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[Tiax Rules All]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

collectors editions should not consist of story, plot or gamplay additions.

CE people are (should be) paying for hardcover artbooks, lithographs, soundtracks (cosmetic stuff)

because you say so? 

No because THEN it starts becoming the "complete edition" and "base edition"

[Niemack Saarinen]

Lufven1 wrote...

Reported.

Oh no!

[Goth Skunk]

The Narf wrote...

And if this was acceptable, it should be done Post Launch.

Says you.

My dollars contradict yours. They say it's acceptable. ANd look, there's an extra ten of them to outnumber yours. I win.

Fact of the matter is, this is totally acceptable, and I don't mind one bit that they're doing it.

[Akaranz]

page 200! 

Modifié par Akaranz, 23 février 2012 - 10:29 .

[Hardwired]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

Thats a tall speech coming from you man. All you have done today is put people down and been insulting. I would venture so far as to say that you, and people like you, are closer to the problem with the gaming community today

And you would be wrong.

I am the way I am today because of people that have made this thread the cesspool it is today: Entitlists ****ing about premium content being offered on a product the same day its released. Completely optionial, non-integral, bonus content.

You people make me sick.

Thats too bad, but it doesn't give you an all access pass to treat people like crap. If you can't stand the opinions of other, however diffrent from your they may be, then I don't really see why you even attemp to take part in a discussion.

[Draconis6666]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Tiax and Bluumberry just summed up the main opinion of all the people in the thread who have nothing better to do than be arrogant, narrow-minded individuals who won't even listen.

To the mentioned above: Not directed at the two of you specifically, just stating the issue with the thread using your comments.

The problem is listening. You listen to EA reps and Bioware cummunity reps too much. You believe everything they say as golden god facts.

I don't believe this is an innocent "totally extra content"

You cannot convince me that this piece of gameplay does not belong in the main game for free or at least free with new purchases.

I have read, researced commented on this practice here for YEARS. Don't tell me I dont listen. I see your side. I just find it totaly wrong and dismissive of the issue.

You cannot prove that what they say is false either, all that entitles you to is your right to tell them you wont pay for their product it doesnt give you the right to demand it be given to you because you think they witheld it from you. Based on your GUESS that it is somehow not totaly extra content.

Im not saying you arent entitled to your opinion on if its extra or not, but its rediculous to think that because you claim they are in a sense lying and that its not extra that it should be given to you, without any grounds to prove that beyond conjecture.

[rainasa]

*looks at page number* I don't know if I should laugh or cry. Ah, I know! I shall do both.

Modifié par rainasa, 23 février 2012 - 10:30 .

[foo man chew]

Hey goth skunk you tool you do speak for us when your dumb enough to support stuff like this with your money.Then companies feed off idiots like you.And anyone with any common sense gets stuck dealing with getting ripped off as a standard practice.People like you is what makes the gaming industry petty and all about nickel and diming.

[Atakuma]

Master DJB wrote...

I get rather annoyed, when there is exclusive content for people who bother to buy the CE, and end up having to share the content with people who did not bother to buy it. CE is for fans, so therefore I think that it should have extra stuff that others do not get. I hope that the rest of CE gear is not released to non-CE buyers, as it would end up having the CE buyers angry that the paid extra for nothing, and that it is no longer exclusive!

The character and mission are not referred to as exclusive, so you had no reason to expect it to be.

[TheStoner]

I would like to point out that saying that the dlc shouldn't cost extra isn't the same as saying it should be free. It is saying that the cost should be covered under the cost of the game. That's the problem with the concept of day 1 dlc. They are effectivly sectioning off part of the pre-launch devolopment time and charging for it.

[RiouHotaru]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Tiax and Bluumberry just summed up the main opinion of all the people in the thread who have nothing better to do than be arrogant, narrow-minded individuals who won't even listen.

To the mentioned above: Not directed at the two of you specifically, just stating the issue with the thread using your comments.

The problem is listening. You listen to EA reps and Bioware cummunity reps too much. You believe everything they say as golden god facts.

I don't believe this is an innocent "totally extra content"

You cannot convince me that this piece of gameplay does not belong in the main game for free or at least free with new purchases.

I have read, researced commented on this practice here for YEARS. Don't tell me I dont listen. I see your side. I just find it totaly wrong and dismissive of the issue.

We listen to them because they're the folks who MADE THE GAME.  It makes no sense for them go on Twitter and make statements that are misleading or straight up lies, especially when places like Kotaku or the Escapist are reporting what gets said and done.

And why lie about the development process too?  What good does it serve them to misdirect on how games are made when all it would take is anyone doing a little work to determine otherwise?

Basically, we believe them because it does them no service to be dishonest, especially now.

[wrdnshprd]

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

i have a hard time believing this DLC is any different than the shale/zaeed DLC.. please explain how those were free with EVERY version (standard or CE), while this DLC is not.

i have no doubt the DLC will be great.  thats not the issue.

what is the issue, is you guys are rewarding a select amount of your playerbase (CE buyers) and expecting the rest to shell out an extra $10, because i guess we arent 'most fans'.

cant you see how that would upset some people..

anyway.. think ive said my peace enough..

[The Narf]

Collector's Edition should contain stuff for collector's, not stuff that every fan would want.
"You exist, because we allow it. You will end, because we demand it"

[fropas]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

collectors editions should not consist of story, plot or gamplay additions.

CE people are (should be) paying for hardcover artbooks, lithographs, soundtracks (cosmetic stuff)

. . . No I bought my CE specifically because in-game content was promised. BW is not Bethesda. I got 2 exclusive in-game sets of armor because I bought ME2 CE and I knew they would reward me for buying a CE a second time. I'm sorry you feel differently, but no I paid for in game perks.

then you wanted the day one DLC in the first place, which could have been done if it was done like in ME2, free of charge in order to incentivate buying new.
if you wanted the collectibles skins/soundtracks, that's what the collector's editions are for.

Once again, Online MP passes incentivise new purchases, and BW promised CE consumers an additional mission and character in their CE trailer. They never promised SE players any "extra" content. I can't speak for BW but I can say that yes I wanted exclusive content from the start and I wanted SE players to either not have it or have to pay to get it. Sorry that's just how I feel.

[Tiax Rules All]

fropas wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Tiax and Bluumberry just summed up the main opinion of all the people in the thread who have nothing better to do than be arrogant, narrow-minded individuals who won't even listen.

To the mentioned above: Not directed at the two of you specifically, just stating the issue with the thread using your comments.

The problem is listening. You listen to EA reps and Bioware cummunity reps too much. You believe everything they say as golden god facts.

I don't believe this is an innocent "totally extra content"

You cannot convince me that this piece of gameplay does not belong in the main game for free or at least free with new purchases.

I have read, researced [sic] commented on this practice here for YEARS. Don't tell me I dont listen. I see your side. I just find it totaly wrong and dismissive of the issue.

Teehee  all these conspiracy theories sound funny considering were talking about a video game company.

Its not a conspiricy theory, its the real world of business. Its harsh and its dishonest by nature. You have to be an educated consumer. How many commision based salesman have told you to leave their store and buy the same product cheaper elsewhere? you have to do that research on your own.

[AlanC9]

Atakuma wrote...
No because people don't want to have to pay extra for things that could have been easily included with the game in the first place. Some just don't think it's fair that some people get more game than others.

It's not fair for people who pay for more game to get more game?

[100k]

*in an intitled voice* where are out pictures???

[rainasa]

wrdnshprd wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

i have a hard time believing this DLC is any different than the shale/zaeed DLC.. please explain how those were free with EVERY version (standard or CE), while this DLC is not.

i have no doubt the DLC will be great.  thats not the issue.

what is the issue, is you guys are rewarding a select amount of your playerbase (CE buyers) and expecting the rest to shell out an extra $10, because i guess we arent 'most fans'.

cant you see how that would upset some people..

anyway.. think ive said my peace enough..

the ceberus network was free because it was a marketing ploy by Bioware to get people to continue to by a new version of the game instead of a used one. but for mass effect 3 multiplayer takes that position, so they added the squadmember into the CE and as day one DLC

[obie191970]

Atakuma wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

collectors editions should not consist of story, plot or gamplay additions.

CE people are (should be) paying for hardcover artbooks, lithographs, soundtracks (cosmetic stuff)

because you say so? 

No because people don't want to have to pay extra for things that could have been easily included with the game in the first place. Some just don't think it's fair that some people get more game than others.

Yet, it was advertised and offered to everyone.  It's not like there was some exclusive club that only had access to it.  You chose not to purchase it.  Fine, but now it includes something that sounds good to you.  And you want for free what others spent an extra $20 for.  Seriously, BSN is a bunch of Veruca Salt's....

Modifié par obie191970, 23 février 2012 - 10:36 .

[Draconis6666]

TheStoner wrote...

I would like to point out that saying that the dlc shouldn't cost extra isn't the same as saying it should be free. It is saying that the cost should be covered under the cost of the game. That's the problem with the concept of day 1 dlc. They are effectivly sectioning off part of the pre-launch devolopment time and charging for it.

But thats only very marginay true, they are charging you for minor work done on voice overs and organization done during pre-launch development. The rest of the game is developed during Post-Certification during which there is NO development on the game itself so Pre-launch Development has ended, that is what you are paying for and its something I still fail to see how people can continue to claim other than simple lack of understanding of the fact that games stop being DEVELOPED a month or more before they ever release.

[Evilelf007]

Collectors editions are for whatever the manufacturer thinks they can put in them and make a profit. They made the game to make money. Without profit in mind the series never gets made in the first place.

They are very good at what they do and put out an amazing game. They deserve to reap the rewards of their hard work, and can distribute their product the way they feel is best.

If you don't like it, go make your own product and do things differently then.

There is nobody getting screwed by this, as nobody has to even purchase the product in the first place, let alone every extra they make available in any form.

[fropas]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

collectors editions should not consist of story, plot or gamplay additions.

CE people are (should be) paying for hardcover artbooks, lithographs, soundtracks (cosmetic stuff)

because you say so? 

No because THEN it starts becoming the "complete edition" and "base edition"

The CE is not complete. Even though I preordered from Gamestop I miss out on a shotgun I'd love to have, and I'm sure new DLC will com out which I'll have to purchase. But yes their is a SE of the game and in that edition you can complete the ME trilogy by beating the reapers, but you don't get any of the additional content. If you bought the SE and you want the "extra" content then you should pay for it (like I did) but I see no reason why SE consumers should get extra features.

[Lufven1]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Tiax and Bluumberry just summed up the main opinion of all the people in the thread who have nothing better to do than be arrogant, narrow-minded individuals who won't even listen.

To the mentioned above: Not directed at the two of you specifically, just stating the issue with the thread using your comments.

The problem is listening. You listen to EA reps and Bioware cummunity reps too much. You believe everything they say as golden god facts.

I don't believe this is an innocent "totally extra content"

You cannot convince me that this piece of gameplay does not belong in the main game for free or at least free with new purchases.

I have read, researced commented on this practice here for YEARS. Don't tell me I dont listen. I see your side. I just find it totaly wrong and dismissive of the issue.

We listen to them because they're the folks who MADE THE GAME.  It makes no sense for them go on Twitter and make statements that are misleading or straight up lies, especially when places like Kotaku or the Escapist are reporting what gets said and done.

And why lie about the development process too?  What good does it serve them to misdirect on how games are made when all it would take is anyone doing a little work to determine otherwise?

Basically, we believe them because it does them no service to be dishonest, especially now.

I'm much more interested in what is NOT said in public actually. You shouldn't believe everything said on the internet, especially on Twitter.

[Solgineer]

AlanC9 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...
No because people don't want to have to pay extra for things that could have been easily included with the game in the first place. Some just don't think it's fair that some people get more game than others.

It's not fair for people who pay for more game to get more game?

"Collector's Edition". You aren't paying for more game, as evident by the title. You are paying for stuff like.. you know.. physical, collectible goodies. From Ashes is something anyone can buy so it's not even collectible.