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[Daywalker315]

N7Infernox wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Wardka wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

People, I paid $20 extra for the CE, which includes Prothy as part of that $20 package. We all knew a DLC squad member would be part of that deal a long time ago. You want for free what I paid for? Um, how about no? Now, I didn't just pay for Prothy's DLC, but he was included in the purchase price. You should not be getting for free what I paid for. Sorry, there's no other way to slice it.

How about that I believe that you shouldn't have had to pay extra for "Prothy" in the first place? That you're being ripped off along with the rest of the people buying the game?

Then what did I pay for? A bunch of new guns, AA packs, a robodog, a digital soundtrack, an art book, etc? I bought the CE thinking, "Dang! I got a bang for my buck because I get this superficial stuff AND a DLC character! Cool!" You make him available to everyone, you take away one of the biggest reasons I bought the CE in the first place. He was advertised as being part of the CE, you can't expect BioWare to go back on themselves and go, "Just kidding guys, that guy we were gonna include as part of the CE? Yeah, everyone can have him now!"

The rest of the CE is WELL worth the $20. I'd pay for it right now if I could.

I don't know if I agree with that. I don't see $20 in value if Prothy was free. I'm also not a collector. The art book is cool but I'll look at it once. The Robo-Dog and hoodie I like and the guns are decent but I probably won't use them once I unlock other stuff.

[neubourn]

Xenogias wrote...

Neubourn. I certainly do see CE owners complaining. I see them canceling their CE's. The odd thing is it really wasnt leaked. What it was exactly maybe but the DLC itself has been there for a while. Yes, I have a problem with it. I had a problem with it long before this "OMG TB SAID IT" craze today. It didnt take a rocket scientist to look at the CE and look at the regular version and see that there was DLC on day 1. It didnt take a rocket scientist to see EA would see $$$$ by adding it to DLC for everyone. And it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see through the PR BS that Bioware is spinning to try and justify it.

All that said I also respect peoples CHOICE to think its ok and thier CHOICE to buy it. Do I think its wrong what they are doing with actual content being DLC on day 1? Yup. Am I going to speak with my money? Yup. But that doesnt mean what I believe is right and everyone else is wrong. All it means is I have diffrent standards than someone else. Mine are no better than anyone elses when it comes to something like this.

For thoes who dont understand what I just pointed out. All this back and forth on who is right and who is wrong is just a bunch of BS. Neither side is "right" or "wrong". All it is, is one side will give EA/Bioware money and be happy. Others, like myself, wont give EA/Bioware our money and be sad we arent playing ME3. It really is that simple. Its kind of like CoD. I wont give them my money for a copy/paste game but millions of people do and are happy with thier purchase.

thats fine. People are more then welcome to speak with their wallets. Ive done the same in the past (with EA no less).

Battlefield Bad Company 2: i loved the game, played it alot, heard they were coming out with a Vietname Expansion. I though "Cool, a way to expand my gaming experience!!" So...day comes to download it on Xbox 360, i look at the file size...and it was something like 3MB. THE DLC WAS ALREADY ON THE DISC!!! As much as i loved the game, and enjoyed playing with friends, regardless of how much fun they said it was, i flat out refuse to pay MORE money, to unlock content that i already paid for that is on the disc. thats where my principle stands. 

The thing about this, is that people think the opposite...that they are entitled to have DLC on their disc that isnt. People have no issue with CE items, so long as they are "cosmetic" or stuff they dont care about. But heaven forbid BW for making additional content that people DO want, then asking them to purchase content they want.

Its simple: if you want the content, then buy it. If you are against this practice, or dont want the content, then send the message by NOT purchasing it. Just dont think you are entitled to it.

[Texaboose]

All the arguing is making Prothy sad. I bet he's wishing he had stayed underground now

[Paragon Auducan]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

People aren't moaning because there is an exclusive DLC character, but because that DLC character is or at least should be pivitol to the plot.

If he's not pivitol to the plot his inclusion is utterly pointless.

A DLC IS NEVER PIVOTAL TO THE PLOT.
That would defy the meaning of DLC.

That's the point, a character of his background SHOULD be pivitol to the plot.

But it is not. So deal with it and stop complaining about something that is not and never will be. I would have love to have the Prothean built into the game but this is not the case and crying over it will change nothing.

Then how can you call yourself a fan, they deliberately made a character who could basically answer every question you have about the universe into a Zaeed.

[packardbell]

Entreri10 wrote...

This is so dumb, how people are going crazy over this, Bioware is giving an opportunity for those of us who couldn't get the CE to get an extra character that we wouldn't have gotten otherwise. 90% of games do crazy dlc b.s. and we gobble them up anyways, people need to relax, ME3 is still gonna be great with or without this character.

Except this was always planned as a DLC character and avaliable to be purchased from day 1, so your logic fails.

[LinksOcarina]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

I fear most people aren't willing to accept the fact that BioWare is in the wrong.

your a tool if you really believe that.


so you expect someones hard work just be free right because thats how you see the world?

If you are willing to accept this:
You are the tool. Seriously fanboy, look at reality, this is just a milking for a few extra dollars. Unethical and unacceptable.

I'm sorry, I refuse to speak with ignorant fools such as youself whose only proof of things is an arbitrary model found on the interent a ten year old made.

If you want to boycott thing so much do yourself a favor and troll EA offices with this page. Otherwise you are wasting all of our time with your bulls*it. 

[leondore]

Daywalker315 wrote...

leondore wrote...

Well, I was just waiting for a reply from BioWare and I got it. Just cancelled my CE on Amazon, can't support shady business practices like this.

Charging for day 1 dlc is bad enough, but when that dlc adds content and story within a story driven game, it goes from bad to ridiculous.

You're kidding ... you cancelled a pre-order for a version of the game that would have this DLC included? You realize it started as a bonus to people like you and I who ordered the DLC and they're letting other people get it for $10 ... wouldn't you be a little slighted if the thing they said was a bonus to you and I for ordering the CE ended up being given out for free to everyone anyway?

No, I didn't realize it was a bonus for CE, frankly I didn't know this extra char existed til I saw an article last night on http://www.gameranx.com/ , I pre-ordered in october, maybe they had already removed any mention of the extra squadmate in the description by that point, since this is what I see in the description now:

 
- Premium metal case featuring commemorative artwork of Commander Shepard
- 70-page hardbound art book featuring hundreds of unique and gorgeous illustrations from the BioWare development team
- Limited edition Mass Effect comic by Dark Horse Comics, complete with unique cover artwork
- Join the ranks of the N7 with the premium fabric N7 patch
- Exclusive 4x6 lithographic print featuring a one-of-a-kind piece of artwork
- A full collection of in-game content that can't be found anywhere else
- N7 Arsenal Pack - Bring the firepower with the N7 Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, SMG, and Pistol
- Robotic Dog - A faithful sidekick to keep you company on board the Normandy
- Squadmate Alternate Outfit Pack - New appearances for your favorite squad members
- N7 Hoodie - For Commander Shepard's casual days on board the Normandy
- Mass Effect 3 with the digital soundtrack
- A collection of forum and social badges, avatars, and perks

I preordered the CE for the artbook, I have alot of movie artbooks and a few game ones, and since the ME series is my favorite video game series out now and 20 dollars extra wasn't that much, getting the CE seemed logical.


As a CE preorderer (is that even a word) I know I get the content, but I don't agree with the way they're doing this, and as a consumer I don't have many options for expressing my distaste for a company's business practices and not buying a product seems to be the only one that has any real impact.

[nitefyre410]

MisterrAlex wrote...

I've posted this a few other places, but here's my personal theory and opinion to this matter:

People may disagree, but this is a absolute circle, as in the fact if they release the bonus DLC for free, then the CE owners would complain about the fact that it was exclusive for them and they paid 20 extra dollars for absolutely nothing, however, since the CE's were sold out super fast, Bioware wanted to offer the bonus character to other people, thus creating the From Dust DLC to everyone. Now, if the DLC stuck to CE only, people would be also complaining about the fact that it was exclusive to CE, and they couldn't get it because, maybe the CE was sold out, or they didn't have enough money at the time. Face it, if it was free, exclusive, whatever, it would all end up into complaining from everyone, it was stated a long time back that it was going to be in the CE anyways. I don't really care if you disagree or flame me, but this is my personal theory.

 


You are correct   that at thisit is rather cicular at  this point.   Which is  why  you don't release characters as paid DLC  content.  Now  this is one of the those lesser of the two evils... because the CE  buyers are getting everything that still comes with CE  still even if the make the  From  The Dust free...   While the SE buyers are getting the some pre-order bonus wepons and then are asked to pay for a  character as well  thats supposedly already in the game but not recuritable.  Which looks even worst if that rumor hold true's, why is that worst because the means that the SE people  who want Prothy are buying a 10 code for content that was there and done when the game came out.

Now I'm not saying that this is cause but it is rumor  and no reasonable thinking person would  think that they are still working dialogue and mission  content this close to release. The game is  most likely already printed on disc and waiting in the warehouse's

[Xellana]

Urza wrote...

I wonder if people will be as mad after ME3 comes out and the Prothean character has as little dialog outside the DLC mission as previous dlc characters.

If this really were the case I would be even more disappointed. How could they introduce something that epic to the story with so little to it....

The thing is...it does not matter at what angle you look at this thing. It´s always totally messed up.

Examples of things that are discussed here:

1. "From Ashes" as CE exclusive: messed up, because something that important should NEVER be CE exclusive. You could say that Bioware just says with this: "The game costs 75 Euros, and who can´t afford that gets a lesser version for 50 Euros". CE should NEVER have important lore stuff. Soundtracks, Artbooks, Poster, all okay. But NOT major plot.

2. "From Ashes" is not a major plot point: messed up, because a living, breathing prothean not being major to the plot just feels soo wrong in this universe that this would be even more stupid than the alternative (being it is a major plot point dlc), because it destroys the entire lore of the game

3. "From Ashes" was created after the game went gold: messed up, because with soo little development time and developed by a completely different team likely suggests, that this dlc falls under the cathegory of "2."

[Oswald The Garden Gnome]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

I fear most people aren't willing to accept the fact that BioWare is in the wrong.

actully i dont approve of dlc on release, but boycutting the game because of it and flaming the forums seems like overreacting to me. They haven't done anything they didn't do in dragon age 2

[Draconis6666]

Sledge454 wrote...

I can't believe there is arguing over this.

A Prothean character and missions is pretty much part of the basic plot. It should not be optional.

DLC for new guns, armor, and K9 from Doctor Who? Fine. But not a major plot point.

Really? A prothean has what to do with the reapers destroying the galaxy? you seem to think the plot of the game is "lets discover what happened to this race of dead aliens 50,000 years ago" because thats the only plot where a Prothean is gauranteed to have a huge role.

[Tazzmission]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

I fear most people aren't willing to accept the fact that BioWare is in the wrong.

your a tool if you really believe that.


so you expect someones hard work just be free right because thats how you see the world?

That work was done during development and should be part of the $60 game.

cry me a fn river dude. seriously so what if it was cut from the game? ever stop to realize that maybe javik is optional to have in your squad and is still important as a npc?

afterall there is already a confirmed permanent squad list wich is a total of 4 to 6 members

or this could have been cut mainly because you know the whole leaked script and everything wich imo is not bad at all

Modifié par Tazzmission, 23 février 2012 - 12:00 .

[Uzzy]

Michael Gamble wrote...
- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Michael, I simply do not believe you.

[Chibito]

Genshie wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

I fear most people aren't willing to accept the fact that BioWare is in the wrong.

So people are complaining about $10...? I understand that to some people that may actually be something. But really? Not saying anyone here is poor but still.

That argument can be used for anything and it's terrible.
"Hey I guess Liara's only in ME3 if you pay 10$. Are you really so poor that you can't afford that much? Oh, looks like it's Wrex too. 10$ more. But that ain't much right? Are you really complaining about something so little?"

[PSUHammer]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

I fear most people aren't willing to accept the fact that BioWare is in the wrong.

your a tool if you really believe that.


so you expect someones hard work just be free right because thats how you see the world?

If you are willing to accept this:
You are the tool. Seriously fanboy, look at reality, this is just a milking for a few extra dollars. Unethical and unacceptable.

Is your chart adjusted for inflation?

[Wolf]

El Ejcovero wrote...
your a tool if you really believe that.


If you are willing to accept this:

*snip*


You are the tool. Seriously fanboy, look at reality, this is just a milking for a few extra dollars. Unethical and unacceptable.

We get it, you like TB. Quit qouteing him like he's the damn almighty, you're making yourself look like a tool.

Modifié par Gaiden96, 23 février 2012 - 12:02 .

[Solgineer]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

People aren't moaning because there is an exclusive DLC character, but because that DLC character is or at least should be pivitol to the plot.

If he's not pivitol to the plot his inclusion is utterly pointless.

A DLC IS NEVER PIVOTAL TO THE PLOT.
That would defy the meaning of DLC.

That's the point, a character of his background SHOULD be pivitol to the plot.

But it is not. So deal with it and stop complaining about something that is not and never will be. I would have love to have the Prothean built into the game but this is not the case and crying over it will change nothing.

A prothean isn't important? I think you suffer from amnesia if you honestly think that a mysterious missing race constantly referenced is not important. Or maybe you didn't really even play Mass Effect at all.

[LinksOcarina]

packardbell wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

packardbell wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

packardbell wrote...

I can't believe people are trying to justify this decision. I've bought every single one of their games and pieces of DLC, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, milking your loyal customers of a purchase that should be available to all is downright insulting and makes me want to cancel my pre-order right away... maybe this will be my last Bioware purchase until they change their business ethics.. or at least EA.

tl;dr: It should be included for everyone, I see no reason why it wasn't, ala Sebastian, Zaeed and Shale... all available for free for loyal customers.

Sebastian wasn't free for customers who didn't get the signature edtion of the game. And people moaned over the fact that Zaeed and Shale were free for new buyers only at the time too, complaining that signing up and getting them for free over the cost of 10-15 dollars after the fact is wrong. 

So honestly, it doesn't matter how Bioware does things, because people will always think they are entitled to something that was made into a planned extra.

If you pre-ordered DA2 before a certain time then your copy would get a free upgrade to the signature edition which would include Sebastian and other bits of content at no extra cost, yes I would rather it be avaliable to all day 1 purchases of the game but it's still much better than this situation.. and Sebastian wasn't really intregal to the game, was just a nice character to have. But again it was a bonus to all the loyal customers who pre-order from day 1. Spin it al lyou want but this is not acceptable.

It's the same damn thing though. The character is extra content at no cost for those who got the collectors edition, and is optional content for those who wish to download it. If they decided to upgrade everything to the collectors edition suddenly to include the Prothean code in the box, people would still complain despite getting their way.

I'm not spinning anything really, i'm calling people out on the fact that their behavior towards this is unacceptable because its the choice of the company to do what they please with the product.

I don't care about CE's, why should loyal customers be punished for not buying the CE? Which I might add should only be purchased for the physical contents and not in-game stuff. They could of easily pleased the CE holders but adding actually more swag and not useless in-game DLC like a robot dog or alternative outfits.

i'm actually confused now...are you upset over this being no longer an exclusive part of the CE? or just upset that it exists in general? 

[CDRSkyShepard]

Wardka wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Then what did I pay for? A bunch of new guns, AA packs, a robodog, a digital soundtrack, an art book, etc? I bought the CE thinking, "Dang! I got a bang for my buck because I get this superficial stuff AND a DLC character! Cool!" You make him available to everyone, you take away one of the biggest reasons I bought the CE in the first place. He was advertised as being part of the CE, you can't expect BioWare to go back on themselves and go, "Just kidding guys, that guy we were gonna include as part of the CE? Yeah, everyone can have him now!"

You tell me?

I'm not clamoring for this to be changed so everyone gets it for free, because I'm well aware that Bioware under EA would never do that. EA's entire business model revolves around DLC. I'm saying that I find this business practice disgusting, and that I feel for everyone that got the raw end of this deal - which I believe includes you. I think that you paid for what should've been given to you for free, and I'm sad that people are so willing to let EA push them around.

I can see where y'all are coming from to some extent, except for one thing:

This was advertised to be part of the CE from the beginning. It's not like BioWare made some decision down the line to cut something from the main game and sell it. You can't say that everyone deserves to have it for free when we have known for a while now that a DLC squadmate would be available to CE buyers and separately for a price to SE buyers. If you didn't get the CE, you brought it upon yourself to buy it separately if you wanted it. I didn't get any raw end of any deal because I knew what I was getting into and what was included when I bought my CE. It was even part of my decision to buy the CE over the SE in the first place. It shouldn't be free content because it was never advertised as such. If people were going to make a stink over the CE getting a DLC squaddie as part of their package, they should have done it back when the CE was first announced.

[N7Infernox]

Daywalker315 wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Wardka wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

People, I paid $20 extra for the CE, which includes Prothy as part of that $20 package. We all knew a DLC squad member would be part of that deal a long time ago. You want for free what I paid for? Um, how about no? Now, I didn't just pay for Prothy's DLC, but he was included in the purchase price. You should not be getting for free what I paid for. Sorry, there's no other way to slice it.

How about that I believe that you shouldn't have had to pay extra for "Prothy" in the first place? That you're being ripped off along with the rest of the people buying the game?

Then what did I pay for? A bunch of new guns, AA packs, a robodog, a digital soundtrack, an art book, etc? I bought the CE thinking, "Dang! I got a bang for my buck because I get this superficial stuff AND a DLC character! Cool!" You make him available to everyone, you take away one of the biggest reasons I bought the CE in the first place. He was advertised as being part of the CE, you can't expect BioWare to go back on themselves and go, "Just kidding guys, that guy we were gonna include as part of the CE? Yeah, everyone can have him now!"

The rest of the CE is WELL worth the $20. I'd pay for it right now if I could.

I don't know if I agree with that. I don't see $20 in value if Prothy was free. I'm also not a collector. The art book is cool but I'll look at it once. The Robo-Dog and hoodie I like and the guns are decent but I probably won't use them once I unlock other stuff.

See this is the problem with the limited quantities of the CE. I would have actually used/looked at EVERY part of the CE materials more than once, and yet I can no longer get one. But of course what does EA care?- they already have everyone's money.

[aries1001]

I remember Bioware saying that Shale would be free with every new purchase of Dragon Age: Origins, in DA2, the Black Emporium was free with every new purchase. True, yiu had to pay for the Sebastian DLC, but as I see, this dlc was not integral nor was it that important to the story. (it was good, though).

And yes, we have know for nearly a year now that the CE edition of ME3 would get a special team-member and mission and some other stuff. This is not my point; the point I'm making is that Bioware seems to have forgotten that they wanted to reward those that bought the game early e.g. when it was first released. This was the reason for the free dlc (shale) and the free dlc (black emporium) in both DA:O and DA:2.

As I understand it, the From Ashes DLC will cost all gamers that do not have the CE edition of the game 10 US dollars? Isn't this contradictory to what Bioware (and EA) have been saying in the past - they want to offer initial free dlc to gamers on day 1 so that gamers will buy their games when they're first released.

Apart from the discussion over this, we do not know anything about how the Prothean is relevant to the story or what the mission is all about. As such, it could turn out to be not that a big a deal. But my initial question really is this: Will people who buy the ME3 game new have to pay 10 US dollars to get this DLC?

To me, the info still says 'yes'....I could be wrong, though...

[HiroVoid]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

The rest of the CE is WELL worth the $20. I'd pay for it right now if I could.

I agree with you on that, but here's the thing...if you essentially take Prothy away from being a CE incentive, then my $20 has less weight to it. I get less bang for my buck, you see?

Then there's the whole point of he was supposed to be the CE's DLC character from the beginning, and I went in knowing this. 
It was advertised as something I would get special for my pre-order and purchase of the CE. Making it available to everyone would be backtracking on something they promised to give the CE people as an incentive (granted, one of many).

I hate to say it, but you had to have known or at least thought there was a pretty good chance that an entire DLC character would be released later on.

[LucretoDrakor]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

LucretoDrakor wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

LucretoDrakor wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

I'm not bothered that the CE edition is getting an exclusive character, but I AM bothered it is a Prothean. If it were some human merc like Zaeed or Kasumi then woop de doo, keep him. But a Prothean is important to the story, and it is taking out a chunk of it.

CE pay for it. You can pay for it. Are you retarded or what there is nothing to complain about.

Don't you have any sence of morals or are you just so brainwashed your willing to give EA more money and reward them for this bull**** way of doing business?

Hey kid. I have money I bought CE to get DLC and stuff like that. Do I get it ? Yes. You pay for standard peasant edition and expect to have the same thing?... seriously...

Haha. No. I can buy the CE if I wanted to I don't expect to get the same as that if I was to buy the standard edition its a friggen pipe dream. Do you really think its worth it in the end this isn't about me whineing about not getting what a CE gets its about you and others just willing to let EA sell this stuff as they do when it would make alot more sence to put it all together. You won't admit to yourself that their doing anything wrong by putting content away from people in such a way its been done in many forms over the years evolveing till the presnt day where people just eat up all the crap they spew out. From what I read it might not even be worth having the character they ruined a perfectly good story element to just have as a side squadmate.

Oh now we enter in the "What could have been". Yes maybe the Prothean COULD have been a real squadmate instead of DLC but it is not and never will be. Crying over it is a waste of time.

Get off your friggen high horse you idiot DLC is a plague to the video game industry just admit it.

Modifié par LucretoDrakor, 23 février 2012 - 12:02 .

[Marionetten]

Uzzy wrote...

Michael, I simply do not believe you.

Could it because BioWare has used the other team excuse for every single piece of questionable DLC they have ever released even when the content had clearly been lifted straight from the game?