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[CommanderCoffee]

Solgineer wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...
Except TB's opinion has more weight than any of you silly day 1 dlc swallowers.

It does not.

He's popular. He has fans. You don't.

That's a really stupid argument. "Because he has more fans and is therefore popular, his opinion holds more weight." 

You know who else has fans? Lady Gaga. It doesn't detract from the fact that she's an absolutely ridiculous human.

[ArkkAngel007]

Fix1o0 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Liara T wrote...

You should probably watch this video by TotalBiscuit "Why I think Bioware has gone too far with Mass Effect 3" 

 

400,000 people have


5% chose to comment on their feelings.


video proves nothing.

400,000 people who have friends and their friends who have friends. This is more successful than EA's viral marketing.

My friend lol'd at this retarded TB this doesn't proove anything 

Your friend is not relevant.

Then TB is irrelevent.  Both are just opinions.  Nothing more or less.

Except TB's opinion has more weight than any of you silly day 1 dlc swallowers.

I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure I've been fairly vocal on the fact that I don't support how the DLC was handled.  You are just trying to stir up the situation more than it is apparently with the insults and non-constructive one-liners.  That's the impression you're giving off.

[nightcobra]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Why do people insist that companies would "abuse" DLC by making core elements into DLC when there's NO track record for that so far? Especially not by Bioware.

I prefer to nip it in the bud and prevent practices like this from happening before they ruin "Next Bioware game" for us all

Then I think you're being twitchy and jumping the gun. Because again, there's been NO, I repeat, NO track record or precedent for "DLC abuse" with Bioware.

Claiming that you're being preemptive when there's nothing to warrant suspicion in the first place makes you look...well, twitchy as hell.

they started with sebastian from DA2, i didn't like that move as well but was more lenient since it wasn't a character with a lore that had been hyped up since the beginning of the series. not this time

ps: can we please move on from the insults? 

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 23 février 2012 - 11:28 .

[Sidney]

The simple question is if you can complete the game w/o this then it is extra. It is as much extra as the Warden's Keep thing was extra in DAO or Shale was extra. You are buying a game and not everything Bioware could have done between the dates of X and Y which seems to be the answer many people want.

[AlanC9]

_symphony wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
OK, a straight-up socialist argument. Good luck with that.

Oh, please, the last thing we need is more strawman arguments. Next somebody brings ****s and godwin the thread.

How is it a strawman? His argument was that it's wrong for companies to make different products at different price points -- everyone should get the same product. This isn't how capitalist economies do things.

[DJBare]

Fix1o0 wrote...

Go ahead and make a video where you explain what you think of it. I'd love to see you getting 400k viewers in 24hrs.

You wouldn't even hit 1000.

Drops nuke on pyramid, FFS!

[foo man chew]

They should just release the game with shepard a ship and a end boss.There complete game.All side missions day 1 dlc,companions day 1 dlc,inventory day 1 dlc.Why not you dont need it to complete the game who cares if its a 30 minute game according to everyone defending day 1 dlc they dont have to put that other stuff in the game.Its just god business who cares if you pay extra to get a complete game there doing you a favor by allowing you to buy dlc that was made in the time of production of the main game.

[MissOuJ]

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm not a legitimate person because I want everyone to get the DLC which I'm already getting?

Why aren't you even trying to be reasonable?

... but they're getting it. If they pay $10 extra. We get it because we pay extra - why would anyone be entitled to it for free?

I know you're a reasonable guy, but this I don't understand.

[TheStoner]

Draconis6666 wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Your right I don't have proof that it was a total lie but I do have reason to believe that they arn't being completely honest.

Precisely true but do you think that gives you the right as a consumer to demand they give you something for free? TV advertisements are not completely honest but you dont demand the products they are trying to sell you for free because of that. (this is a slightly bad analogy because you have in this case obviously paid for a product and are arguing that additional content should be included) but the fact of the matter is at this point you do not have enough evidence as a consumer to demand anything from them.

You can express your displeasure and chose not to buy the product but that does not mean that you should get what you want simply because you chose to do so. I am not saying this is what you are doing, but there are indeed people who feel this way and that is part of the problem. Legtimate concerns with the issue are mixed up with the complains of people who are simply greedy and want things for free.

No I was answering a question you asked.

[Gobbi82]

It's not about getting it for free, it's about overpriced content that COULD (yes, I said could) be very important to fans of the first two games, which was developed before the final product's release. The Prothean is in the art book, which indicates it was meant to be a part of the original game, and that is what bothers me; the way people thank Bioware for charging them with content that should have been included in the $60 tag. And I only say "should" because I think we can all agree that a Prothean character is very important to the ME lore, and all fans, standard edition or not, should be able to experience.

I get how businesses work and I'm not saying I won't buy the game, but if complaints like this aren't thrown out there, more companies will pull of stunts like this, and more people will blindly love them for doing so.

[Yuoaman]

Solgineer wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...
Except TB's opinion has more weight than any of you silly day 1 dlc swallowers.

It does not.

He's popular. He has fans. You don't.

Oh, I have fans - nothing on the scale of TB, but having fans in no way makes anyone's opinion greater or less in worth.

[Wugger]

Wether we think Bioware should charge for day one content or not is kind of irrelevant because they'll still make money for this and so they'll keep doing it. No way their going to retract this knowing them.

[fropas]

DJBare wrote...

fropas wrote...
LOL the ironic thing is that this makes me want to buy DLC even more.  The idea of Seth Green selling me DLC on xbox live is like the icing on the imaginary cake.

Oh good grief no!, one of my nightmares would be Jack turning around and saying got an embarrasing problem? use Femrazor!, or worse still Shepard smiling, do you floss?

LOL oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! what have we created?!
 
That would be funny the first playthrough, but after that I think I'd have nightmares to.

[Yuoaman]

MissOuJ wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm not a legitimate person because I want everyone to get the DLC which I'm already getting?

Why aren't you even trying to be reasonable?

... but they're getting it. If they pay $10 extra. We get it because we pay extra - why would anyone be entitled to it for free?

I know you're a reasonable guy, but this I don't understand.

It's because the content of the DLC are ridiculously significant to the universe, even if the plot itself isn't - it's something all fans should experience. I don't like that Bioware and EA are depriving fans of it.

[Liara T]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Liara T wrote...

You should probably watch this video by TotalBiscuit "Why I think Bioware has gone too far with Mass Effect 3" 

Spam in my lunchbox at work - spam and more - don't think about nutrition wonder what's inside it now...

Cant even watch it 

[Solgineer]

Nohvarr wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...
Except TB's opinion has more weight than any of you silly day 1 dlc swallowers.

It does not.

He's popular. He has fans. You don't.

Mass Effect 3 is popular, it has more fans than he and I doubt the majority of them pay his program an attention.

But consider all those fans of him not buying it, it reaches a big enough sum of money Bioware lost out on. And it's not just TB, there are many fans that feel this way too leaving them. And they lose their money too. If EA/Bioware were to compare the money they would have made keeping them as opposed to leaving the price tag on the DLC, they are losing out on A LOT.
Sure, Mass Effect 3 will sell well regardless. But if the chunk of money they miss out on is big enough EA will care.

[nightcobra]

MissOuJ wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm not a legitimate person because I want everyone to get the DLC which I'm already getting?

Why aren't you even trying to be reasonable?

... but they're getting it. If they pay $10 extra. We get it because we pay extra - why would anyone be entitled to it for free?

I know you're a reasonable guy, but this I don't understand.

as bioware said, anyone getting the CE edition is getting the DLC free of charge. the 20$ are from the collectibles. so no you didn't pay for the DLC even if that was your intention.  

[RiouHotaru]

Atakuma wrote...

Circles, we are going in them.

For once, we are in agreement.  One side cannot convince the other, and one side will not be convinced by the other.

We may simply have to agree to disagree and let the topic die.

[Draconis6666]

Fix1o0 wrote...

Go ahead and make a video where you explain what you think of it. I'd love to see you getting 400k viewers in 24hrs.

You wouldn't even hit 1000.

Its not hard to break 1000 since you can just refresh the page 1000 times and get 1000 views. The number of views is not as important to the issue as the number of people who have viewd the video and didnt bother to comment. That they agreed with it. You cannot claim that all 400k of those views, even assuming they are all unique views support the video on the grounds that 20k of them did and expect anyone to take you seriously.

[wrdnshprd]

Sidney wrote...

The simple question is if you can complete the game w/o this then it is extra. It is as much extra as the Warden's Keep thing was extra in DAO or Shale was extra. You are buying a game and not everything Bioware could have done between the dates of X and Y which seems to be the answer many people want.

shale was free with a new game..  zaeed was free if you bought the game new

and i thought warden's keep should have been included with ALL versions of the game as well. 

[DK Valk]

Its disheartening to see all these supposed "fans" jumping on the hate wagon. I know its not the most ethical business practice if you want to appease your fans, but I'm not going to let a whole 10 DOLLARS deter my feelings with a company that has given me over 120 hours of amazing gameplay, locations, characters, and story that I would never have gotten anywhere else. Watch my tribute video , and thank you bioware for everything!

[_symphony]

DiabolicallyRandom wrote...
And even if I am more on the side of being unhappy about this - I hope everyone else here in the thread can cool their jets a bit, and try and keep things civil. It does appear it has degenerated to the point of alot of meaningless back and forth insults. It is a shame this forum doesnt have any kind of karma system like reddit :-

I second this, the back and forth insulting here is sad.

[ArkkAngel007]

Yuoaman wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...
Except TB's opinion has more weight than any of you silly day 1 dlc swallowers.

It does not.

He's popular. He has fans. You don't.

Oh, I have fans - nothing on the scale of TB, but having fans in no way makes anyone's opinion greater or less in worth.

And again, it's only opinion.  Funny how actual facts now mean less than opinion and falicies.

[Varen Spectre]

Draconis6666 wrote...

To a point, but expecting companies to limit their profit potential because they "dont need it" is foolish, expecialy of
a publcly traded corporation that's primary responsibilty is to increase the value of its shareholder's shares. Can they only make for example $10 million and make a profit if they spent $9 sure, but why would they do that if they see potential to instead make $15 million. They would actualy be doing a dis service to their shareholders by doing so, the shareholders who are their primary concern.

In reality if your going to bring Greed into the equation it is not the corporations who are greedy, it is their shareholders who demand that they make more money so that their shares are worth more. 

Yes, but, and pls correct me if I am wrong, your original point was about how the inflation decreases the profits from same prices of videogames every year, so that studios have to counter it for example by producing more and more DLCs. Of course, that is completely valid, but that was the reason why I brought up the idea that 1. it is important to look at companies individually 2. Bioware / Mass Effect 3 seem to be doing pretty good, so that the inflation that you mentioned should not be such an issue or reason to create a lot of DLCs like you suggested.

As for the behaviour of shareholders, that is completely logical. However, that would bring us to the question of whether an average poster on BSN should take such interest's into account when voicing his / her own opinion on the forum and who would be, like you said “more spoiled” – i.e. whether the gamers or shareholders of already very profitable (at least in terms of Mass Effect 3) company. And that is what other people are discussing here already...

 The issue about having all the different DLC choices being more confusing to consumers might be true but the blame in that department is not completely on EA, it is not their fault that they have offered consumers more choice and that many of those consumers cannot make intelligent choices in spending money on those choices. It is the consumer's responsibility to research something he wishes to buy until he is either
satisfied that it is worth his money or decides that it is not. It is not completely EA's fault if someone does not take the time to do so and "Wastes" their money on DLC that they dont want, though they may well be a factor of the
fault in terms of marketing presure and such the ultimate responsibility is still in the hands of the person who choses to spend the money.

Mmm, that was more like a personal opinion and answer to the question you asked in one of your posts (probably the one to which I replied) – i.e. whether the people would be willing to trade the higher price of base / single unit for plenty of DLCs. Personally I would. Systemwise.

Modifié par Varen Spectre, 23 février 2012 - 11:34 .

[DJBare]

Yuoaman wrote...

Oh, I have fans - nothing on the scale of TB, but having fans in no way makes anyone's opinion greater or less in worth.

Unfortunately it does when taking mob mentality into account, nearly 24'000 likes, a lot of those people will be spreading the word, like I said much earlier, right or wrong no longer comes into it, the damage is done.