Draconis6666 wrote...
400,000 people have
5% chose to comment on their feelings.
video proves nothing.
N7Infernox wrote...
Facepalm
Go look at the CE listing on the official page, or even one of the old ones. NEVER does it say that the character/mission dlc was exclusive to the CE. In fact, it was the only thing that wasn't exclusive.
Michael Gamble wrote...
- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.
- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.
mogonk wrote...
Evilelf007 wrote...
Other than a vocal minority, nobody has a problem with this.
My observation has been the opposite. I see new posters in this thread and the threads on every other forum coming in every few minutes to complain while a handful of angry Bioware fans post over and over to insult them and defend this exploitative nonsense.
Atakuma wrote...
Since you clearly have nothing to say you'd be better off not saying anything.AlanC9 wrote...
Atakuma wrote...
No it's not, because there shouldn't be more game to pay for.AlanC9 wrote...
It's not fair for people who pay for more game to get more game?Atakuma wrote...
.Some just don't think it's fair that some people get more game than others.
OK, a straight-up socialist argument. Good luck with that.
Massefeckt wrote...
Omilophile wrote...
Really people? You're angry that you have to pay for something in this world? *gasp* It was originally only supposed to be for people who bought the Collector's Edition, so you never would've gotten it to begin with. If I were you, I'd count my blessings and say,"Well, at least I have the option if I want it."
You don't have to buy it, but Bioware wanted to throw a bone to those who DIDN'T get the CE. Part of the problem with this world is that people think they are entitled to everything without having to give anything up in exchange. Get over yourselves.
Wow just wow. Salesmen must just love you.
"I want to complain about this new car I just bought!"
"Oh you bought this new car and aren't happy with?"
"Yes theres no wheels! Where are my wheels!"
"The wheels? Oh no sir they aren't part of the car, they were developed later I'm afraid they will cost you extra."
"Oh okay then whatever you say, here's my credit card"
"Ah thankyou sir yes just sign here in blood thats right"
"What doesn that small print say about my soul?"
"Oh don't worry about that sir it's just the small print nothing for you to worry about, now once your done signing that if you could just bend over my desk"
Zzziiip
mogonk wrote...
Evilelf007 wrote...
Other than a vocal minority, nobody has a problem with this.
My observation has been the opposite. I see new posters in this thread and the threads on every other forum coming in every few minutes to complain while a handful of angry Bioware fans post over and over to insult them and defend this exploitative nonsense.
mogonk wrote...
Evilelf007 wrote...
Other than a vocal minority, nobody has a problem with this.
My observation has been the opposite. I see new posters in this thread and the threads on every other forum coming in every few minutes to complain while a handful of angry Bioware fans post over and over to insult them and defend this exploitative nonsense.
Kithrus wrote...
I paid them for that development time in the price of theAlanC9 wrote...
ForceXev wrote...
This is why Day 1 DLC is especially gnarly. For a lot of people, especially these days, paying $60 just for some home entertainment is a lot.
As mentioned upthread, that's pretty near the historical average price for games.
game they are double dipping into my wallet.
So no that doesn't apply here because I'm pay 60 PLUS DLC.
So 70 or more. 80 for the collectors edition.
RiouHotaru wrote...
Balvale wrote...
I have been thinking about whether or not I want to purchase this game. I don't have the full details on the DLC so I don't know how integral it is to the Mass Effect universe. At the same time, I don't like the idea of having the money squeezed out of me. I don't want to buy the collectors edition for 20 dollars more just to get the DLC. I also can't see myself paying 10 dollars for a squad mate that could have been in the game at launch. I feel that DLC should make me come back to a game. Something purely after release that enriches the experience and encourages me to come back and play more.
The car without a steering wheel is an incorrect analogy. The game stands on its own without the DLC. But DLC like this sets a bad precedent. What if the Bioware team put resources into creating a different story ending that came as a paid DLC and was available at launch? The core game is still there. The story has an ending without the DLC. However, I couldn't help but feel ripped off. A large story element would be denied to me. The same could be said about paragon and renegade options. "Lets give your Sheppard the opportunity to react in a new way, a unique deviation from the standard hero or jerk options." If they had that developed and ready for launch but sold it as a DLC, I'd be pissed because I'd feel my Sheppard couldn't express himself to the full extent the game provides. I'd feel better if it came further down the road, of course. It would get me to play again.
As it stands, I'm leaning heavily towards not buying on day one and just buying the game used. I don't like the way this DLC is being handled and I don't want to support it. That pains me because I am, despite my feelings on this matter, a Bioware fan.
Why do people insist that companies would "abuse" DLC by making core elements into DLC when there's NO track record for that so far? Especially not by Bioware.
Hardwired wrote...
Case and point.
N7Infernox wrote...
Facepalm
Go look at the CE listing on the official page, or even one of the old ones. NEVER does it say that the character/mission dlc was exclusive to the CE. In fact, it was the only thing that wasn't exclusive.
Michael Gamble wrote...
- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.
- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.
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Fix1o0 wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Liara T wrote...
You should probably watch this video by TotalBiscuit "Why I think Bioware has gone too far with Mass Effect 3"
Again, just his opinion, and that's all he has. No facts, evidence...just 25 minutes of ranting.
I'm not saying he doesn't have a point, because he does. But I wish people would actually take into consideration on what has been discussed since then and the easy and best solution: Not buying the DLC.
Easy and best solution is to not buy the dlc? The best solution is to not buy the game at all and ignore any future Bioware titles as a whole.
Goth Skunk wrote...
CorkonianCowboy wrote...
I think it is a good but not perfect comparasion, although the horse armour was ridiculous no argues there.
I think with the horse armour they tried something and failed but never repeated it, and went on to release much more substantial packs, same with Fallout 3. These large packs are really what expensive Dlc's should be.
Bioware should have waited a month or two or three and then released this at a slightly reduced price, if they wanted to avoid anger.
Anger from lowlifes. What about the customers that paid for a collector's edition? You don't think they should get the same game plus a 'little something extra'?
If you had to choose between angering an economy customer and angering a premium customer, who would you choose?
fatalmaverick wrote...
I'd say that both sides are speculation, so it would be wrong to assume one speculation is right above the other. Just because the dev 'says so' doesn't make it true.
www.youtube.com/watch
Oh, please, the last thing we need is more strawman arguments. Next somebody brings ****s and godwin the thread.AlanC9 wrote...
OK, a straight-up socialist argument. Good luck with that.
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RiouHotaru wrote...
Balvale wrote...
I have been thinking about whether or not I want to purchase this game. I don't have the full details on the DLC so I don't know how integral it is to the Mass Effect universe. At the same time, I don't like the idea of having the money squeezed out of me. I don't want to buy the collectors edition for 20 dollars more just to get the DLC. I also can't see myself paying 10 dollars for a squad mate that could have been in the game at launch. I feel that DLC should make me come back to a game. Something purely after release that enriches the experience and encourages me to come back and play more.
The car without a steering wheel is an incorrect analogy. The game stands on its own without the DLC. But DLC like this sets a bad precedent. What if the Bioware team put resources into creating a different story ending that came as a paid DLC and was available at launch? The core game is still there. The story has an ending without the DLC. However, I couldn't help but feel ripped off. A large story element would be denied to me. The same could be said about paragon and renegade options. "Lets give your Sheppard the opportunity to react in a new way, a unique deviation from the standard hero or jerk options." If they had that developed and ready for launch but sold it as a DLC, I'd be pissed because I'd feel my Sheppard couldn't express himself to the full extent the game provides. I'd feel better if it came further down the road, of course. It would get me to play again.
As it stands, I'm leaning heavily towards not buying on day one and just buying the game used. I don't like the way this DLC is being handled and I don't want to support it. That pains me because I am, despite my feelings on this matter, a Bioware fan.
Why do people insist that companies would "abuse" DLC by making core elements into DLC when there's NO track record for that so far? Especially not by Bioware.
Modifié par Balvale, 23 février 2012 - 11:05 .
TheStoner wrote...
You assume alot. You asked for proof of lies I gave you proof of a lie. They say it was devolped after certification. We know that at least a bit of it wasn't.Draconis6666 wrote...
TheStoner wrote...
I do. Bioware said 'The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished)Draconis6666 wrote...
Lufven1 wrote...
I'm much more interested in what is NOT said in public actually. You shouldn't believe everything said on the internet, especially on Twitter.
Part of the point is that for an actual debate to take place its now the responsibility of the people who believe the statement Bioware has made to provide proof that these things are not the case. In most cases they fail to do so and just reply wiht "your lying i dont believe you durr" which is not a logical form of debate and doesnt help their case.
Unless you have proof that what bioware claims about the development cycle is false you have only conjecture to base your OPINION around. You do not however base arguments on Opinion and expect them to hold much weight, if you do you are foolish because if arguments are based on Opinion they are pointless from the beginning because everyone is immediately wrong and immediately right.
The demo (which according to Bioware was based on a old build at the time of release) contained files for the prothean. Hence the prothean began development before the final build was made. Pleased? I mean it's not proof that they lied about the other stuff but it is proof that they are willing to provide misinfomation. Unless I made a mistake:blush:
The prothean was planned during the leak yes, the files that are present in the demo are voice files that are likely from early stages of production before he was cut from the core game or that were developed alongside the main game to save development costs. That does not mean that the CONTENT of the DLC was developed at that point, only that a few Voice files existed. You are not paying them for just the voice files when you buy the DLC you are paying for the mission the character model and its animations etc. Which there is no evidence was developed prior to when they say it was. (the model and basic annimations perhaps since it was used in one of the trailers, but that doesnt really mean anything either lots of things go into trailers that are never even in the game) I
So yes you can argue they should not charge you for the voice files, or maybe a static model and few frames of animation that might be in the actual game build if you really want to, but I doubt that its enough of the core content of the DLC to be grounds to demand the entire thing be free
mogonk wrote...
My observation has been the opposite. I see new posters in this thread and the threads on every other forum coming in every few minutes to complain while a handful of angry Bioware fans post over and over to insult them and defend this exploitative nonsense.
mogonk wrote...
Draconis6666 wrote...
400,000 people have
5% chose to comment on their feelings.
video proves nothing.
And of the 5% that chose to like/dislike the video, more than 95% approved of its message.
May not "prove" anything, but it's pretty freakin suggestive.
fatalmaverick wrote...
I'd say that both sides are speculation, so it would be wrong to assume one speculation is right above the other. Just because the dev 'says so' doesn't make it true.
www.youtube.com/watch
Modifié par Helekanalaith, 23 février 2012 - 11:05 .
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