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[rumbalumba]

jessicamerizanwrote...

  "Shepard's story is over with Mass Effect 3" is what we've been telling people. Leaves some wiggle room for more from the overall universe, I think There's some excellent and robust DLC planned and I can't wait for them! Our DLC team is really strong and instead of checking out or going on vacation after ME3 went into certification, they started work on DLC. Really admire them  

look out CE owners! 

[Chozo_Hybrid]

MissOuJ wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm not a legitimate person because I want everyone to get the DLC which I'm already getting?

Why aren't you even trying to be reasonable?

... but they're getting it. If they pay $10 extra. We get it because we pay extra - why would anyone be entitled to it for free?

I know you're a reasonable guy, but this I don't understand.

I know what Yuoaman is getting at but I have to agree with you, why should I pay $40 extra for a game and SE buyers get it anyway.

[Goth Skunk]

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm not a legitimate person because I want everyone to get the DLC which I'm already getting?

Why aren't you even trying to be reasonable?

You paid for it, they didn't.

You wanting them to get it for free just makes you either philanthropic, or idiotic.

If you feel that way, why not offer to buy every SE customer a copy of the DLC for them?

[Solgineer]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...
Except TB's opinion has more weight than any of you silly day 1 dlc swallowers.

It does not.

He's popular. He has fans. You don't.

That's a really stupid argument. "Because he has more fans and is therefore popular, his opinion holds more weight." 

You know who else has fans? Lady Gaga. It doesn't detract from the fact that she's an absolutely ridiculous human.

An army is still an army either way you put it. It is how it is. Although I'm not arguing that his opinion is right because he is popular, but he does make good points.

[AlanC9]

Solgineer wrote...

But consider all those fans of him not buying it, it reaches a big enough sum of money Bioware lost out on. And it's not just TB, there are many fans that feel this way too leaving them. And they lose their money too. If EA/Bioware were to compare the money they would have made keeping them as opposed to leaving the price tag on the DLC, they are losing out on A LOT.
Sure, Mass Effect 3 will sell well regardless. But if the chunk of money they miss out on is big enough EA will care.

Some big "if"s in there, of course.

[AkiKishi]

Nohvarr wrote...

Do you have any proof that he carries more weight than others on this forum who don't agree with his assessment? Or are you spouting something you hope is true?

Does anyone on the forum have a youtube vid with almost half a million hits? 

I'd like to see someone try to put the case FOR day 1 DLC on youtube but it would take a very brave individual.

[Yuoaman]

DJBare wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Oh, I have fans - nothing on the scale of TB, but having fans in no way makes anyone's opinion greater or less in worth.

Unfortunately it does when taking mob mentality into account, nearly 24'000 likes, a lot of those people will be spreading the word, like I said much earlier, right or wrong no longer comes into it, the damage is done.

Well I know having a lot of people following your opinions will help get the word out faster, but it doesn't make opinions more valid. I happen to agree with him, but everyone has their own perspective.

[jkvaughn]

The way I see it is that the extra mission and character were made part of a CE so people would buy it. Yeah I could have pre ordered the bare bones game and would have to purchase the extra content separately but ordering the CE made more sense price wise for all the extras. The extra content is already paid for when you get the CE. Now some people say the content should be free or something like that because it was withheld from the game. I paid for it why shouldn't everyone else

[fropas]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Go ahead and make a video where you explain what you think of it. I'd love to see you getting 400k viewers in 24hrs.

You wouldn't even hit 1000.

Its not hard to break 1000 since you can just refresh the page 1000 times and get 1000 views. The number of views is not as important to the issue as the number of people who have viewd the video and didnt bother to comment. That they agreed with it. You cannot claim that all 400k of those views, even assuming they are all unique views support the video on the grounds that 20k of them did and expect anyone to take you seriously.

No he has 400,000 internet fans that means he has 400,000 real fans it's a fact (don't argue it's just internet logic)

[fresh101]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...

Omilophile wrote...

Really people? You're angry that you have to pay for something in this world? *gasp* It was originally only supposed to be for people who bought the Collector's Edition, so you never would've gotten it to begin with. If I were you, I'd count my blessings and say,"Well, at least I have the option if I want it."

You don't have to buy it, but Bioware wanted to throw a bone to those who DIDN'T get the CE. Part of the problem with this world is that people think they are entitled to everything without having to give anything up in exchange. Get over yourselves.

Wow just wow. Salesmen must just love you.

"I want to complain about this new car I just bought!"

"Oh you bought this new car and aren't happy with?"

"Yes theres no wheels! Where are my wheels!"

"The wheels? Oh no sir they aren't part of the car, they were developed later I'm afraid they will cost you extra."

"Oh okay then whatever you say, here's my credit card"

"Ah thankyou sir yes just sign here in blood thats right"

"What doesn that small print say about my soul?"

"Oh don't worry about that sir it's just the small print nothing for you to worry about, now once your done signing that if you could just bend over my desk"

Zzziiip

Except for one thing.

That.
Example.
Does.
NOT.
Work.

Wheels are a VITAL element to a car.  The ONLY proper analogy to DLC if you're using a car are things like high-quality leather seats and Bluetooth and a CD-player, etc, etc, luxury options people pay to put into a car that's ALREADY COMPLETE ON IT'S OWN.

It's mind-boggling that folks say we're sheep for "defending DLC" then provide fallacious and incorrect analogies as their defense for why it's bad!

so in your opinion a live prothean squadmate is not core of this game??? have you even played last 2 games, or are you one of those "great time to jump in ME story"????

come on, for 2 games they have been constantly in center of happenings in ME universe, the only thing Shepard is so special is because protheans left beacon which gave him his visions of reapers, without them, reapers would come in to citadel and there wouldn't be story of ME, they are one of the core mysterys of ME universe, along with a keepers, and reapers, they were wipe out 50000 years ago, and now you find at least one survived..... and to you it's not lore of this game.....????? what if they cut out Legion from ME2, and selling him as a DLC, his intel was major plot in this game, to know that not all geth are enemies, would that be ok with you????

This analogy is perfectly accurate, it would be like selling a car without wheels, and this is certanly not like selling car without luxury for which you should pay extra.

If you want accurate analogy, then stop for a second before you write something and think about what are you going to write, if they put out james vega as DLC then it wouldn't be much of a difference, he is just another squadmate, a human, and not very important one, but to cut out key elements of story (which prothean squadmate is) and then selling them as DLC, is amoral at least...

And before you try defending them, that they have only finish him now, look a litlle harder on internet, and you will find conversation leaks of prothean as far as november, maybe even more, so I don't belive that they didn't cut him from main game. This kind a behavior is very disrespectful, they lie to us, they deliberetly cut key elements of the stotry to make more money, by selling it as DLC, and telling CE pepole that they will get bonus chacacter which should be integral with a game. this kind of behavior from developers makes me

[Kroepoek]

DJBare wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Go ahead and make a video where you explain what you think of it. I'd love to see you getting 400k viewers in 24hrs.

You wouldn't even hit 1000.

Drops nuke on pyramid, FFS!

No. I'm about to slay a dragon in Skyrim.

[Yuoaman]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm not a legitimate person because I want everyone to get the DLC which I'm already getting?

Why aren't you even trying to be reasonable?

You paid for it, they didn't.

You wanting them to get it for free just makes you either philanthropic, or idiotic.

If you feel that way, why not offer to buy every SE customer a copy of the DLC for them?

I didn't buy the CE for the DLC, I assumed that it was something all new copies would be getting until this information came to light.

[AlanC9]

jkvaughn wrote...

The way I see it is that the extra mission and character were made part of a CE so people would buy it. Yeah I could have pre ordered the bare bones game and would have to purchase the extra content separately but ordering the CE made more sense price wise for all the extras. The extra content is already paid for when you get the CE. Now some people say the content should be free or something like that because it was withheld from the game. I paid for it why shouldn't everyone else

We're about to have colliding senses of entitlement -- the difference is that jkvaughn actually is entitled to the content.

[Niemack Saarinen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

Do you have any proof that he carries more weight than others on this forum who don't agree with his assessment? Or are you spouting something you hope is true?

Does anyone on the forum have a youtube vid with almost half a million hits? 

I'd like to see someone try to put the case FOR day 1 DLC on youtube but it would take a very brave individual.

You didnt answer Nohvarr's question, wheres your proof?

Quit mis-directing with talking points sir.

[mogonk]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Does anyone on the forum have a youtube vid with almost half a million hits? 

I'd like to see someone try to put the case FOR day 1 DLC on youtube but it would take a very brave individual.

Oh, please, someone do this.

I want to see how red the dislike bar gets.

[Anaeme]

Bioware business ethics with respect to their customers is very problematic to me. They just don't give a damn, they do not care.

If everyone were to send them a message by boycotting the game for just 1 week....

[mrbauxjangles]

Still bull**** EA

[Draconis6666]

Gobbi82 wrote...

It's not about getting it for free, it's about overpriced content that COULD (yes, I said could) be very important to fans of the first two games, which was developed before the final product's release. The Prothean is in the art book, which indicates it was meant to be a part of the original game, and that is what bothers me; the way people thank Bioware for charging them with content that should have been included in the $60 tag. And I only say "should" because I think we can all agree that a Prothean character is very important to the ME lore, and all fans, standard edition or not, should be able to experience.

I get how businesses work and I'm not saying I won't buy the game, but if complaints like this aren't thrown out there, more companies will pull of stunts like this, and more people will blindly love them for doing so.

By this argument they should arguably charge you $68 or $70 for the game itself. You are already paying less for the base game in a value sense than you would have for the same game 10 years ago then complaining about how additional content you may never have even been able to get at all prior to the abiity to pay for DLC content is "overpriced" the concept that things are overpriced is a value judgement and one that in the video game industry I feel for many gamers is hampered by the fact that the industry has spoiled them with its game prices over the last decades.
 
Many people feel paying $10 for a DLC that is  a few hours of content that you can repeat several times is too much, yet many of those same people im sure willingly go spend $10 on movie tickets to see a 2 1/2 hour movie one time.

[rainasa]

wrdnshprd wrote...

Sidney wrote...

The simple question is if you can complete the game w/o this then it is extra. It is as much extra as the Warden's Keep thing was extra in DAO or Shale was extra. You are buying a game and not everything Bioware could have done between the dates of X and Y which seems to be the answer many people want.

shale was free with a new game..  zaeed was free if you bought the game new

and i thought warden's keep should have been included with ALL versions of the game as well. 

again shale and the ceberus network was made "free" to make sure people continued to buy a new version of said game, for ME3 however multiplayer takes that spot, so they made the squadmember part of the CE and as day one dlc. Do i personaly agree with how they handled this whole situiation? no i do not. but at the same time its ludicrous to demand that OPTIONAL content that was designed after the game went to get certification because you think you DESERVE it. they have every right to sell the prothean as part of the CE and as DLC and if you dont like it, then simply do not buy him or if you feel really betrayed do not buy ME3 itself.

Modifié par rainasa, 23 février 2012 - 11:39 .

[AkiKishi]

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm not a legitimate person because I want everyone to get the DLC which I'm already getting?

Why aren't you even trying to be reasonable?

... but they're getting it. If they pay $10 extra. We get it because we pay extra - why would anyone be entitled to it for free?

I know you're a reasonable guy, but this I don't understand.

I know what Yuoaman is getting at but I have to agree with you, why should I pay $40 extra for a game and SE buyers get it anyway.

Because you get all those juicy Mass Effect collectable items. I'm not blaming anyone who bought the CE for the "game advantage" . That's EA's fault for turning a CE into a bunch of DLC.

[Arkitekt]

Glenn Beck also has fans.

Who the **** cares?

[transcendent12]

So basically I'm here to complain about buy two get one free. Price tiering is unethical.

/derailed.

Modifié par transcendent12, 23 février 2012 - 11:37 .

[Amikae]

Pretty much sums up what gaming is becoming lately.

Modifié par Amikae, 23 février 2012 - 11:38 .

[CG50]

blah blah blah Human, you have changed nothing.