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[Goth Skunk]

Kithrus wrote...

So make it free

What do you do for a living?

If someone asked/told/demanded you do it for free, what would you tell them?

[N7Infernox]

Goth Skunk wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

Just because nothing has changed, it doesnt mean that anyone is right or wrong. 

Goth Skunk wrote...

Almost 200 pages later and nothing has changed:

The supporters of the DLC are still right.

Everyone else is flat out wrong.

Still, they bang their heads against walls.

Read again. I bolded some of the words for your failing eyes.

No need to be bitter, man

[Draconis6666]

wrdnshprd wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


CE - complete game
SE - complete game if you pay £10 more.

So then you would be ok with it if the base game cost $70 and everyone got it for free?

more like ok if it was handled like ME2, 60 bucks and everyone got it free. too much to keep a consistent business practice?

ding ding.. WINNER!

So in other words you think you should get the same content (or in this case arguably more because you think you should get DLC developed from cut content you never would have gotten at all) from games as you did 10 years ago but pay them less actual value since your $60 now is not even worth what $50 was 10 years ago.

Modifié par Draconis6666, 23 février 2012 - 10:14 .

[Solgineer]

BobSmith101 wrote...

There is actually a wild card in this I never thought of before. Steam . It's in their interests to sink Origin.

And Valve is incredibly happy for this move ME3 pulled too. Less people will buy it because of Origin and then some because of this move Bioware pulled. I know someone who solely used Origin just for ME3 and when he caught wind of this, he just stopped using it altogether and cancelled his preorder.

[LiquidLogic2020]

rainasa wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

rainasa wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

I got Zaeed for free in ME2, now you want £10 to unravel one of the biggest mystery's in ME3? Yeah not all of us ride the short bus.

the ceberus network was free to new copies to increase the ammount of sales that went to bioware but for ME3 multiplayer takes that role, so they added the squadmember into the CE and as Day one DLC, it is not rocket science

No it's not rocket science, it's money grabbing. 

how is it money grabbing when a company charges for optional content that was developed after the main game was finished and could not have been altered in any way? really. half the arguments on this thread are about it being released on day one, which is ironic because if they had just sat on their ass and done nothing and then released it a few months later they would be getting complements from fans for releasing a prothean squadmate.

Yeahhh, im sure it was made once the full game was finished... I don't see how people can just bend over and accept this, Zaeed was a nice incentive for buying the game new which is fine. But now we are being charged £10 for the equivilent of that and out "insentive" to buy new is access to multiplayer? Somthing that's allready on the disk? I was getting sick of hearing about dlc for this game but now it's clear they are just trying to milk their fans dry, how low can bioware possibly sink now? Atleast some humour can be garnered from this debacle watching the biodrones trying to defend this discusting bussiness practice. 

[AlanC9]

Solgineer wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

I don't get what devs were thinking when some meathead like Vega was seen as essential as opposed to a Prothean.

Simple. You need to be able to put a full squad together from the very start of ME3 no matter who got killed in ME2.

Wouldn't a squad exist regardless since Liara, ME1 human squaddie and the fact that you cannot survive in ME2 without having atleast 2 squadmates live? Sure, your team would be small as hell but it is a great penalty for being a terrible commander.

I guess it could be made to work. But Liara and the other surviving ME2 squadmates don't seem to be on Earth. I suppose that could have been worked around, but then that undermines their plots. Guessing a bit here, since I haven't seen any spoilers beyond the demo.

Come to think of it, it's the wrong question anyway. Nobody ever said Vega was essential.

[rainasa]

Goth Skunk wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

Just because nothing has changed, it doesnt mean that anyone is right or wrong. 

Goth Skunk wrote...

Almost 200 pages later and nothing has changed:

The supporters of the DLC are still right.

Everyone else is flat out wrong.

Still, they bang their heads against walls.

Read again. I bolded some of the words for your failing eyes.

it really isnt fair to just generalize like that, some of the compliants, like how the squadmate is a prothean, and the fact it was planned to be announced so close to the release date are very legitimate complaints, even if i disagree with them. some people are just repeating the same filth over and over again though

Modifié par rainasa, 23 février 2012 - 10:14 .

[The Enforcer OS]

Evilelf007 wrote...

Day one dlc is only wrong if any options for any product available on day one is wrong.

It's the same thing. A car without all available options must be wrong too then.

It's business people! This happens with every product made! That doesn't stop people from downloading apps for their phone the day they get them either. This is the same damn thing!

Messing with your agrument for a sec...  Would you buy a car w/out a steering wheel?  Was that an optional accessory?  lol  

[Descedent]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

MonkeySeeker wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Amazon's response :

LOL


Amazon Video Games @amazongames

Want to you get "From Ashes" for Mass Effect 3? Order the Digital Deluxe version and get this DLC +$10 game credit. amzn.to/Awc50K

What's the point in that when the Digital Deluxe version gets the DLC anyway?

cause obviously it means you aren't even paying for the $10 of the extra 20$ for DDE for the dlc in the DDE......with the 10$ credit. this isn't rocket science

Actualy in some ways its a terrible business practice because its showing favoritism to the people who buy the DDE since they get ALL of the the same digital content as the collectors edition  while only paying the same price as the SE.

Thats only if its there for the express reason of the DLC though, which it isnt since afaik all versions of ME 3 from amazon have a $10 credit so its more a marketing point for the game in general and not related to the DLC.

FACEPALM. the standards get the10$ credit too..... which just means regardless of what edition you bought it's 10$ less technically.

life is hard

Modifié par Descedent, 23 février 2012 - 10:15 .

[Goth Skunk]

CorkonianCowboy wrote...

I think it is a good but not perfect comparasion, although the horse armour was ridiculous no argues there.
I think with the horse armour they tried something and failed but never repeated it, and went on to release much more substantial packs, same with Fallout 3.  These large packs are really what expensive Dlc's should be.
Bioware should have waited a month or two or three and then released this at a slightly reduced price, if they wanted to avoid anger.

Anger from lowlifes. What about the customers that paid for a collector's edition? You don't think they should get the same game plus a 'little something extra'?

If you had to choose between angering an economy customer and angering a premium customer, who would you choose?

[MageCeridan]

Kithrus wrote...

Day one DLC is a farce, and saying "hey, it's DLC because we finished
finalising the disk before all the content was on it" (Which is the
truth of what they are saying) is just bull****.

You do not finalise a
game when you still have ideas, and development time allotted to said
game. The minute you start doing that, you cut the "Game" shorter and
shorter and the "DLC" starts getting larger and larger, whilst being
split into more parts for more $$$.

You don't know what's a deadline is right?

Modifié par MageCeridan, 23 février 2012 - 10:15 .

[Tiax Rules All]

I boggles my mind when people think they can and should defend practices like this.

I want to credit them with having thier own opinions but it just seems they are either blinded by fandom, lack common sense or otherwise are just poor consumers.

[Bluumberry]

God to love the people who have no idea how a business nor a game development company is run, trying to justify their feelings of entitlement.

[Survivalist]

It's worth bearing in mind that the main cost of producing a game is the development, where as with a car a lot of the money is spent on the actually materials and production costs. With rise of downloading the costs decrease still further. Therefore in software markets (which I imagine is dominated by games) it is most important to sell a large volume rather than charge a premium price. I also imagine that the volumes sold have been increasing fairly rapidly over the past couple of decades, so while relative prices may have dropped the actual income will have increased. However the cost of developing a video game has certainly increased massively. Just something to bear in mind.

[Draconis6666]

CorkonianCowboy wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

blueruin wrote...

This times 100.  Damnit Bioware, your games are still going to sell millions anyway, stop wasting your money on dumb marketing gimmicks.  Bethesda didn't need a Facebook game to move copies of Skyrim.  Just continue to make good games and stop squandering your reputation on stupid business decisions that invite backlash.

Please stop using Bethesda as an example of excellent buisness practices, when they released the rediculous Horse Armor DLC that they wanted you to pay $5 or the nearly non functional PS3 version of Skyrim.

I think it is a good but not perfect comparasion, although the horse armour was ridiculous no argues there.
I think with the horse armour they tried something and failed but never repeated it, and went on to release much more substantial packs, same with Fallout 3.  These large packs are really what expensive Dlc's should be.
Bioware should have waited a month or two or three and then released this at a slightly reduced price, if they wanted to avoid anger.

Arguably they did repeate it though since really the only DLC that was ever worth its cost for Oblivion was Knights of the Nine and they released a substantial amount of DLC. The outrage of the horse armor was not enough apparently for them to significantly increase the quality of the housing DLCs.

[AlanC9]

Twizz089 wrote...
Then they missed an opportunity.  Imagine how good the story could have been if the protheans were a driving and essential part of the plot.

I just did. I threw up a little in my mouth.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

I know I'm not the only one who appreciates your responses, Mike. Thanks for explaining Bioware's position on this.

I think the question of whether it should have been included with the full game (or offered as a free download for all copies of ME3) is still worthy of debate, as it highlights a moral issue. It's sad that so many people (on both sides) are unwilling to engage in a civil discussion about this, but I think it's an important issue nonetheless.

[Hardwired]

N7Infernox wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

Just because nothing has changed, it doesnt mean that anyone is right or wrong. 

Goth Skunk wrote...

Almost 200 pages later and nothing has changed:

The supporters of the DLC are still right.

Everyone else is flat out wrong.

Still, they bang their heads against walls.

Read again. I bolded some of the words for your failing eyes.

No need to be bitter, man

Don't give him any of your time. He has been acting out all night.

[foo man chew]

 
Almost 200 pages later and nothing has changed:

The supporters of the DLC are still right.

Everyone else is flat out wrong.
Still, they bang their heads against walls . And  almost 200 pages later.people defending this day one dlc are just as much of the problem as ever because they not only allow companies to do this to them they are actually so pathetic they defend the company thats ripping them of.

[rainasa]

Descedent wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

MonkeySeeker wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Amazon's response :

LOL


Amazon Video Games @amazongames

Want to you get "From Ashes" for Mass Effect 3? Order the Digital Deluxe version and get this DLC +$10 game credit. amzn.to/Awc50K

What's the point in that when the Digital Deluxe version gets the DLC anyway?

cause obviously it means you aren't even paying for the $10 of the extra 20$ for DDE for the dlc in the DDE......with the 10$ credit. this isn't rocket science

Actualy in some ways its a terrible business practice because its showing favoritism to the people who buy the DDE since they get ALL of the the same digital content as the collectors edition  while only paying the same price as the SE.

Thats only if its there for the express reason of the DLC though, which it isnt since afaik all versions of ME 3 from amazon have a $10 credit so its more a marketing point for the game in general and not related to the DLC.

FACEPALM. the standards get the10$ credit too.....

amazon does things like that with alot of major games, i remember I got the same deal for my agumented edition of deus ex :HR back in september.

[fresh101]

shame on you bioware

[AlanC9]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I boggles my mind when people think they can and should defend practices like this.

I want to credit them with having thier own opinions but it just seems they are either blinded by fandom, lack common sense or otherwise are just poor consumers.

Right, because people who don't feel the way you do about stuff are blind.

[Chozo_Hybrid]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

ALIEN BEANS!

Never has more truth been spoken in two words.

[Draconis6666]

Descedent wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

MonkeySeeker wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Amazon's response :

LOL


Amazon Video Games @amazongames

Want to you get "From Ashes" for Mass Effect 3? Order the Digital Deluxe version and get this DLC +$10 game credit. amzn.to/Awc50K

What's the point in that when the Digital Deluxe version gets the DLC anyway?

cause obviously it means you aren't even paying for the $10 of the extra 20$ for DDE for the dlc in the DDE......with the 10$ credit. this isn't rocket science

Actualy in some ways its a terrible business practice because its showing favoritism to the people who buy the DDE since they get ALL of the the same digital content as the collectors edition  while only paying the same price as the SE.

Thats only if its there for the express reason of the DLC though, which it isnt since afaik all versions of ME 3 from amazon have a $10 credit so its more a marketing point for the game in general and not related to the DLC.

FACEPALM. the standards get the10$ credit too..... which just means regardless of what edition you bought it's 10$ less technically.

life is hard

Only if you buy it from another distributer, I was saying that giving a credit to the DDE only because they get the DLC would be unfair to their customers if its unfair to people who purchase the game anywhere else is completely another issue.