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[Solgineer]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

You guys knew for the longest that the CE had the bonus char/mission... without any complaining.

Why complaints are happening now over this is a little strange. Sure there's no incentive to buy ME3 new (unless you want to play MP... and you have to be a Gold subscriber for that to even matter on the 360...), but isn't that a plus for the consumer to buy used instead (and use the difference to pay down the cost of the Day 1 DLC)?

Because it is a Prothean, one of the most mysterious, important and constantly mentioned races in the game. It's why Shepard is special even. If it were a Zaeed or Kasumi people wouldn't care as much as they do now.

[eyesofastorm]

EA is making it easier and easier for me to forego what had once been one of my most anticipated games of all time. Well done EA and thank you.

[Azure33]

There is some serious astroturfing going on in this thread.

[ArkkAngel007]

Lufven1 wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

I'm much more interested in what is NOT said in public actually. You shouldn't believe everything said on the internet, especially on Twitter.

Part of the point is that for an actual debate to take place its now the responsibility of the people who believe the statement Bioware has made to provide proof that these things are not the case. In most cases they fail to do so and just reply wiht "your lying i dont believe you durr" which is not a logical form of debate and doesnt help their case.

Unless you have proof that what bioware claims about the development cycle is false you have only conjecture to base your OPINION around. You do not however base arguments on Opinion and expect them to hold much weight, if you do you are foolish because if arguments are based on Opinion they are pointless from the beginning because everyone is immediately wrong and immediately right.

I do. Bioware said 'The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished)
The demo (which according to Bioware was based on a old build at the time of release) contained files for the prothean. Hence the prothean began development before the final build was made. Pleased? I mean it's not proof that they lied about the other stuff but it is proof that they are willing to provide misinfomation. Unless I made a mistake:blush:

The prothean was planned during the leak yes, the files that are present in the demo are voice files that are likely from early stages of production before he was cut from the core game or that were developed alongside the main game to save development costs. That does not mean that the CONTENT of the DLC was developed at that point, only that a few Voice files existed. You are not paying them for just the voice files when you buy the DLC you are paying for the mission the character model and its animations etc. Which there is no evidence was developed prior to when they say it was. (the model and basic annimations perhaps since it was used in one of the trailers, but that doesnt really mean anything either lots of things go into trailers that are never even in the game) I

So yes you can argue they should not charge you for the voice files, or maybe a static model and few frames of animation that might be in the actual game build if you really want to, but I doubt that its enough of the core content of the DLC to be grounds to demand the entire thing be free

You assume alot. You asked for proof of lies I gave you proof of a lie. They say it was devolped after certification. We know that at least a bit of it wasn't.

I don't know about you but this whole story smells. Like all day-one DLC's for any game. Even if they say "we have been working on it relentlesly to bring you this content at day one" it still sounds like "we took this content out of the original game and sold it seperatly". But then again, we will never know.

We do know because some of us took the risk to read the script.  It lines up with what has been stated with the developers.

[Atakuma]

AlanC9 wrote...
Too subtle?

OK, I'll be explicit.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with games coming in at different price points with different levels of content. Every other kind of product works this way, and there's nothing special about games.

I believe there is definately something wrong with that when it's only purpose is to exploit the consumer.

[Niemack Saarinen]

mogonk wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

400,000 people have


5% chose to comment on their feelings.


video proves nothing.

And of the 5% that chose to like/dislike the video, more than 95% approved of its message.

May not "prove" anything, but it's pretty freakin suggestive.

Those that feel strongly, so strongly on "his" issue,  since i say "his" issues since they keep repeating "His" talking points. Will always try and show it in one way or another, like arguing for 200 pages straight, or liking something on youtube, while  the majority are just sitting there laughing and have nothing to say because they've already made their mind up on it. Like adults, they chose to either not buy the game, or they're ok with it.   Take this thread, there are a few new people here and there but the majority are the same people perpetuating an argument. To someone on the outside looking in, i.e. someone like you - if you hadn't read any of these pages you'd make the pretty wide assumption that in those 200 pages there was hundreds upon hundreds of people venting their frustrations against bioware.  When in reality its a low amount of the populace.

[Draconis6666]

TheStoner wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Lufven1 wrote...

I'm much more interested in what is NOT said in public actually. You shouldn't believe everything said on the internet, especially on Twitter.

Part of the point is that for an actual debate to take place its now the responsibility of the people who believe the statement Bioware has made to provide proof that these things are not the case. In most cases they fail to do so and just reply wiht "your lying i dont believe you durr" which is not a logical form of debate and doesnt help their case.

Unless you have proof that what bioware claims about the development cycle is false you have only conjecture to base your OPINION around. You do not however base arguments on Opinion and expect them to hold much weight, if you do you are foolish because if arguments are based on Opinion they are pointless from the beginning because everyone is immediately wrong and immediately right.

I do. Bioware said 'The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished)
The demo (which according to Bioware was based on a old build at the time of release) contained files for the prothean. Hence the prothean began development before the final build was made. Pleased? I mean it's not proof that they lied about the other stuff but it is proof that they are willing to provide misinfomation. Unless I made a mistake:blush:

The prothean was planned during the leak yes, the files that are present in the demo are voice files that are likely from early stages of production before he was cut from the core game or that were developed alongside the main game to save development costs. That does not mean that the CONTENT of the DLC was developed at that point, only that a few Voice files existed. You are not paying them for just the voice files when you buy the DLC you are paying for the mission the character model and its animations etc. Which there is no evidence was developed prior to when they say it was. (the model and basic annimations perhaps since it was used in one of the trailers, but that doesnt really mean anything either lots of things go into trailers that are never even in the game) I

So yes you can argue they should not charge you for the voice files, or maybe a static model and few frames of animation that might be in the actual game build if you really want to, but I doubt that its enough of the core content of the DLC to be grounds to demand the entire thing be free

You assume alot. You asked for proof of lies I gave you proof of a lie. They say it was devolped after certification. We know that at least a bit of it wasn't.

You are correct based on what we know there is at least some amount of falsehood, in the statement that the DLC was developed after development. My point is that that evidence is not enough to support a claim that the entire DLC should be given to you for free because of this, you have proof that what they have said is not 100% true you do not have proof that it is a total lie and that enough of the DLC was developed during production that you should be entitlted to have it along with the main game.

[transcendent12]

It's funny cause EA is still making an operating loss.

[AkiKishi]

fropas wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...
No because people don't want to have to pay extra for things that could have been easily included with the game in the first place. Some just don't think it's fair that some people get more game than others.

It's not fair for people who pay for more game to get more game?

I dont care how much more "STUFF" Collectors Editions get...

I just don't want them to get more "GAME"

My SE will not feel complete. It doesn't matter what anybody else says otherwise. 

$70            =/= complete game
$70 + $10    =  complete game
$90 CE        =  complete game

its just not right. Its dirty, Its dispicable and quite frankly obvoius.

Once again more DLC is likely on the way so even CE consumers won't get the complete game for >80$. I'm sorry you feel your game won't be complete but you can still "complete" the ME trilogy by beating the reapers.

Once you get the complete game anything they choose to add to it afterwards is not a problem.
There should only be one version of the game on release and you should not have to pay extra to get it.

[fropas]

eyesofastorm wrote...

EA is making it easier and easier for me to forego what had once been one of my most anticipated games of all time. Well done EA and thank you.

EA should keep this in mind next time they produce a AAA title. Your should give all you consumers day-one DLC regardless of what edition they buy. . .Yes, next time they should keep this in mind.

[Draconis6666]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

mogonk wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

400,000 people have


5% chose to comment on their feelings.


video proves nothing.

And of the 5% that chose to like/dislike the video, more than 95% approved of its message.

May not "prove" anything, but it's pretty freakin suggestive.

Those that feel strongly, so strongly on "his" issue,  since i say "his" issues since they keep repeating "His" talking points. Will always try and show it in one way or another, like arguing for 200 pages straight, or liking something on youtube, while  the majority are just sitting there laughing and have nothing to say because they've already made their mind up on it. Like adults, they chose to either not buy the game, or they're ok with it.   Take this thread, there are a few new people here and there but the majority are the same people perpetuating an argument. To someone on the outside looking in, i.e. someone like you - if you hadn't read any of these pages you'd make the pretty wide assumption that in those 200 pages there was hundreds upon hundreds of people venting their frustrations against bioware.  When in reality its a low amount of the populace.

Correct as i stated in an earlier post, people who feel they are being wronged are far more likely to make their view known than those who feel otherwise or are indiferent on the matter. That is what people mean when they talk about the Vocal Minority. The people who are the most vocal are many times the minority who are simply the loudest.

[Tiax Rules All]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Why do people insist that companies would "abuse" DLC by making core elements into DLC when there's NO track record for that so far?  Especially not by Bioware.

I prefer to nip it in the bud and prevent practices like this from happening before they ruin "Next Bioware game" for us all

[Naramar]

What I like about this thread: Freed up a CE for me to buy.

[Azure33]

eyesofastorm wrote...

EA is making it easier and easier for me to forego what had once been one of my most anticipated games of all time. Well done EA and thank you.

Same here. Being nickle and dimed to death by Bioware does not sound like an epic conclusion. It sounds like a recipe for irritation. I'll buy a complete game instead where I am not being aggressively marketed to throughout the game experience.

[Draconis6666]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

 Wow.... So many cry.... SO MANY HATEEEEE !!! SO MANY RAGE !!! THE GODS OF CHAOS ARE PLEASSSSEeeeeeee ! YESSSS ! YESSS !!!! 

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

[Niemack Saarinen]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

 Wow.... So many cry.... SO MANY HATEEEEE !!! SO MANY RAGE !!! THE GODS OF CHAOS ARE PLEASSSSEeeeeeee ! YESSSS ! YESSS !!!! 

[Bungie.Net Sucks]

Community u so silly

[AkiKishi]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Liara T wrote...

You should probably watch this video by TotalBiscuit "Why I think Bioware has gone too far with Mass Effect 3" 

 

400,000 people have


5% chose to comment on their feelings.


video proves nothing.

400,000 people who have friends and their friends who have friends. This is more successful than EA's viral marketing.

[DiabolicallyRandom]

 Just to update everyone on the reddit discussions...
Here is her response to my previous post, which can be found several pages back:

Thank you for the thoughtful response. I wish I didn't have to worry about spoilers because I'd love to explain what clever things BioWare did to make the DLC a great addition without taking away from the main game.Believe it or not, I am more frustrated than you are, I think.

And here are several other responses to other questions with similar scopes:

I hope you understand that I'm in a position where to reassure you, it would require me to reveal story spoilers, something that I don't think is acceptable.Personally, I began my career as an archaeologist (for serious!) and the events surrounding this new character speak to me. However, if it wasn't DLC, it definitely wouldn't have been in the main game. There's other things that didn't fit in the main game that may end up as future DLC.Again, I think this is a cool edition and definitely intended as a reward for serious fans (many of whom have purchased the collector's edition so this isn't even an issue for them). However, I have played the game without it and the lore surrounding the DLC is in the game already, this character just gives their own take on it.Was that any less vague or helpful to anyone?

I don't have much insight into the financial or production decisions (nor is that something I'd like to have to be honest!) but I know that we put money into DLC in terms of staffing and creating the product. It's not free for us to make. Goodness, I'm being paid to interface with you guys and gather your feedback (which is a dream btw)! Again, I wish I could give you a rundown of what costs were incurred to make the DLC and why we feel the cost is justified, but I'm not in the position to do so. Hope you understand  

EDIT: look here for more context: http://www.reddit.co...ubtol?context=3

Modifié par DiabolicallyRandom, 23 février 2012 - 11:11 .

[fropas]

BobSmith101 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...
No because people don't want to have to pay extra for things that could have been easily included with the game in the first place. Some just don't think it's fair that some people get more game than others.

It's not fair for people who pay for more game to get more game?

I dont care how much more "STUFF" Collectors Editions get...

I just don't want them to get more "GAME"

My SE will not feel complete. It doesn't matter what anybody else says otherwise. 

$70            =/= complete game
$70 + $10    =  complete game
$90 CE        =  complete game

its just not right. Its dirty, Its dispicable and quite frankly obvoius.

Once again more DLC is likely on the way so even CE consumers won't get the complete game for >80$. I'm sorry you feel your game won't be complete but you can still "complete" the ME trilogy by beating the reapers.

Once you get the complete game anything they choose to add to it afterwards is not a problem.
There should only be one version of the game on release and you should not have to pay extra to get it.

Hell I don't even think we should have to pay for video games wwe should just download them off the internet and play them on our console of choice, but that's not my choice to make. I decide what I buy, not how it should work.

[hebejebe999]

one question i'd like to pose to the people who wont be purchaseing the DLC as it's optional, do you not feel protheans are an integral part of the mass effect universe? is there anyone here who can honestly say after playing the first and second games that they dont feel compelled to be able to find out more about the protheans given the chance? i mean i can understand if people might not care about generic merc A or having new costumes or weapons, but a prothean, who could shed more light on why the universe is the way it is now, or what happened to their race, or what they know of the reapers, i do feel that comes under the story of the game trilogy, and should really be part of the game as opposed to an extra.

[Draconis6666]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Liara T wrote...

You should probably watch this video by TotalBiscuit "Why I think Bioware has gone too far with Mass Effect 3" 

 

400,000 people have


5% chose to comment on their feelings.


video proves nothing.

400,000 people who have friends and their friends who have friends. This is more successful than EA's viral marketing.

but thats the point there is no evidence that more than 5% of those 400,000 people are actualy against the DLC