exploit consumers.   It's not all their fault, part of if is the consumer for allowing it to continue to happen.  Also the Console / Publishers are a bit at fault too because a flat $60 price point is not sustainable across all gases.  ME3 may be worth $80, charge me $80 and give me all the content (preferrably in hard copy)  which is why the CE exists I suppose.

Exploit consumers? What, by not cutting content completely and developing extras?

This is all voluntary stuff as well. NO ONE is forcing anyone to buy the extras when the core game is just fine on its own.

Gotta go with this guy in the end. No one makes you buy it. Plus, gaming is a luxury, not a neccessity of life. You can live without the dlc if it pisses you off that much.

I never said anything about being forced to buy DLC, believe me I support the expansion of games to renew content.  My issue is with a lot of stuff being gimmicky pertaining to DLC practices.   DLC A for facebook, DLC B, for buying this, DLC C for doing this.  Sure it's all optional, but it's getting to be ALOT of work to 'collect' All content for a game, when games used to be purchasable whole.   All of the content available from the start is not available at the time of purchase because its segmented.    I would like to spend more money to have the 'whole' game available Day 1... but in reality thats not possibly without buying a keyboard, figure, DLC, etc.   Sure, it's optional, but they're sure still trying to hook people.  That's the point I was trying to get at.  

This times 100.  Damnit Bioware, your games are still going to sell millions anyway, stop wasting your money on dumb marketing gimmicks.  Bethesda didn't need a Facebook game to move copies of Skyrim.  Just continue to make good games and stop squandering your reputation on stupid business decisions that invite backlash.

But considering that most if not ALL the DLC besides the Prothean is Multiplayer weapons and armor, does collecting it matter?  Also, it's called marketing.  As much as people here might hate Facebook, it's a perfect place to advertise given it's traffic.

[Descedent]

MonkeySeeker wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Amazon's response :

LOL


Amazon Video Games @amazongames

Want to you get "From Ashes" for Mass Effect 3? Order the Digital Deluxe version and get this DLC +$10 game credit. amzn.to/Awc50K

What's the point in that when the Digital Deluxe version gets the DLC anyway?

cause obviously it means you aren't even paying for the $10 of the dlc price of the extra 20$ required for DDE  ......with the 10$ credit. this isn't rocket science

Modifié par Descedent, 23 février 2012 - 10:07 .

[msmpsn]

Kithrus wrote...


My issue isn't that whats in the DLC persay as much as the price and the DLC should have been in the game  anyway. It wasn't made after it was made during which is not fair. Include it in the game for a fair cost or make it free don't try to reach into my wallet. bioware knows if they are fair they get my money. Demanding more just makes me close my wallet.

They've repeatedly said that it was made after the main game was completed, why do you keep acting differently? Because it's not what you want to hear?

[_symphony]

fropas wrote...

_symphony wrote...

fropas wrote...
Yes I think you criticism is wholly unconstructive and unreasonable.   

Suit yourself, but I was hoping you will give me better arguments than a deadline and blind faith in BioWare.

Sorry I couldn't convince you one way or the other, but I do have hope in BW. Hope is only useful in hopeless situations afterall, and the game has already gone "gold" I'd be surprised if they weren;t already mass producing the discs. If you think they can change the plot a this point I think you're being unreasonable, so no argument would be good enough for you anyway.

I never demanded BW to change anything, I'm neither with the people demanding the DLC for free, what I say is that ME3's writing is really going downhill, by introducing a mindblowing character like a prothean alive for the sake of selling DLCs and CEs and not for the sake of plot. I don't expect BW to change anything, that doesn't mean I shouldn't voice my opinion or unconstructive criticism as you call it.

[Chozo_Hybrid]

The Enforcer OS wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

The Enforcer OS wrote...

I don't agree with the entitlement mentality that wants this DLC for free, but I do disagree with developer methodology.  I understand it costs more money.  Allow me to pay more for a Hard copy and I'm good.  
The challenge is that DLC is unregulated and too easy for developers to exploit.  20 years ago games didn't have patches, DLC, etc.  Games had to be finished out the door.  DLC has allowed too much leniency and opportunity to exploit consumers.   It's not all their fault, part of if is the consumer for allowing it to continue to happen.  Also the Console / Publishers are a bit at fault too because a flat $60 price point is not sustainable across all gases.  ME3 may be worth $80, charge me $80 and give me all the content (preferrably in hard copy)  which is why the CE exists I suppose.

Exploit consumers? What, by not cutting content completely and developing extras?

This is all voluntary stuff as well. NO ONE is forcing anyone to buy the extras when the core game is just fine on its own.

Gotta go with this guy in the end. No one makes you buy it. Plus, gaming is a luxury, not a neccessity of life. You can live without the dlc if it pisses you off that much.

I never said anything about being forced to buy DLC, believe me I support the expansion of games to renew content.  My issue is with a lot of stuff being gimmicky pertaining to DLC practices.   DLC A for facebook, DLC B, for buying this, DLC C for doing this.  Sure it's all optional, but it's getting to be ALOT of work to 'collect' All content for a game, when games used to be purchasable whole.   All of the content available from the start is not available at the time of purchase because its segmented.    I would like to spend more money to have the 'whole' game available Day 1... but in reality thats not possibly without buying a keyboard, figure, DLC, etc.   Sure, it's optional, but they're sure still trying to hook people.  That's the point I was trying to get at.  

I agree with all that, attaching dlc to tonnes of different products irked me a fair amount. I was just referring to this Prothy dlc in this instance

[Draconis6666]

blueruin wrote...

This times 100.  Damnit Bioware, your games are still going to sell millions anyway, stop wasting your money on dumb marketing gimmicks.  Bethesda didn't need a Facebook game to move copies of Skyrim.  Just continue to make good games and stop squandering your reputation on stupid business decisions that invite backlash.

Please stop using Bethesda as an example of excellent buisness practices, when they released the rediculous Horse Armor DLC that they wanted you to pay $5 or the nearly non functional PS3 version of Skyrim.

[Goth Skunk]

Draconis6666 wrote...

blueruin wrote...

This times 100.  Damnit Bioware, your games are still going to sell millions anyway, stop wasting your money on dumb marketing gimmicks.  Bethesda didn't need a Facebook game to move copies of Skyrim.  Just continue to make good games and stop squandering your reputation on stupid business decisions that invite backlash.

Please stop using Bethesda as an example of excellent buisness practices, when they released the rediculous Horse Armor DLC that they wanted you to pay $5 or the nearly non functional PS3 version of Skyrim.

Now THAT'S an example of worthless DLC that SHOULD have been free.

Modifié par Goth Skunk, 23 février 2012 - 10:07 .

[AkiKishi]

[quote]fropas wrote...

If I had a say in what I was buying I would ONLY buy the in-game content (it's all I care about) and I would gladly pay 70~75$ for that pack. I don't have any say in that. I was promised these features for 80$ and I'll be damned if some SE consumer gets them (ANY of them) for 60$...[/quote]

Which is why in game content should not be part of a Collector Edition. You should not package "game advantage" unless you are a FTP MMO.[/quote]

The game content I'm refering to is all single player stuff anyway, so my advantage doen't impact anyone in a competitive way. I just get more features than SE consumers, as I should, because I paid more.[/quote]

Thats like saying if I pay £100 I should get "god" mode.

While your game has no impact on others the fact the imbalance exists causes the problems we are seeing here.

Had the CE only contained what was marked exclusive this never would have happened.

[whitey4444]

Draconis6666 wrote...

whitey4444 wrote...

I didn't realise it was three months between June (when this character news was originally leaked) and February. That's why I'm cynical about this.

Kasumi's existance was leaked a month or two before release and wasnt completed till months after thats not in and of itself proof of anything,

Sure, but it is enough to make me question the 'three months' line.

Problem is who the character is, I don't think the response would be anywhere near as bad if it were any other species (besides maybe rachni). Assuming there was a decision early on in the game development to have this character (not necessarily given, but possible), then there was also a decision to make it a DLC character for work later on. However, they had to expect this response given how critical this character/species is to the whole story of the trilogy.

I don't think they can be surprised with the response, and I wouldn't be buying the naivety. Somebody made the call, and they had to have made it much earlier in the piece than 3 months before certification.

[rainasa]

Twizz089 wrote...

Gotta wonder how good the story will be if a character belonging to the race that was been very influential to the story and the lore is optional

it will be like how shale was optional, he will provide a new perspective and alot of new lore, but at the end of the day he will have very little to no large impact on the main story itself, and he will not be required for you to fully understand the story of ME3