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[Niemack Saarinen]

Sofia Lamb wrote...


Baaaaa

Your making me want to reinstall bioshock again.

[wiseguy1287]

Furthermore, everyone who is complaining about this DLC, is it not alright for a company to support its product by adding more to it after the main portion is finished? No one bothers Bethesda for its DLC being made after their games are released (Horse Armor anyone?) If anything bothers me, it is the yearly sports titles that could be updated and patched for improved gameplay and roster updates as a $60 release.

[foo man chew]

People who act like they are above people for buying a twenty dollar more expensive copy of a game are truly pathetic.Do you really feel most people couldnt afford it.Do you think bioware wants people calling it the peasant edition really?Guess what people could of bought ten copies of the game that doesnt make them any better than people who bought one copy,It just means they like to throw their money away.

[Solgineer]

Rip504 wrote...

They will not lose money. LoL.
CE sold out period. They made the game appeal to a wider fan base. So losing a portion of old fans while gaining numerous new ones, they will either come out even or make MORE money.

I guarantee you, that EA/Bioware will not even notice the loss of a few fans.

Bought!

Or they could keep their current fans happy, gain more fans anyway, make tons more money, happy ending, everyone wins. Its the idea of potential sales gone rather than just coming out even or making more anyway.

[THX-1137]

I would be tempted to believe them, because of what I know of the vertical organization and development cycle of many game makers, but when they say:

"It takes about 3 months from 'content complete' to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs, In that time we work on DLC... On [Mass Effect 3], content creators completed the game in January and moved onto the From Ashes DLC"

This whole "just finished" thing seems disingenuous because most of us knew about the [_______] squadmate in June of LAST YEAR because of script leaks. This seems like a pretty core thing.

Plus, they gave a free squadmate and mission for ME2 (Zaeed) for free as day 1 DLC, and that wasn't an issue, but here it's $10 and it seems rather embedded into the core of the story.

Not going to cancel my pre-ordred N7 Edition, still unbelievably excited for the game, but this whole situation is rather irksome.

[ArkkAngel007]

Massefeckt wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

So it's because the DLC chose a smart/compelling tie-in?  If he was important to the main story, he would've been in the actual game.  So by default, he's not that important... he's just a sort of celeb because of what his people did... and someone fans would be interested in.

Regardless, the only way Bioware will listen to your complaint is if you (and a bunch of others) don't buy the game/DLC and it creates a noteworthy dent in their sales.  You'd have to make them actively seek out ways to increase/restore their fan base.

Remember Valve and the Left 4 Dead 2 controversy?  Valve responded... not because of the ranting... but because of the amount of people that refused to buy the game. 

Isn't that just as bad as anything? A Prothean which is supposed to a massive part of the lore of the game and it doesn't mean anything or make a difference to the story? Isn't that worse than it being Day one DLC etc etc etc?

No, not even close.  The Prothean's really accomplished one thing.  The rest was all subject to the Reapers and the races before them.  Opinion on how a character should have been has nothing on how the DLC was handled.

[AkiKishi]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Because its a controversial issue and those who feel wronged are more likely to voice their support. Obviously the other 95% of the views did not feel strongly enough about the issue to make their point known is the only point im making. That makes its use as a source of irrefutable proof that the majority of people are against this flawed and a poor argument.

Ah the old silent majority anyone who never voted for you obviously voted for us.

The last bastion of someone losing a vote. Never took you for a politician.

[mogonk]

If games were "worth" $70, companies would charge $70 for them and customers would pay it.  The fact that they don't means they aren't.  That's market capitalism.

Day 1 DLC is effectively a raise in the price of the game that is designed to trick the consumer into believing it's cheaper than it is.  It's a way of pricing the game at $70 without putting a $70 price tag on it. 

In the same way that the real cost of most f2p games is higher than their p2p counterparts, DLC is a way of misleading players into misperceiving the real costs of their purchase.  In both cases this is achieved by making the player pay for content.  When that content is not produced outside of the development cycle, but as part of the development process, this becomes particularly egregious.  That's what we have here. 

I can understand why some consumers would grumble about this, but buy the game anyway.  What I cannot understand is why some consumers defend with great intensity a company that is adopting business practices that hurt them.

It's sorta surreal.  The kind of thing one might expect to read in a dystopian science fiction novel.

[Solgineer]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

A boycott by gamers. When has that ever worked?

Battlefield 3, you should look it up.

[Yuoaman]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

So it's because the DLC chose a smart/compelling tie-in?  If he was important to the main story, he would've been in the actual game.  So by default, he's not that important... he's just a sort of celeb because of what his people did... and someone fans would be interested in.

Regardless, the only way Bioware will listen to your complaint is if you (and a bunch of others) don't buy the game/DLC and it creates a noteworthy dent in their sales.  You'd have to make them actively seek out ways to increase/restore their fan base.

Remember Valve and the Left 4 Dead 2 controversy?  Valve responded... not because of the ranting... but because of the amount of people that refused to buy the game. 

Isn't that just as bad as anything? A Prothean which is supposed to a massive part of the lore of the game and it doesn't mean anything or make a difference to the story? Isn't that worse than it being Day one DLC etc etc etc?

Massive part of the lore?  Since most of their supposed achievments are actually Reaper constructions, this is overstating things, don't you think?

Did you play Mass Effect 1? They made the Conduit, they made the beacon that gave Shepard the knowledge to stop Saren, and they also changed the Keepers so the Reapers couldn't just waltz right in.

[Yuoaman]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

A boycott by gamers. When has that ever worked?

Several times, actually.

[rainasa]

Massefeckt wrote...


Isn't that just as bad as anything? A Prothean which is supposed to a massive part of the lore of the game and it doesn't mean anything or make a difference to the story? Isn't that worse than it being Day one DLC etc etc etc?

he was a major point in a practically ancient and was then cut in the new version  and then worked on while the main game was finished and in the process of being certified (so they couldnt alter it at all) to be a optional dlc squadmate. he does not have any major effect on the main story other than provideing a unique perspective and new lore. it will not change the overall story in any way.

Modifié par rainasa, 23 février 2012 - 11:51 .

[AkiKishi]

foo man chew wrote...

People who act like they are above people for buying a twenty dollar more expensive copy of a game are truly pathetic.Do you really feel most people couldnt afford it.Do you think bioware wants people calling it the peasant edition really?Guess what people could of bought ten copies of the game that doesnt make them any better than people who bought one copy,It just means they like to throw their money away.

I think they are kind of amusing.Bit like the MMO kids.

[Anaeme]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

A boycott by gamers. When has that ever worked?

A one week Boycott will work

[Omilophile]

Solgineer wrote...

He's popular. He has fans. You don't.

Concensus =/= truth. If 3,000,000 people say something foolish, that thing is still foolish.

Modifié par Omilophile, 23 février 2012 - 11:50 .

[Yuoaman]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

So it's because the DLC chose a smart/compelling tie-in?  If he was important to the main story, he would've been in the actual game.  So by default, he's not that important... he's just a sort of celeb because of what his people did... and someone fans would be interested in.

Regardless, the only way Bioware will listen to your complaint is if you (and a bunch of others) don't buy the game/DLC and it creates a noteworthy dent in their sales.  You'd have to make them actively seek out ways to increase/restore their fan base.

Remember Valve and the Left 4 Dead 2 controversy?  Valve responded... not because of the ranting... but because of the amount of people that refused to buy the game. 

Isn't that just as bad as anything? A Prothean which is supposed to a massive part of the lore of the game and it doesn't mean anything or make a difference to the story? Isn't that worse than it being Day one DLC etc etc etc?

Massive part of the lore?  Since most of their supposed achievments are actually Reaper constructions, this is overstating things, don't you think?

Did you play Mass Effect 1? They made the Conduit, they made the beacon that gave Shepard the knowledge to stop Saren, and they also changed the Keepers so the Reapers couldn't just waltz right in.

The knowledge didn't stop Saren. My gun did. 

Have fun getting to Ilos without that knowledge then.

[fropas]

foo man chew wrote...

People who act like they are above people for buying a twenty dollar more expensive copy of a game are truly pathetic.Do you really feel most people couldnt afford it.Do you think bioware wants people calling it the peasant edition really?Guess what people could of bought ten copies of the game that doesnt make them any better than people who bought one copy,It just means they like to throw their money away.

Funny I consider spending 60$ for a SE version of the game throwing your money away, but then again I intend on buying all the DLC content, so that would be a waste from my perspective. lol peasant edition god that's funny .

[rainasa]

Yuoaman wrote...

Sofia Lamb wrote...

A boycott by gamers. When has that ever worked?

Several times, actually.

for much, much smaller games the comparisons for the LFD2 and MW2 boycotts are much more viable.

[Sidney]

mogonk wrote...

If games were "worth" $70, companies would charge $70 for them and customers would pay it.  The fact that they don't means they aren't.  That's market capitalism.

Day 1 DLC is effectively a raise in the price of the game that is designed to trick the consumer into believing it's cheaper than it is.  It's a way of pricing the game at $70 without putting a $70 price tag on it. 

No, this is akin to saying that separate desserts are a way to trick you into paying more fo dinner. It is an offering that you can, for additional price, us to ad to your experience.

[Goth Skunk]

EJ107 wrote...

Disagreeing with people is fine, but they'll probably be more likely to listen to thought-out and decent arguments if you don't go out of your way to insult them every other post. You may disagree with them, and you may have good points about the DLC, but that does not make them "losers" or give you the right to start personal attacks againt them. 

This is supposed to be an argument about the DLC, not a b**** fest

NO ONE on the Anti-DLC side of the fence will listen to any argument that goes against their own belief, no matter how well thought out and decent the argument. You cannot reason people out of something they didn't reason themselves into.

I bought the Collector's Edition, yes. I bought it because I loved the first game, and wanted the best possible experience from the second, just as I do from the third.

If I had purchased just the standard edition, I would not hesitate to get this DLC. Upon its announcement, I would've been like 'Yep, sign me up. Absolutely I'll get it.' No questions asked.

I don't expect everyone to share the same view I do. But I am appalled that people think they should get premium content for free.

And since reason, logic, and politeness will have absolutely NO effect on people that do not share my views, then I may as well openly mock them. At the very least, I feel good inside mocking my lessers.

[ArkkAngel007]

Yuoaman wrote...

DJBare wrote...

www.pcworld.com/article/250546/controversial_day1_mass_effect_3_dlc_prompts_calls_to_boycott.html

TB is the least of Bioware's worries.

For now, that is all.

What do you mean?  It's all about TB still and his call to boycott the game.  Nothing new.

Sorry, just wondering how TB is the least of BW's worries when, it is in fact, still TB