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[Solgineer]

AlanC9 wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

But consider all those fans of him not buying it, it reaches a big enough sum of money Bioware lost out on. And it's not just TB, there are many fans that feel this way too leaving them. And they lose their money too. If EA/Bioware were to compare the money they would have made keeping them as opposed to leaving the price tag on the DLC, they are losing out on A LOT.
Sure, Mass Effect 3 will sell well regardless. But if the chunk of money they miss out on is big enough EA will care.

Some big "if"s in there, of course.

You shouldn't underestimate people's claims. A lot of people already hate Bioware and EA for Dragon Age 2, service in The Old Republic and Origin.

[Gobbi82]

People are not begging for it to be free, most of us are upset because of the whole Day 1 DLC policy and the unfinished product state we get, if we only purchase the SE

[OmegaXI]

They funniest thing is everyone complaining are just cheapskates, I mean seriously if $10 means that much to you then you shouldn't be buying a $60 game.

Honestly just sounds like you guys are just trying to get something for free. Your mad at Bioware then don't but the game because I can promise you no one will care, the game will make alot of money with or without your purchase.

*thinks of Pre-ordered CE and smiles*

In fact all of your complaining about not getting the DLC makes my preordered copy that much better, know this while you care complaining about having to pay for the DLC I'll be saving th galaxy with my Prothean henchmen. Your envy will make it all the better and your envy just feeds my lols.

Modifié par OmegaXI, 23 février 2012 - 11:38 .

[AkiKishi]

rainasa wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

Sidney wrote...

The simple question is if you can complete the game w/o this then it is extra. It is as much extra as the Warden's Keep thing was extra in DAO or Shale was extra. You are buying a game and not everything Bioware could have done between the dates of X and Y which seems to be the answer many people want.

shale was free with a new game..  zaeed was free if you bought the game new

and i thought warden's keep should have been included with ALL versions of the game as well. 

again shale and the ceberus network was made "free" to make sure people continued to buy a new version of said game, for ME3 however multiplayer takes that spot, so they made the squadmember part of the CE and as day one dlc. Do i personaly agree with how they handled this whole situiation? yes i am. but at the same time its ludicrous to demand that OPTIONAL content that was designed after the game went to get certification because you think you DESERVE it. they have every right to sell the prothean as part of the CE and as DLC and if you dont like it, then simply do not buy him or if you feel really betrayed ME3 itself.

Mass Effect is not a multiplayer series. They should have made the Prothean the online pass and the MP access £10.
But of course they tied MP into the game for your end score.

[Chozo_Hybrid]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm not a legitimate person because I want everyone to get the DLC which I'm already getting?

Why aren't you even trying to be reasonable?

... but they're getting it. If they pay $10 extra. We get it because we pay extra - why would anyone be entitled to it for free?

I know you're a reasonable guy, but this I don't understand.

I know what Yuoaman is getting at but I have to agree with you, why should I pay $40 extra for a game and SE buyers get it anyway.

Because you get all those juicy Mass Effect collectable items. I'm not blaming anyone who bought the CE for the "game advantage" . That's EA's fault for turning a CE into a bunch of DLC.

But it stated it was included in the package from the get go, I know it isn't a collectable (and it didn't say exclusive) but it was added incentive to buy the CE.

[transcendent12]

Hey everyone! This DLC discriminates against the poor!
Can I has my free DLC now?

[Candidate 88766]

fresh101 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...

Omilophile wrote...

Really people? You're angry that you have to pay for something in this world? *gasp* It was originally only supposed to be for people who bought the Collector's Edition, so you never would've gotten it to begin with. If I were you, I'd count my blessings and say,"Well, at least I have the option if I want it."

You don't have to buy it, but Bioware wanted to throw a bone to those who DIDN'T get the CE. Part of the problem with this world is that people think they are entitled to everything without having to give anything up in exchange. Get over yourselves.

Wow just wow. Salesmen must just love you.

"I want to complain about this new car I just bought!"

"Oh you bought this new car and aren't happy with?"

"Yes theres no wheels! Where are my wheels!"

"The wheels? Oh no sir they aren't part of the car, they were developed later I'm afraid they will cost you extra."

"Oh okay then whatever you say, here's my credit card"

"Ah thankyou sir yes just sign here in blood thats right"

"What doesn that small print say about my soul?"

"Oh don't worry about that sir it's just the small print nothing for you to worry about, now once your done signing that if you could just bend over my desk"

Zzziiip

Except for one thing.

That.
Example.
Does.
NOT.
Work.

Wheels are a VITAL element to a car.  The ONLY proper analogy to DLC if you're using a car are things like high-quality leather seats and Bluetooth and a CD-player, etc, etc, luxury options people pay to put into a car that's ALREADY COMPLETE ON IT'S OWN.

It's mind-boggling that folks say we're sheep for "defending DLC" then provide fallacious and incorrect analogies as their defense for why it's bad!

so in your opinion a live prothean squadmate is not core of this game??? have you even played last 2 games, or are you one of those "great time to jump in ME story"????

come on, for 2 games they have been constantly in center of happenings in ME universe, the only thing Shepard is so special is because protheans left beacon which gave him his visions of reapers, without them, reapers would come in to citadel and there wouldn't be story of ME, they are one of the core mysterys of ME universe, along with a keepers, and reapers, they were wipe out 50000 years ago, and now you find at least one survived..... and to you it's not lore of this game.....????? what if they cut out Legion from ME2, and selling him as a DLC, his intel was major plot in this game, to know that not all geth are enemies, would that be ok with you????

This analogy is perfectly accurate, it would be like selling a car without wheels, and this is certanly not like selling car without luxury for which you should pay extra.

If you want accurate analogy, then stop for a second before you write something and think about what are you going to write, if they put out james vega as DLC then it wouldn't be much of a difference, he is just another squadmate, a human, and not very important one, but to cut out key elements of story (which prothean squadmate is) and then selling them as DLC, is amoral at least...

And before you try defending them, that they have only finish him now, look a litlle harder on internet, and you will find conversation leaks of prothean as far as november, maybe even more, so I don't belive that they didn't cut him from main game. This kind a behavior is very disrespectful, they lie to us, they deliberetly cut key elements of the stotry to make more money, by selling it as DLC, and telling CE pepole that they will get bonus chacacter which should be integral with a game. this kind of behavior from developers makes me

The analogy is still hopelessly flawed.

A car without wheels is not a car. It doesn't function.

ME3 without the DLC is still a fully functional game with $60 worth of content.

[OmegaXI]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Gobbi82 wrote...

People are not begging for it to be free, most of us are upset because of the whole Day 1 DLC policy and the unfinished product state we get, if we only purchase the SE

You knew you were purshasing the peasant edition deal with it. 

I approve of this message

[TheStoner]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Go ahead and make a video where you explain what you think of it. I'd love to see you getting 400k viewers in 24hrs.

You wouldn't even hit 1000.

Its not hard to break 1000 since you can just refresh the page 1000 times and get 1000 views. The number of views is not as important to the issue as the number of people who have viewd the video and didnt bother to comment. That they agreed with it. You cannot claim that all 400k of those views, even assuming they are all unique views support the video on the grounds that 20k of them did and expect anyone to take you seriously.

As someone who uses youtube alot as a replacment for TV a average youtube video would get about 1k up votes per 100k views if it's quality content. The like count on the vidoe shows a very strong positive reaction to it.

[blindchaos]

Am I the only one who feels that the role of the Protheans is being overstated in this thread? I understand thinking they are cool, but their major role ended when we used the Conduit. They were a race that was culled like all others before them, the only thing that made them special was that enough survived to disrupt the Keeper's signal.

I'm not saying Protheans aren't cool and it doesn't suck that they made one a DLC, but they were not some super special race. Hell, they were manly built up so that when it is revealed that they didn't create the Mass Relays the players are surprised and begin to fear the reapers in earnest.

Like I said that does not excuse this DLC but I just feel like the Prothean Impact is being overstated.

Modifié par blindchaos, 23 février 2012 - 11:40 .

[CG50]

transcendent12 wrote...

Hey everyone! This DLC discriminates against the poor!
Can I has my free DLC now?

Oh! i see what you did there! 

[fropas]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Gobbi82 wrote...

People are not begging for it to be free, most of us are upset because of the whole Day 1 DLC policy and the unfinished product state we get, if we only purchase the SE

You knew you were purshasing the peasant edition deal with it. 

 OMG "peasant edition" LOL that is so mean

[AlanC9]

fresh101 wrote...
so in your opinion a live prothean squadmate is not core of this game??? have you even played last 2 games, or are you one of those "great time to jump in ME story"????

come on, for 2 games they have been constantly in center of happenings in ME universe, the only thing Shepard is so special is because protheans left beacon which gave him his visions of reapers, without them, reapers would come in to citadel and there wouldn't be story of ME, they are one of the core mysterys of ME universe 

This is just silly. There's nothing mysterious about the protheans. Just one in a long list of races consumed by the reapers.

[Yuoaman]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

Oh, dear. A person with a lot of views on Youtube is telling us what to do.

He's just expressing his opinion and some of us happen to agree with the sentiment.

No one is ordering me around, I have a mind of my own and I've decided this is worth my time.

[MissOuJ]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm not a legitimate person because I want everyone to get the DLC which I'm already getting?

Why aren't you even trying to be reasonable?

... but they're getting it. If they pay $10 extra. We get it because we pay extra - why would anyone be entitled to it for free?

I know you're a reasonable guy, but this I don't understand.

as bioware said, anyone getting the CE edition is getting the DLC free of charge. the 20$ are from the collectibles. so no you didn't pay for the DLC even if that was your intention.  

But when I pre-ordered the CE the extra squaddie was advertised as being part of the bundle - and was, in fact, one of the two reasons I got it (that, and the soundtrack). So, apparently I'm paying extra €20 for stuff I don't really care for (minus the soundtrack), and getting the DLC free, when other people have to pay €10/$10 for it?

That's... point-and-click adventure game logic right there.

[Goth Skunk]

EJ107 wrote...

Yes, we get it. You paid more than £100 for the collectors edition, so have the DLC already, and that makes you superior to everyone else. 

Honestly, get off your pompous high-horse about it. People aren't happy with this and they have every right to be unhappy about it. Spamming this thread with insults to show off how "big", "clever" and mean" you are, while probably inflating your ego, is adding nothing constructive to the conversation, and just makes you look like a dick. 

You may call everybody a whiny crybaby, but the fact that you need to come here to insult people makes me think that you are the one who really needs to grow up and get a life. 

They can be upset, yes. But suggesting that BioWare is ripping off their customers by doing this, or that the game is somehow incomplete without this Prothean character built into the main game is audacious.

The only reason I'm here is to speak out against these losers, so that they know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are people that not only disgaree with them, but think they're bloody stupid to be complaining about what they're complaining about.

Maybe in the future, this sort of thing should be offered to CE owners only. Forget making it Day 1 DLC, make the SE customers wait three months. "Because a small but vocal minority of fans ****ed and complained so much, we're no longer going to make Day 1 DLC available to anyone that does not buy the collector's edition. Instead of giving you that option, we're going to take it away from you."

The sense of self-entitlement in this thread is truly outrageous, to the point that Taric from League of Legends would be dazzled.

[GuyIncognito21]

OmegaXI wrote...

They funniest thing is everyone complaining are just cheapskates, I mean seriously if $10 means that much to you

If that were even remotely true, they wouldn't be complaining at all, they'd just be getting it for free.

It's not about the amount of money at issue, it's about being charged $70 for a finished game and $60 for an unfinished one.

[Draconis6666]

AlanC9 wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

But consider all those fans of him not buying it, it reaches a big enough sum of money Bioware lost out on. And it's not just TB, there are many fans that feel this way too leaving them. And they lose their money too. If EA/Bioware were to compare the money they would have made keeping them as opposed to leaving the price tag on the DLC, they are losing out on A LOT.
Sure, Mass Effect 3 will sell well regardless. But if the chunk of money they miss out on is big enough EA will care.

Some big "if"s in there, of course.

It's not even particularly true. If EA for example loses 100,000 $60 game sales  they lose $6,000,000 if the game still sells 2 million copies and half of those chose to purchase the $10 DLC they make $10,000,000 from the DLC sales. so by alienating those 100,000 peope they made $4 million dollsars more than they would have. This is obviously not proof that this is in any way what will happen but the simple fact that people are outraged and chose to not buy the product in and of itself means nothing conclusive.