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[Stoko981]

Don't know if you'll be at liberty to answer this, and I'm sorry I haven't read back through the 18 pages to see if anyone else asked it (I did check the dev posts though, I know it hasn't been answered so far).

Will Prothy be interactive on the ship? The biggest niggle about Zaeed and Kasumi - you couldn't talk to them. They were basically quote machines, once you'd completed their missions. You'd go to their room, press A, hear a soundbyte, then press A for another until it stopped giving new ones. Shepard didn't speak, there was no cutscene, no options to find out more. Just random anecdotes.

It would be such a huge shame if we didn't get the chance to properly interrogate The Last Prothean about every little detail of life before the last purge. I don't care that it's DLC, but Zaeed and Kasumi had a real "tacked on" feeling to them, and I think that's what a lot of people are fearing will happen with this DLC. Which was okay, I mean it was disappointing, but ultimately not that bad when it was just two random humans. But to give The Last Prothean (and yes, I think it deserves to be capitalised that way) the same treatment would just be disrespectful.

[Morroian]

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

This is something entirely different.

how is this different from Sebastian?

Sebastian was free with pre-orders this isn't, you have to pay substantially more for the CE, and given the uniqueness of having a protean squad member its being disingenuous to refer to it as optional. 

Modifié par Morroian, 23 février 2012 - 12:02 .

[Sleek]

I wish EA would just try on there next release with NO DLC ,Zero pre order bonus and see how much happier the fans would be how much less of a headache it would be for Bioware.

[ME3Shepard]

So if we already pre-ordered CE, we only miss out on the appearance pack for all squad mates right? we still get the new weapon?

[rumbalumba]

Genshie wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

what a bunch of bullcrap.

"the DLC is developed by a separate team after the game was finished"
- sorry, but no one believes you.

How is that not a reasonable response. The same thing happened for Kasumi and her dlc as well as Lair of the Shadow Broker. Dialogue was there content wasn't cause it wasn't made as of yet.

still, a bunch of bullcrap. script was already leaked last november, audio files were stripped as far back as June, and they're telling us that the whole deal was only developed AFTER the game has gone gold?

come on.

[Paragon Auducan]

The Prothean survived the last Reaper invasion, how is that not important.

[Tazzmission]

ME3Shepard wrote...

So if we already pre-ordered CE, we only miss out on the appearance pack for all squad mates right? we still get the new weapon?

um the armors are in the ce dude


feel free to watch the trailer for it

[JosephCurwen]

I love how most of the people taking Bioware's side in this aren't actually focusing on trying to justify what Bioware have done, but just sort of revelling in the fact that the game will sell a lot of copies regardless.

1) Everybody realizes this.
2) You won't share in the profits.
3) More publishers will try this, leading to everyone getting less value from their gaming money. Including you guys.

I literally cannot understand the mentality of the people defending this. It goes beyond simple disagreement (unless you're just blindly cheering for your favourite game making "team", in which case I do understand it, but its stupid). Even if you've got the CE (Complete Edition), what will you think when another game comes out under similar circumstances and you don't? Will you only buy premium CEs for all games from now on? I honestly don't understand why people would endorse this kind of move.

[Cirocco]

You are missing the point entirely, some code for this was in the core game, they have obviously been planning this for ages, and to pretend anything else is insulting our intelligence.

But I will take your advice to "if you don't like it don't buy it" and I will, regretfully, won't buy it, that is, regretfully, as someone who has been playing Bioware Games since Baldurs Gate and have played the previous two games in this series, I will not buy this game, not just the DLC, I will not buy the game at all.

Day one important lore driving DLC is not acceptable to me, and I refuse to have anything to do with a company that wants to so blatantly treat me as a cash cow to be milked for every last drop. I'll watch some lets play and read the spoilers to find the conclusion to the lore plot even though I really want to play this.

I will not give you money when you start treating us like this, because if we do, then you'll keep doing it to us, it will become your standard practice.

EA's usual greed has really messed up what used to be a wonderful company that really cared about it's community and twisted it into a cynical money making machine like all the other companies that they've gotten their tentacles around, you promised us this wouldn't happen, you promised us that Bioware was different, that you would not let this happen, but sadly it has.

My money that was set aside to purchase this, as a disabled person on a tight budget this had to be specifically set aside to buy this game, will instead go to the many Indy game developers out
there and the few small Developers still going.

I've spent hundred of dollars buying your stuff over the years Bioware, I am your core fan, but enough is enough, up with this I will not put.

(Yes I did purchase ME and ME2, it seems like the migration from the old forums does not show this, though it does show all my ME and DA DLC content available to be downloaded again)

[Daywalker315]

packardbell wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

packardbell wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

packardbell wrote...

I can't believe people are trying to justify this decision. I've bought every single one of their games and pieces of DLC, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, milking your loyal customers of a purchase that should be available to all is downright insulting and makes me want to cancel my pre-order right away... maybe this will be my last Bioware purchase until they change their business ethics.. or at least EA.

tl;dr: It should be included for everyone, I see no reason why it wasn't, ala Sebastian, Zaeed and Shale... all available for free for loyal customers.

Sebastian wasn't free for customers who didn't get the signature edtion of the game. And people moaned over the fact that Zaeed and Shale were free for new buyers only at the time too, complaining that signing up and getting them for free over the cost of 10-15 dollars after the fact is wrong. 

So honestly, it doesn't matter how Bioware does things, because people will always think they are entitled to something that was made into a planned extra.

If you pre-ordered DA2 before a certain time then your copy would get a free upgrade to the signature edition which would include Sebastian and other bits of content at no extra cost, yes I would rather it be avaliable to all day 1 purchases of the game but it's still much better than this situation.. and Sebastian wasn't really intregal to the game, was just a nice character to have. But again it was a bonus to all the loyal customers who pre-order from day 1. Spin it al lyou want but this is not acceptable.

It's the same damn thing though. The character is extra content at no cost for those who got the collectors edition, and is optional content for those who wish to download it. If they decided to upgrade everything to the collectors edition suddenly to include the Prothean code in the box, people would still complain despite getting their way.

I'm not spinning anything really, i'm calling people out on the fact that their behavior towards this is unacceptable because its the choice of the company to do what they please with the product.

I don't care about CE's, why should loyal customers be punished for not buying the CE? Which I might add should only be purchased for the physical contents and not in-game stuff. They could of easily pleased the CE holders but adding actually more swag and not useless in-game DLC like a robot dog or alternative outfits.

You're not being punished for not getting CE. We're being rewarded for getting CE and you have the opportunity to buy just the DLC for half of the extra amount we paid for our CE's. This is just like you saying that the CE buyers should just get junk and crap no one cares about for paying extra money, which just sounds petty. $10 isn't the end of the world if you want it.

[Sledge454]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Really? A prothean has what to do with the reapers destroying the galaxy? you seem to think the plot of the game is "lets discover what happened to this race of dead aliens 50,000 years ago" because thats the only plot where a Prothean is gauranteed to have a huge role.

Because everyone thought that's where all ME tech comes from.  Because before the Prothean civilization was wiped out, their scientists created Vigil to tell future generations of the genocide and the software to take control of the Citadel mass relay as their last act of defiance.  Because Liara has basically spent her entire professional career studying them.  Because they were the origin of the main enemies of ME2.

How is that not a big deal?

Modifié par Sledge454, 23 février 2012 - 12:04 .

[elessarz]

I suppose I and many others must not be big enough fans of Mass Effect to deserve to have this DLC on the basic disk. This move did not fly with either Dragon Age: Origins or Dragon Age 2 and it certainly doesn't hold up now. Tread carefully, Bioware. I may just have to take my patronage elsewhere.

[PhogoX]

Sudsaroo wrote...

Why should any of you who didn't buy Collector's Edition be given the DLC for free?

I rather the CE folks did get.  Standard could have it in a month or two for $10 or never.  It's this Day 1 stuff and it being a Prothean.  Which makes the whole situation out to be some evil corparation $$$ stunt in my view. 

[Draconis6666]

Xellana wrote...

2. "From Ashes" is not a major plot point[/b]: messed up, because a living, breathing prothean not being major to the plot just feels soo wrong in this universe that this would be even more stupid than the alternative (being it is a major plot point dlc), because it destroys the entire lore of the game

How? Explain this with something other than "because hes a prothean so he has to be" or "protheans are key to everything!" The plot of the game is the war against the reapers not the extinction of the protheans from 50.000 years ago. If this were still ME 1 then a Prothean would be of arguably more importance. At the point the plot has progressed now however a Prothean adds nothing to the plot simply because hes a prothean. Even knowing HOW the reapers wiped out the protheans in expilict detail is of neglitable importance because the races of the galaxy now are NOT the protheans and will not be approached the same way unless your saying that the Reapers are morons who do everything the exact same way every time and ignore any difference in situationst hat give different advantages.

[Texaboose]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Wardka wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Then what did I pay for? A bunch of new guns, AA packs, a robodog, a digital soundtrack, an art book, etc? I bought the CE thinking, "Dang! I got a bang for my buck because I get this superficial stuff AND a DLC character! Cool!" You make him available to everyone, you take away one of the biggest reasons I bought the CE in the first place. He was advertised as being part of the CE, you can't expect BioWare to go back on themselves and go, "Just kidding guys, that guy we were gonna include as part of the CE? Yeah, everyone can have him now!"

You tell me?

I'm not clamoring for this to be changed so everyone gets it for free, because I'm well aware that Bioware under EA would never do that. EA's entire business model revolves around DLC. I'm saying that I find this business practice disgusting, and that I feel for everyone that got the raw end of this deal - which I believe includes you. I think that you paid for what should've been given to you for free, and I'm sad that people are so willing to let EA push them around.

I can see where y'all are coming from to some extent, except for one thing:

This was advertised to be part of the CE from the beginning. It's not like BioWare made some decision down the line to cut something from the main game and sell it. You can't say that everyone deserves to have it for free when we have known for a while now that a DLC squadmate would be available to CE buyers and separately for a price to SE buyers. If you didn't get the CE, you brought it upon yourself to buy it separately if you wanted it. I didn't get any raw end of any deal because I knew what I was getting into and what was included when I bought my CE. It was even part of my decision to buy the CE over the SE in the first place. It shouldn't be free content because it was never advertised as such. If people were going to make a stink over the CE getting a DLC squaddie as part of their package, they should have done it back when the CE was first announced.

Well said.

Maybe start a petition to ask Bioware not to release this as DLC, since it's causing so much grief

[TheStoner]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...
This is wrong.

It does change your point. Your images are implying that something essential is being left out. It's been said for MONTHS that this is BONUS content for the CE. So, the image of the Mona Lisa missing a piece of her face is wrong. Dead wrong. The Prothean squadmate, if you choose not to buy him, does not keep you or anyone else from achieving the "perfect ending".

Now, unless you can prove that this was cut content on purpose, completed before the game went gold, you're just voicing an opinion, which is being contradicted by the developers. I believe the devs over you.

Also wrong because it ignores the fact that game prices have not increased significnatly in relation to the devaluation of currency due to inflation.

You ignore the fact that the popularity of games has increased dramatically making it possible to keep the actual price the same over the years while making more cash even adjusted for inflation.

[rumbalumba]

Sleek wrote...

I wish EA would just try on there next release with NO DLC ,Zero pre order bonus and see how much happier the fans would be how much less of a headache it would be for Bioware.

and instead put all the content they developed inside a $60 COMPLETE game with no shenanigans? you mean, doing what is completely normal to do for the past 30 years of gaming?

[Daywalker315]

Tazzmission wrote...

ME3Shepard wrote...

So if we already pre-ordered CE, we only miss out on the appearance pack for all squad mates right? we still get the new weapon?

um the armors are in the ce dude


feel free to watch the trailer for it

The CE armors are different from the "From Ashes" ones. And you don't miss out on anything ME3Shepard. CE will get appearance pack and gun from "From Ashes", in addition to the N7 weapon pack and squad appearance pack from CE.

[ADLegend21]

Sandbox47 wrote...

This is obviously a quality game and I'm buying it even if it kills me but the leap of logic - to sell a DLC on the same day that the game comes out ... I don't get it. Surely a DLC is a part of the game? So surely it should be in the game? DLC used to be complimentary to games, didn't it? Now it's parallell to them, even if it may be as important as Arrival.

it comes with the collectors edition but if you don't buy the collectors edition you can buy the DLC seperate anytime after the games release.

[Dionkey]

TheOptimist wrote...
Actually, I'm saying there's no difference, except that if you had your way, we'd all be waiting another 3 months for something we could have had Day 1, if not for the incessant *****ing of people who think $60 entitles them to everything a company produces during a given timeframe.  I'm also saying this is likely to become future practice if people keep whining about Day 1 dlc.  The company will still designate certain things as DLC, they simply won't release them until later to bypass all the drama.

Not all DLC released afterwards is made by launch day, you're just assuming that it is to support your argument. 
Companies don't want to wait 3 months to sell DLC, so it's very unlikely that they will do so. If anything, they would put more of day-1 content in the game, gain more loyal fans, and then release DLC that we would all buy because they treated us well.

****, that employes common sense ─ never mind.

TheOptimist wrote... 
How is it a ripoff if you're STILL getting the game as planned?  That's what makes no sense.  This was ALWAYS DLC.  It was never going to be part of the game as long as we've known about it.  They decided to split off from the game during production, and a separate team worked on it while others focused on finishing the rest of the game.  You're not entitled to it just because that team did a good job and finished it quickly.

IT WAS MADE LONG BEFORE THE GAME WAS DEVELOPERED AND INCLUDES A FAIRLY MAJOR SQUAD MATE AS CONTENT, IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE GAME!  It should have never been day-1 DLC. If this was released in May, June, July, etc. FINE, they obviously released it later for a reason, and I highly doubt they're going to create it during development, only to hold it for a while to cretate the illusion of work.

As I've said a million times, paid DLC is for adding on what is made POST-DEVELOPMENT. Not what was planned, what was made in the last few weeks, or what you want to pretend it was for. POST-DEVELOPMENT ONLY. NO EXCEPTIONS.

[Sidac]

Company gets done with a project and sits on their butts while the game is printed and realeased, FANS CRY

Company gets done with a project and tells another team to have fun with it, FANS CRY HARDER


long story short, fans are complete and utter crybabies

[Jynthor]

Wait, does the CE get all the content from "From Ashes" or just the Prothean?

[Paragon Auducan]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

2. "From Ashes" is not a major plot point[/b]: messed up, because a living, breathing prothean not being major to the plot just feels soo wrong in this universe that this would be even more stupid than the alternative (being it is a major plot point dlc), because it destroys the entire lore of the game

How? Explain this with something other than "because hes a prothean so he has to be" or "protheans are key to everything!" The plot of the game is the war against the reapers not the extinction of the protheans from 50.000 years ago. If this were still ME 1 then a Prothean would be of arguably more importance. At the point the plot has progressed now however a Prothean adds nothing to the plot simply because hes a prothean. Even knowing HOW the reapers wiped out the protheans in expilict detail is of neglitable importance because the races of the galaxy now are NOT the protheans and will not be approached the same way unless your saying that the Reapers are morons who do everything the exact same way every time and ignore any difference in situationst hat give different advantages.

He survived the last purge, how is that not important.

[Gill Kaiser]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

ME3Shepard wrote...

So if we already pre-ordered CE, we only miss out on the appearance pack for all squad mates right? we still get the new weapon?

um the armors are in the ce dude


feel free to watch the trailer for it

The CE armors are different from the "From Ashes" ones. And you don't miss out on anything ME3Shepard. CE will get appearance pack and gun from "From Ashes", in addition to the N7 weapon pack and squad appearance pack from CE.

How do you know? Has this been clarified in this thread by a dev?

[Texaboose]

elessarz wrote...

I suppose I and many others must not be big enough fans of Mass Effect to deserve to have this DLC on the basic disk. This move did not fly with either Dragon Age: Origins or Dragon Age 2 and it certainly doesn't hold up now. Tread carefully, Bioware. I may just have to take my patronage elsewhere.

Go ahead. I support Indy developers as much as anyway (Minecraft ftw).

However, I've yet to find an indy game with the same RPG depth of any Bioware game. Let me know if you find one.