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[Sevsquad]

I think the problem people have with this is that while optional, seems rather important. Like having day one DLC for an NFL team in Madden. Sure you can still play the game without them but their pretty important to the overall game, and playing without them is going to feel like your missing out. What I'm more baffled by however is your decision to reward your loyal fans by charging them $10 or $20 dollars extra for the privilege. now don't get me wrong, no one could care less you added some superfluous BS to the digital special addition, but when you put in something that should be part of the core game and call it extra, you can't think no one is going to care.

[Kithrus]

The Narf wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

It's been posted a few times already mate. :happy:

Can't be posted too much on the other hand.

True dat

[Draconis6666]

Liara T wrote...

You should probably watch this video by TotalBiscuit "Why I think Bioware has gone too far with Mass Effect 3" 

 

400,000 people have


5% chose to comment on their feelings.


video proves nothing.

[mogonk]

Evilelf007 wrote...

Other than a vocal minority, nobody has a problem with this.

My observation has been the opposite.  I see new posters in this thread and the threads on every other forum coming in every few minutes to complain while a handful of angry Bioware fans post over and over to insult them and defend this exploitative nonsense.

[rainasa]

EJ107 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Sure, you can disagree all you want with Bioware's methods, but don't expect any sympathy, and don't expect people to agree with you either.

In the end, you voicing your disagreement sounds like nothing more than whining to most everyone else.

Except that, on this thread alone there are many, many people who agree with those complaining. In fact, I'd say that they might even outnumber those who are happy with this. 

again, its not really fair to generalize, some peoples complaints are completely legitimate (issues like how the squadmate is a prothean and the fact that they choose to announce it so late) while others are just so out there it sounds like a conspiracy theroy (bioware removed a part of the game on purpose to be used as a dlc, this action is illegal!)

[Megakoresh]

So let me get this straight.
We get the most lore-important race as a squadmate? This is ALREADY done, which mean it has been planned, which in turn obviously means he IS an important part of the story and you are charging 10 euros for this?
In ME2 the Arrival DLC was one of the most important parts of the story of the ENTIRE friggin game, but I can get behind it being a 5euros DLC because it was developed post laucnh to ENHANCE the experience. Bioware were giving players a chance to enhance their experience by playing the "intermission" part between ME2 and ME3 plots and not just reading about it or something. You know if it would be some lowly human mercenary with evil smile I would get behind it, but it is a ****ING PROTHEAN! I don't care who developed it! I don't care if it was before or after the game went gold. It is vital to the lore character that is NOT an afterthought. It is developed before launch and they want us to pay 10 goddamn euros for this?
Well, know that you have made me cancel a preorder to the final part of my most favourite series of game in all my 12 years of gaming. Who goddamn disgraceful is that? I own every pice of damn DLC for ME2. I played it for 500 hours and 200 hours the first one. Is THAT how you treat the fans of the series? By ripping them off with a character they would really love to see? I for one don't have the 10 euros, I am just a ****ing student! I have other expenses especially now. Pathetic.

[ArkkAngel007]

Liara T wrote...

You should probably watch this video by TotalBiscuit "Why I think Bioware has gone too far with Mass Effect 3" 

 

Again, just his opinion, and that's all he has.  No facts, evidence...just 25 minutes of ranting.  

I'm not saying he doesn't have a point, because he does.  But I wish people would actually take into consideration on what has been discussed since then and the easy and best solution: Not buying the DLC.

[Mclouvins]

Liara T wrote...

You should probably watch this video by TotalBiscuit "Why I think Bioware has gone too far with Mass Effect 3" 

 

This being the same guy who sang the praises of DE:HR and it's premium edition that had a mission that had to be purchased separately for not premium buyers...

[AlanC9]

ForceXev wrote...
This is why Day 1 DLC is especially gnarly.  For a lot of people, especially these days, paying $60 just for some home entertainment is a lot. 

As mentioned upthread, that's pretty near the historical average price for games.

[RiouHotaru]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

CE = Complete Edition
SE = Substandard Edition

There is no "crime" here. Just a very slippery road to the end of video gaming as we know it.
Episodic content, pay as you go, dlc as requirements. Its all in store for the future of gaming.

At least you're admitting to using a logical fallacy.  And really, this is silly.  Day-1 DLC does not spell the end of gaming.  It's like clockwork.  You assume that if Day-1 DLC is allowed, that there's some inevitable cataclysm where all games will broken up into DLC.

You're saying that a probability for abuse will turn into a certainty.  But there's nothing to support that.

[Massefeckt]

Omilophile wrote...

Really people? You're angry that you have to pay for something in this world? *gasp* It was originally only supposed to be for people who bought the Collector's Edition, so you never would've gotten it to begin with. If I were you, I'd count my blessings and say,"Well, at least I have the option if I want it."

You don't have to buy it, but Bioware wanted to throw a bone to those who DIDN'T get the CE. Part of the problem with this world is that people think they are entitled to everything without having to give anything up in exchange. Get over yourselves.

Wow just wow. Salesmen must just love you.

"I want to complain about this new car I just bought!"

"Oh you bought this new car and aren't happy with?"

"Yes theres no wheels! Where are my wheels!"

"The wheels? Oh no sir they aren't part of the car, they were developed later I'm afraid they will cost you extra."

"Oh okay then whatever you say, here's my credit card"

"Ah thankyou sir yes just sign here in blood thats right"

"What doesn that small print say about my soul?"

"Oh don't worry about that sir it's just the small print nothing for you to worry about, now once your done signing that if you could just bend over my desk"

Zzziiip

[AlanC9]

Megakoresh wrote...

So let me get this straight.
We get the most lore-important race as a squadmate? This is ALREADY done, which mean it has been planned, which in turn obviously means he IS an important part of the story .

Doesn't follow.

[heart again]

"Assumes CE content will be worthless"

Turns out it isn't.

"Throws a fit demanding it be made free for everyone"

Stay classy, young entitled gamers, stay classy.

[TheStoner]

Draconis6666 wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

I'm much more interested in what is NOT said in public actually. You shouldn't believe everything said on the internet, especially on Twitter.

Part of the point is that for an actual debate to take place its now the responsibility of the people who believe the statement Bioware has made to provide proof that these things are not the case. In most cases they fail to do so and just reply wiht "your lying i dont believe you durr" which is not a logical form of debate and doesnt help their case.

Unless you have proof that what bioware claims about the development cycle is false you have only conjecture to base your OPINION around. You do not however base arguments on Opinion and expect them to hold much weight, if you do you are foolish because if arguments are based on Opinion they are pointless from the beginning because everyone is immediately wrong and immediately right.

I do. Bioware said 'The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished)
The demo (which according to Bioware was based on a old build at the time of release) contained files for the prothean. Hence the prothean began development before the final build was made. Pleased? I mean it's not proof that they lied about the other stuff but it is proof that they are willing to provide misinfomation. Unless I made a mistake:blush:

The prothean was planned during the leak yes, the files that are present in the demo are voice files that are likely from early stages of production before he was cut from the core game or that were developed alongside the main game to save development costs. That does not mean that the CONTENT of the DLC was developed at that point, only that a few Voice files existed. You are not paying them for just the voice files when you buy the DLC you are paying for the mission the character model and its animations etc. Which there is no evidence was developed prior to when they say it was. (the model and basic annimations perhaps since it was used in one of the trailers, but that doesnt really mean anything either lots of things go into trailers that are never even in the game) I

So yes you can argue they should not charge you for the voice files, or maybe a static model and few frames of animation that might be in the actual game build if you really want to, but I doubt that its enough of the core content of the DLC to be grounds to demand the entire thing be free

You assume alot. You asked for proof of lies I gave you proof of a lie. They say it was devolped after certification. We know that at least a bit of it wasn't.

[Ianamus]

rainasa wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Sure, you can disagree all you want with Bioware's methods, but don't expect any sympathy, and don't expect people to agree with you either.

In the end, you voicing your disagreement sounds like nothing more than whining to most everyone else.

Except that, on this thread alone there are many, many people who agree with those complaining. In fact, I'd say that they might even outnumber those who are happy with this. 

again, its not really fair to generalize, some peoples complaints are completely legitimate (issues like how the squadmate is a prothean and the fact that they choose to announce it so late) while others are just so out there it sounds like a conspiracy theroy (bioware removed a part of the game on purpose to be used as a dlc, this action is illegal!)

I agree that the conspiracy complaints are a bit out-there, but it is a bit silly to come here and say "Dont expect sympathy" when this thread is full of people voicing very legitimate complaints and sympathising with each other already. 

[Lufven1]

AlanC9 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...
.Some just don't think it's fair that some people get more game than others.

It's not fair for people who pay for more game to get more game?

No it's not, because there shouldn't be more game to pay for.

OK, a straight-up socialist argument. Good luck with that.

Oh don't go there. You know very well what he/she meant.

Modifié par Lufven1, 23 février 2012 - 10:59 .

[Kroepoek]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Liara T wrote...

You should probably watch this video by TotalBiscuit "Why I think Bioware has gone too far with Mass Effect 3" 

 

Again, just his opinion, and that's all he has.  No facts, evidence...just 25 minutes of ranting.  

I'm not saying he doesn't have a point, because he does.  But I wish people would actually take into consideration on what has been discussed since then and the easy and best solution: Not buying the DLC.

Easy and best solution is to not buy the dlc? The best solution is to not buy the game at all and ignore any future Bioware titles as a whole.

Modifié par Fix1o0, 23 février 2012 - 11:00 .

[fatalmaverick]

 I'd say that both sides are speculation, so it would be wrong to assume one speculation is right above the other. Just because the dev 'says so' doesn't make it true.

www.youtube.com/watch

[Almostfaceman]

Liara T wrote...

You should probably watch this video by TotalBiscuit "Why I think Bioware has gone too far with Mass Effect 3" 

Spam in my lunchbox at work - spam and more - don't think about nutrition wonder what's inside it now...

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 23 février 2012 - 11:00 .

[Goth Skunk]

EJ107 wrote...

Stop calling other peoples opinions wrong. It makes you look like a pathetic man-child who can't stand the fact that people disagree with you. 

Which is no different from the majority of posters in this thread, except I'm right, and they're wrong.

[Kithrus]

AlanC9 wrote...

ForceXev wrote...
This is why Day 1 DLC is especially gnarly.  For a lot of people, especially these days, paying $60 just for some home entertainment is a lot. 

As mentioned upthread, that's pretty near the historical average price for games.

I paid them for that development time in the price of the
game they are double dipping into my wallet.

So no that doesn't apply here because I'm pay 60 PLUS DLC.

So 70 or more. 80 for the collectors edition.

[Draconis6666]

AlanC9 wrote...

ForceXev wrote...
This is why Day 1 DLC is especially gnarly.  For a lot of people, especially these days, paying $60 just for some home entertainment is a lot. 

As mentioned upthread, that's pretty near the historical average price for games.

beyond that thousands if not millions of people go out and spend $10 on a movie ticket for a movie they get to see once every day. The cost of Video games is quite low for what you get out of it, gamers are simply spoiled by the industry providing them with a product at a relatively constant price in relation to other industries and expect that this is the way it has to be because of that. When every other industry and expeciay luxury industries prove otherwise.

[rainasa]

mogonk wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Other than a vocal minority, nobody has a problem with this.

My observation has been the opposite.  I see new posters in this thread and the threads on every other forum coming in every few minutes to complain while a handful of angry Bioware fans post over and over to insult them and defend this exploitative nonsense.

hey, now. I've tried to be as civil as I can in this minefield of a discussion and comments like this only serve to validate the opinions of the more....extreme defenders, really the ammount of hateful comments flying around in the thread is just beyond silly even by BSN standards.

Modifié par rainasa, 23 février 2012 - 11:01 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

You guys knew for the longest that the CE had the bonus char/mission... without any complaining.

Why complaints are happening now over this is a little strange. Sure there's no incentive to buy ME3 new (unless you want to play MP... and you have to be a Gold subscriber for that to even matter on the 360...), but isn't that a plus for the consumer to buy used instead (and use the difference to pay down the cost of the Day 1 DLC)?

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 23 février 2012 - 11:01 .

[zqrahll]

I don't see why people bother arguing in a thread like this. You either bow willingly to our corporate overlords or you don't. Personally, I have already bowed once since I bought the CE of ME3, but my decision to never again bow for Bioware/EA has been made.

They already killed the DA & Kotor series, why shouldn't they get to drive me away from future Mass Effect games also?