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[AlanC9]

blindchaos wrote...

Am I the only one who feels that the role of the Protheans is being overstated in this thread?

No. You're definitely not.

[ArkkAngel007]

mogonk wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Does anyone on the forum have a youtube vid with almost half a million hits? 

I'd like to see someone try to put the case FOR day 1 DLC on youtube but it would take a very brave individual.

Oh, please, someone do this.

I want to see how red the dislike bar gets.

That isn't the issue being debated.  Most of us agee that Day 1 DLC you have to pay for is a poor decision, at least in the way it was done.  

The problem is the misinformation tied to it, because a notable number on here on both sides just say whatever comes to mind and refuse to at least acknowledge the facts being what they are.

Just because a part of the argument isn't correct, doesn't negate the whole argument.  Acknowledge it and rebound from it with the correct information.  Just saying people are lying when they are being honest and are "haters/drones" just makes your opinion count less.

[Yuoaman]

AlanC9 wrote...

fresh101 wrote...
so in your opinion a live prothean squadmate is not core of this game??? have you even played last 2 games, or are you one of those "great time to jump in ME story"????

come on, for 2 games they have been constantly in center of happenings in ME universe, the only thing Shepard is so special is because protheans left beacon which gave him his visions of reapers, without them, reapers would come in to citadel and there wouldn't be story of ME, they are one of the core mysterys of ME universe 

This is just silly. There's nothing mysterious about the protheans. Just one in a long list of races consumed by the reapers.

Except for the incredible impact they've had on the Mass Effect universe. Experimenting and alterings species so they could achieve space by the next cycle, building the Conduit and changing the Keepers, and leaving the beacon that made Shepard able to do any of what he did.

[GuyIncognito21]

Goth Skunk wrote...
The sense of self-entitlement in this thread is truly outrageous,

I agree, can you believe how many people think just because a company demands $10 more from you, they're entitled to it?

[Yuoaman]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

He's just expressing his opinion and some of us happen to agree with the sentiment.

No one is ordering me around, I have a mind of my own and I've decided this is worth my time.

Baaaaa

Cawwww.

I can make animal sounds too, but I don't build my arguments on them.

[rainasa]

BobSmith101 wrote...

rainasa wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

Sidney wrote...

The simple question is if you can complete the game w/o this then it is extra. It is as much extra as the Warden's Keep thing was extra in DAO or Shale was extra. You are buying a game and not everything Bioware could have done between the dates of X and Y which seems to be the answer many people want.

shale was free with a new game..  zaeed was free if you bought the game new

and i thought warden's keep should have been included with ALL versions of the game as well. 

again shale and the ceberus network was made "free" to make sure people continued to buy a new version of said game, for ME3 however multiplayer takes that spot, so they made the squadmember part of the CE and as day one dlc. Do i personaly agree with how they handled this whole situiation? yes i am. but at the same time its ludicrous to demand that OPTIONAL content that was designed after the game went to get certification because you think you DESERVE it. they have every right to sell the prothean as part of the CE and as DLC and if you dont like it, then simply do not buy him or if you feel really betrayed ME3 itself.

Mass Effect is not a multiplayer series. They should have made the Prothean the online pass and the MP access £10.
But of course they tied MP into the game for your end score.

thats your opinion, O-P-I-N-I-O-N, if they had done this with MP than the fourms would be set ablaze like it is now, Bioware had a lose-lose choice and went with the one you disagree with. too bad.

Modifié par rainasa, 23 février 2012 - 11:43 .

[Draconis6666]

TheStoner wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Go ahead and make a video where you explain what you think of it. I'd love to see you getting 400k viewers in 24hrs.

You wouldn't even hit 1000.

Its not hard to break 1000 since you can just refresh the page 1000 times and get 1000 views. The number of views is not as important to the issue as the number of people who have viewd the video and didnt bother to comment. That they agreed with it. You cannot claim that all 400k of those views, even assuming they are all unique views support the video on the grounds that 20k of them did and expect anyone to take you seriously.

As someone who uses youtube alot as a replacment for TV a average youtube video would get about 1k up votes per 100k views if it's quality content. The like count on the vidoe shows a very strong positive reaction to it.

Because its a controversial issue and those who feel wronged are more likely to voice their support. Obviously the other 95% of the views did not feel strongly enough about the issue to make their point known is the only point im making. That makes its use as a source of irrefutable proof that the majority of people are against this flawed and a poor argument.

[mrbauxjangles]

Amikae wrote...



Pretty much sums up what gaming is becoming lately.

I lold that was epic

[Yuoaman]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Sofia Lamb wrote...

Oh, dear. A person with a lot of views on Youtube is telling us what to do.

He's just expressing his opinion and some of us happen to agree with the sentiment.

No one is ordering me around, I have a mind of my own and I've decided this is worth my time.

We have no proof of your claim. You are dismiss. 

No, I'm Yuoaman - you must be thinking of someone else.

[N7Raider]

TheStoner wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Go ahead and make a video where you explain what you think of it. I'd love to see you getting 400k viewers in 24hrs.

You wouldn't even hit 1000.

Its not hard to break 1000 since you can just refresh the page 1000 times and get 1000 views. The number of views is not as important to the issue as the number of people who have viewd the video and didnt bother to comment. That they agreed with it. You cannot claim that all 400k of those views, even assuming they are all unique views support the video on the grounds that 20k of them did and expect anyone to take you seriously.

As someone who uses youtube alot as a replacment for TV a average youtube video would get about 1k up votes per 100k views if it's quality content. The like count on the vidoe shows a very strong positive reaction to it.

please put those "statistics" back up your ass where you found them.  

[Gobbi82]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Gobbi82 wrote...

People are not begging for it to be free, most of us are upset because of the whole Day 1 DLC policy and the unfinished product state we get, if we only purchase the SE

You knew you were purshasing the peasant edition deal with it. 

Yeah I get it, you bought your fancy copy and screw the rest, blah blah blah that's capitalism.  I get where your coming from, and I'm not trying to take it away from you. I'll probably force myself to get the DLC, but all I'm trying to say or promote is how a full-priced game still makes you pay an extra if you want the complete experience. 

This stunt would have been laughed at back in the day, where you payed for a full game and got it.

[Rip504]

They will not lose money. LoL.
CE sold out period. They made the game appeal to a wider fan base. So losing a portion of old fans while gaining numerous new ones, they will either come out even or make MORE money.

I guarantee you, that EA/Bioware will not even notice the loss of a few fans.

Bought!

[CG50]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

He's just expressing his opinion and some of us happen to agree with the sentiment.

No one is ordering me around, I have a mind of my own and I've decided this is worth my time.

Baaaaa

Humbug

[AkiKishi]

Solgineer wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

But consider all those fans of him not buying it, it reaches a big enough sum of money Bioware lost out on. And it's not just TB, there are many fans that feel this way too leaving them. And they lose their money too. If EA/Bioware were to compare the money they would have made keeping them as opposed to leaving the price tag on the DLC, they are losing out on A LOT.
Sure, Mass Effect 3 will sell well regardless. But if the chunk of money they miss out on is big enough EA will care.

Some big "if"s in there, of course.

You shouldn't underestimate people's claims. A lot of people already hate Bioware and EA for Dragon Age 2, service in The Old Republic and Origin.

The long term damage even if they get away with ME2 could deal Bioware a mortal wound. Once ME2 goes Bioware have nothing that people are invested in, in the same way.

Plenty of people disagree with the DLC but are just too invested in the game to pass it up. Can't really blame them If I were a PC ownder it would be a tough call for me too. New IPs though, not the same.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 23 février 2012 - 11:44 .

[Ianamus]

Goth Skunk wrote...

They can be upset, yes. But suggesting that BioWare is ripping off their customers by doing this, or that the game is somehow incomplete without this Prothean character built into the main game is audacious.

The only reason I'm here is to speak out against these losers, so that they know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are people that not only disgaree with them, but think they're bloody stupid to be complaining about what they're complaining about.

Maybe in the future, this sort of thing should be offered to CE owners only. Forget making it Day 1 DLC, make the SE customers wait three months. "Because a small but vocal minority of fans ****ed and complained so much, we're no longer going to make Day 1 DLC available to anyone that does not buy the collector's edition. Instead of giving you that option, we're going to take it away from you."

The sense of self-entitlement in this thread is truly outrageous, to the point that Taric from League of Legends would be dazzled.

Disagreeing with people is fine, but they'll probably be more likely to listen to thought-out and decent arguments if you don't go out of your way to insult them every other post. You may disagree with them, and you may have good points about the DLC, but that does not make them "losers" or give you the right to start personal attacks againt them. 

This is supposed to be an argument about the DLC, not a b**** fest

[Massefeckt]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

So it's because the DLC chose a smart/compelling tie-in?  If he was important to the main story, he would've been in the actual game.  So by default, he's not that important... he's just a sort of celeb because of what his people did... and someone fans would be interested in.

Regardless, the only way Bioware will listen to your complaint is if you (and a bunch of others) don't buy the game/DLC and it creates a noteworthy dent in their sales.  You'd have to make them actively seek out ways to increase/restore their fan base.

Remember Valve and the Left 4 Dead 2 controversy?  Valve responded... not because of the ranting... but because of the amount of people that refused to buy the game. 

Isn't that just as bad as anything? A Prothean which is supposed to a massive part of the lore of the game and it doesn't mean anything or make a difference to the story? Isn't that worse than it being Day one DLC etc etc etc?

[Heimdall]

Gobbi82 wrote...

People are not begging for it to be free, most of us are upset because of the whole Day 1 DLC policy and the unfinished product state we get, if we only purchase the SE

You are getting a full and complete product <_<

I am getting a full and complete product with some extra goodies

[Lunixx]

rainasa wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

Sidney wrote...

The simple question is if you can complete the game w/o this then it is extra. It is as much extra as the Warden's Keep thing was extra in DAO or Shale was extra. You are buying a game and not everything Bioware could have done between the dates of X and Y which seems to be the answer many people want.

shale was free with a new game..  zaeed was free if you bought the game new

and i thought warden's keep should have been included with ALL versions of the game as well. 

again shale and the ceberus network was made "free" to make sure people continued to buy a new version of said game, for ME3 however multiplayer takes that spot, so they made the squadmember part of the CE and as day one dlc. Do i personaly agree with how they handled this whole situiation? yes i am. but at the same time its ludicrous to demand that OPTIONAL content that was designed after the game went to get certification because you think you DESERVE it. they have every right to sell the prothean as part of the CE and as DLC and if you dont like it, then simply do not buy him or if you feel really betrayed ME3 itself.

I think a problem people have with that is that Mass effect has always been a single player experience.  The vast majority of the fans are buying ME3 for the single player experience and won't touch the multiplayer. So it's hard to justify to them cutting out part of the single player exerience for a feature that has never really been part of mass effect games in the past.

They knew going in that most of thier fans are in it for the single player experience and thats why they structured all thier achievements so that to collect every trophy, achievement possibly you don't even have to touch the multiplayer component.

[DJBare]

www.pcworld.com/article/250546/controversial_day1_mass_effect_3_dlc_prompts_calls_to_boycott.html

TB is the least of Bioware's worries.

[TMJfin]

By the Goddes, over 200 pages. You guys must be serious. Thank you, it's been fun to read and laugh

[Yuoaman]

DJBare wrote...

www.pcworld.com/article/250546/controversial_day1_mass_effect_3_dlc_prompts_calls_to_boycott.html

TB is the least of Bioware's worries.

For now, that is all.

[Heimdall]

Massefeckt wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

So it's because the DLC chose a smart/compelling tie-in?  If he was important to the main story, he would've been in the actual game.  So by default, he's not that important... he's just a sort of celeb because of what his people did... and someone fans would be interested in.

Regardless, the only way Bioware will listen to your complaint is if you (and a bunch of others) don't buy the game/DLC and it creates a noteworthy dent in their sales.  You'd have to make them actively seek out ways to increase/restore their fan base.

Remember Valve and the Left 4 Dead 2 controversy?  Valve responded... not because of the ranting... but because of the amount of people that refused to buy the game. 

Isn't that just as bad as anything? A Prothean which is supposed to a massive part of the lore of the game and it doesn't mean anything or make a difference to the story? Isn't that worse than it being Day one DLC etc etc etc?

Massive part of the lore?  Since most of their supposed achievments are actually Reaper constructions, this is overstating things, don't you think?