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[Evilelf007]

The Prothean compares to power adjustable seats vs manual. It's just nicer to have. The steering wheel analogy doesn't fit.

[Tiax Rules All]

collectors editions should not consist of story, plot or gamplay additions.

CE people are (should be) paying for hardcover artbooks, lithographs, soundtracks (cosmetic stuff)

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 23 février 2012 - 10:17 .

[nightcobra]

Draconis6666 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...


CE - complete game
SE - complete game if you pay £10 more.

So then you would be ok with it if the base game cost $70 and everyone got it for free?

more like ok if it was handled like ME2, the base price of a new game and everyone got it free. too much to keep a consistent business practice?

ding ding.. WINNER!

So in other words you think you should get the same content (or in this case arguably more because you think you should get DLC developed from cut content you never would have gotten at all) from games as you did 10 years ago but pay them less actual value since your $60 now is not even worth what $50 was 10 years ago.

worded it a bit better, how's it now? suit your tastes yet?

[Descedent]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

MonkeySeeker wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Amazon's response :

LOL


Amazon Video Games @amazongames

Want to you get "From Ashes" for Mass Effect 3? Order the Digital Deluxe version and get this DLC +$10 game credit. amzn.to/Awc50K

What's the point in that when the Digital Deluxe version gets the DLC anyway?

cause obviously it means you aren't even paying for the $10 of the extra 20$ for DDE for the dlc in the DDE......with the 10$ credit. this isn't rocket science

Actualy in some ways its a terrible business practice because its showing favoritism to the people who buy the DDE since they get ALL of the the same digital content as the collectors edition  while only paying the same price as the SE.

Thats only if its there for the express reason of the DLC though, which it isnt since afaik all versions of ME 3 from amazon have a $10 credit so its more a marketing point for the game in general and not related to the DLC.

FACEPALM. the standards get the10$ credit too..... which just means regardless of what edition you bought it's 10$ less technically.

life is hard

Only if you buy it from another distributer, I was saying that giving a credit to the DDE only because they get the DLC would be unfair to their customers if its unfair to people who purchase the game anywhere else is completely another issue. 

why would you not buy from amazon?! no tax, no shipping costs, and release date delivery!

[SweetJeeba]

So for $60 we are getting 40 or more hours of content. How many hours are we getting for the dlc and does it match the same value I'm getting with $60 for 40 hours

[Kithrus]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

So make it free

What do you do for a living?

If someone asked/told/demanded you do it for free, what would you tell them?

I grind cement floors to make a pattern into them so people don't slip and fall. If I were for example to have a new methode of making my grinding teeth do a better pattern for cheaper and didn't tell the customer that would be bad business.

They would ask me to give them the differance back or something to that effect.

[ArkkAngel007]

Tiax and Bluumberry just summed up the main opinion of all the people in the thread who have nothing better to do than be arrogant, narrow-minded individuals who won't even listen.

To the mentioned above: Not directed at the two of you specifically, just stating the issue with the thread using your comments.

[Chozo_Hybrid]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

I know I'm not the only one who appreciates your responses, Mike. Thanks for explaining Bioware's position on this.

I think the question of whether it should have been included with the full game (or offered as a free download for all copies of ME3) is still worthy of debate, as it highlights a moral issue. It's sad that so many people (on both sides) are unwilling to engage in a civil discussion about this, but I think it's an important issue nonetheless.

Thanks for quoting that post, I must have missed that.

[nightcobra]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

collectors editions should not consist of story, plot or gamplay additions.

CE people are (should be) paying for hardcover artbooks, lithographs, soundtracks (cosmetic stuff)

hell must be freezing over....me and tiax in agreement:wizard:

i always saw and remembered seeing the collector's edition of games as the version of the game that came with the physical collectibles and/or downloadable "making of" videos/ soundtracks.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 23 février 2012 - 10:23 .

[Niemack Saarinen]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

collectors editions should not consist of story, plot or gamplay additions.

CE people are (should be) paying for hardcover artbooks, lithographs, soundtracks (cosmetic stuff)

because you say so? 

[The Narf]

Goth Skunk wrote...

The Narf wrote...

It is disgusting. They should just include it in the normal purchase OR I'm not just boycutting the game, I'm boycutting EA as a whole, And I'll tell those who listen to my podcasts to do the same.

I'm sure Bioware will miss all 5 of those sales.

That is, if your audience listens to you.

If they're smart, they'll unsuscribe.

Well, it is fine if you want to pay extra cool, buy the CE with some aesthetic cool outfits, but when they exclude content from the game because of time or team differences in development it is just plain wrong.

I can pay the extra money for the extra content, is it ok? No, no by god it is not. When one buy a game the team behind it should live up to the trust given to them and give the players paying all they have made, after that they can continue to develop extra content for the ubber fans to buy. But a Prothean is just not for the ubber fans, that is the thing which the game evolves around.

They are milking their fans. And that is just not O.K.

This guy summed it up quite well.

Tiax Rules All wrote...

collectors editions should not consist of story, plot or gamplay additions.

CE people are (should be) paying for hardcover artbooks, lithographs, soundtracks (cosmetic stuff)

Modifié par The Narf, 23 février 2012 - 10:20 .

[Nohvarr]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

collectors editions should not consist of story, plot or gamplay additions.

CE people are (should be) paying for hardcover artbooks, lithographs, soundtracks (cosmetic stuff)

Hmmmm, you're trying to sell me on your point of view....I'm not buying what your selling here.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 23 février 2012 - 10:19 .

[ForceXev]

RiouHotaru wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

A lot of people are debating whether or not the Prothean character is an important part of the story or not, whether the content can be called "optional" or not. But that is totally irrelevant. You're right, the Prothean IS technically optional. Probably more than 90% of the game can be called "optional." You could take out all of the romance scenes, and then put out a DLC called the "Romance Pack" and it would be exactly the same thing. Romance is optional. Personally, I wouldn't care because that stuff is not very important to me. But if they took it out and then sold it as a separate add-on, a lot of people would be livid.

This is no different. People who care a lot about the story, the lore and background of the ME universe feel that a Prothean character is just as important as the romance scenes are to people who are into the space soap opera stuff. You can't tell another person what is or is not important to them. Who are you to make that distinction for others? If you think the Prothean isn't important, good for you -- you don't need to buy it. But think about something that is important to you, whether it be romance arcs, the reunion with Ash/Kaiden, maybe even a favorite class you are looking forward to playing -- any of these things could be called "optional." You can play through the whole game without them, and you would still get all of the Reaper story. Would you still say it's OK to take out something and sell it separately if it is meaningful to you?

That's a poor argument and rife with logical fallacies.  The "romances", "game classes", and what not are all part of the CORE experience.  The game was designed with those in mind.

Companion characters are part of the "CORE" experience, too.  The game was designed with them in mind.

Claiming they're "optional" because their removal wouldn't impact the
game (in your opinion) is silly because you weren't there for game
development..

That doesn't even make sense.  I can't say romances are optional because I wasn't there for development?  I don't need to be there for development to know that I could have played ME and ME2 without ever starting a romance.  And you only need 1 game class to play through the game.  They could easily have condensed it to 4 classes, and then offered a 5th class as bonus content.  No different than what they're doing with the Prothean.

Again, simply because he's a Prothean doesn't suddenly
make him vital.  Yes, he's a very nice piece of lore.  But no-one's
experience would be diminished for not having him.

You can't speak for everyone's experience.  "He's a very nice peice of lore" may be the most important statement to someone who cares a lot about lore.  I would trade all of the romance scenes and 100 hours of combat for one "very nice piece of lore."  It absolutely diminishes my experience to miss out on this character.

[Clayless]

Just to ask, why do people who demand this for free call Bioware greedy?

[streamlock]

You know, I was actually one that was pushing for all game companies to make available special/vendor/etc. content available-even at extra cost to the consumer if nothing else.

When I said that I was thinking for along the lines of alternate outfits, weapon packs, maybe a couple pieces of gear/armor....

Not a freakin' 4/5 of a gig of a fully VO'd, special mission, totally integrated living bloody Prothean! And the damn alternate outfits to boot! Jesus H!

Beware what you ask for I suppose....

Anyway. I understand both sides of the equation. What is inexcusable is the handling of the situation. Now there are people who are just vehemently opposed to DLC of any kind-especially D1 DLC, and they will go nuts no matter what.

Excluding them, the massive outcry could have been 'somewhat' averted if instead of Priestly quietly trying to brush under the rug the N7 character/mission leak-to come clean and say "Hey, yeah we are doing something special for long time fans of the series and N7 edition people will get this cool cat" and go on to say that they may or may not make it available for purchase to other versions.

Likely, the N7's would have sold out even faster-they would have had time to order more (I don't know the difference in mark up, so this may or may not be the case, it can be lower in some cases) and eventually would have had to make it available to SE edition players anyway.

Now putting aside that something of that magnitude for a CE only item is borderline retarded to begin with-it would have at least given the fans-you know the ones they keep telling us they are so devoted to a little more to go on instead of dropping the bomb two weeks before launch would have been somewhat less of this disastrous PR debacle.

It's really bad form, and poorly handled all the way around. Angry game nerd, or biodrone-you have to admit that this was an absolutely horrible way to work this, if nothing else from a PR and marketing perspective. I guess I can think of worse ways to handle, like not saying anything until people had the game in hand, but not much.

Thank god for the DD edition is all I can say. I pre-purchased late.

[Goth Skunk]

foo man chew wrote...

 
And  almost 200 pages later.people defending this day one dlc are just as much of the problem as ever because they not only allow companies to do this to them they are actually so pathetic they defend the company thats ripping them of.

Hey, idiot, I can think for myself. I will be the judge of whether or not I'm being ripped off. Not you, and not anyone else in this thread.

On that note, no, neither Bioware nor EA is ripping me off.

You, and your kind, are the problem with the gaming community. You and your kind are the reason why the general public looks upon us with such shock and disdain, thinking that at 30 years of age we all still live in our parents basements and work some menial, minimum wage job. They cannot fathom anyone actually being successful playing video games for recreation.

Don't EVER speak for me.

[RiouHotaru]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I boggles my mind when people think they can and should defend practices like this.

I want to credit them with having thier own opinions but it just seems they are either blinded by fandom, lack common sense or otherwise are just poor consumers.

Do know why we're defending it?  Because we have the devs telling us what the process is and how the development works.  It's clear that (at least for Bioware) the claim that "content is purposefully cut, delayed, then sold back" is a lie where they are concerned.

Casey and Mike have both stated with sincereity that the reason From Ashes is "Day 1 DLC" is so that everyone who wants to enjoy it, can.  Not just the folks lucky enough to get a CE pre-order.

[Solgineer]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

collectors editions should not consist of story, plot or gamplay additions.

CE people are (should be) paying for hardcover artbooks, lithographs, soundtracks (cosmetic stuff)

because you say so? 

Actually, this is common practice with MANY other games. Fallout New Vegas had stuff like playing cards and a Platinum Chip. It's called a COLLECTOR'S edition for a reason - collectibles.

[KBomb]

@Draconis6666

Have you even been to sleep? You must be dead off your feet. You have a reply on nearly every page out of nearly 200! lol

Modifié par KBomb, 23 février 2012 - 10:22 .

[Draconis6666]

foo man chew wrote...

 
Almost 200 pages later and nothing has changed:

The supporters of the DLC are still right.

Everyone else is flat out wrong.
Still, they bang their heads against walls . And  almost 200 pages later.people defending this day one dlc are just as much of the problem as ever because they not only allow companies to do this to them they are actually so pathetic they defend the company thats ripping them of.

Because unlike you we still understand that we are not being ripped off by being offered a CHOICE to pay for something we may not want instead of having it forced upon us. What you want is to rip off the game companies, you want them to provide you with the same game and charge you the same amount of money as they did 10 years ago. In fact you are saying that they should give you MORE than they did 10 years ago in the form of content removed from the game and still ony pay them $60 which is actualy giving them LESS money for their work than you did when you gave them $50 10 years ago.

If you disagree with paying for DLC fine, but you cant have everythign you want. Dont want to pay for extra content fine, but then dont expect it to exist, or not come in the form of higher costs of the game in general. 

[Evilelf007]

I bought the collectors edition for the in game content primarily...as did most people ink sure...it helps sell the edition, and as long as people want it, they will make it!

I love getting extra content like this!

[TheStoner]

Goth Skunk wrote...

CorkonianCowboy wrote...

I think it is a good but not perfect comparasion, although the horse armour was ridiculous no argues there.
I think with the horse armour they tried something and failed but never repeated it, and went on to release much more substantial packs, same with Fallout 3.  These large packs are really what expensive Dlc's should be.
Bioware should have waited a month or two or three and then released this at a slightly reduced price, if they wanted to avoid anger.

Anger from lowlifes. What about the customers that paid for a collector's edition? You don't think they should get the same game plus a 'little something extra'?

If you had to choose between angering an economy customer and angering a premium customer, who would you choose?

They get tons extra with or without the dlc.

[fropas]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

collectors editions should not consist of story, plot or gamplay additions.

CE people are (should be) paying for hardcover artbooks, lithographs, soundtracks (cosmetic stuff)

. . . No I bought my CE specifically because in-game content was promised. BW is not Bethesda. I got 2 exclusive in-game sets of armor because I bought ME2 CE and I knew they would reward me for buying a CE a second time. I'm sorry you feel differently, but no I paid for in game perks.

[Goth Skunk]

The Narf wrote...

Well, it is fine if you want to pay extra cool, buy the CE with some aesthetic cool outfits, but when they exclude content from the game because of time or team differences in development it is just plain wrong.

I can pay the extra money for the extra content, is it ok? No, no by god it is not. When one buy a game the team behind it should live up to the trust given to them and give the players paying all they have made, after that they can continue to develop extra content for the ubber fans to buy. But a Prothean is just not for the ubber fans, that is the thing which the game evolves around.

They are milking their fans. And that is just not O.K.

No. They are not. They are offering customers that are willing to pay more for bonus content exactly what they want.