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[Massefeckt]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

But consider all those fans of him not buying it, it reaches a big enough sum of money Bioware lost out on. And it's not just TB, there are many fans that feel this way too leaving them. And they lose their money too. If EA/Bioware were to compare the money they would have made keeping them as opposed to leaving the price tag on the DLC, they are losing out on A LOT.
Sure, Mass Effect 3 will sell well regardless. But if the chunk of money they miss out on is big enough EA will care.

Some big "if"s in there, of course.

You shouldn't underestimate people's claims. A lot of people already hate Bioware and EA for Dragon Age 2, service in The Old Republic and Origin.

The long term damage even if they get away with ME2 could deal Bioware a mortal wound. Once ME2 goes Bioware have nothing that people are invested in, in the same way.

Plenty of people disagree with the DLC but are just too invested in the game to pass it up. Can't really blame them If I were a PC ownder it would be a tough call for me too. New IPs though, not the same.

You only have to look around gameing sites and Biowares name has been mud since DA2 and it's getting worse with the overkill of DLC marketing. It won't do them any short term damage but long term they are going to be in trouble. EA destroyed Westwood and they are doing the same to Bioware.

[aksoileau]

I still think no one is boycotting. Postponing a purchase, buying used, or getting it through nefarious means is not a boycott.

[MissOuJ]

Yuoaman wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm not a legitimate person because I want everyone to get the DLC which I'm already getting?

Why aren't you even trying to be reasonable?

... but they're getting it. If they pay $10 extra. We get it because we pay extra - why would anyone be entitled to it for free?

I know you're a reasonable guy, but this I don't understand.

It's because the content of the DLC are ridiculously significant to the universe, even if the plot itself isn't - it's something all fans should experience. I don't like that Bioware and EA are depriving fans of it.

I see what you mean, but since the team worked to complete it after the game went into certification, there's really only three ways this would've ended:

a) BioWare push the deadline to make sure they've time to finish the Prothean squad mate so everyone can have him: cue angry investors: blowing deadlines is expensive, and not usually done without a good reason

BioWare desides to keep the deadline and scrap the extra squad mate + mission entirely, so no-one gets him.

c) they launch it as separate DLC in April/May - everybody has to pay extra anyway.

At least this way we can have him and he's available for everyone on launch, including those who didn't want to pay for all the extra stuff that comes with the CE. I understand being against D1 DLC on principle, but is this really so horrible? I think the other options are worse/at least just as bad.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 23 février 2012 - 11:51 .

[Ianamus]

rainasa wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...


Isn't that just as bad as anything? A Prothean which is supposed to a massive part of the lore of the game and it doesn't mean anything or make a difference to the story? Isn't that worse than it being Day one DLC etc etc etc?

he was a major point in a practically ancient and was then cut in the new version  and then worked on while the main game was finished and in the process of being certified (so they couldnt alter it at all) to be a optional dlc squadmate. he does not have any major effect on the main story other than provideing a unique perspective and new lore. it will not change the overall story in any way.

 

Which is bad, really, since the Protheans are such an important species in the galaxy. 

Day 1 DLC arguments aside, I sort of wish that they had made the Prothean important to the story of the game, which would have made sense, and made another companion DLC. It would also have reduced this outcry. 

Modifié par EJ107, 23 février 2012 - 11:52 .

[Draconis6666]

DJBare wrote...

www.pcworld.com/article/250546/controversial_day1_mass_effect_3_dlc_prompts_calls_to_boycott.html

TB is the least of Bioware's worries.

 very much true, and even in that case its not arguable proof that because people are upset it will actualy impact EA's sales. Quite the contrary there is in fact far more evidence from historical trends to show that it will have little to no impact on initial sales simply because over the last 10 years the video game consumer base has changed. It is no longer the core colection of rabid fans who read gaming news articles and tech news articles and surf forums and troll youtube for videos about their games, that make up the majority.

The majority is now the everyday average gamer who doesnt care about any of that, buys a game based on if they think they will like it or if their friend who played it already tells them they like it. Far more detrimental to a games sales is a case like DA II where the game came out and then simply failed to meet overall expectations as a game in general. 

Not to undermine that this is a potentialy serious issue and could impact sales because of course it could, but that is not grounds to state that it absolutly will either because there is no evidence to prove that this is the case. People who claim such should at the very least attempt to find some sort of figures on how many pre-orders have actualy been cancled in relation to total pre-orders that would be far better evidence than, youtube video likes or posting that its on news sites.

[Yuoaman]

Goth Skunk wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Disagreeing with people is fine, but they'll probably be more likely to listen to thought-out and decent arguments if you don't go out of your way to insult them every other post. You may disagree with them, and you may have good points about the DLC, but that does not make them "losers" or give you the right to start personal attacks againt them. 

This is supposed to be an argument about the DLC, not a b**** fest

NO ONE on the Anti-DLC side of the fence will listen to any argument that goes against their own belief, no matter how well thought out and decent the argument. You cannot reason people out of something they didn't reason themselves into.

I bought the Collector's Edition, yes. I bought it because I loved the first game, and wanted the best possible experience from the second, just as I do from the third.

If I had purchased just the standard edition, I would not hesitate to get this DLC. Upon its announcement, I would've been like 'Yep, sign me up. Absolutely I'll get it.' No questions asked.

I don't expect everyone to share the same view I do. But I am appalled that people think they should get premium content for free.

And since reason, logic, and politeness will have absolutely NO effect on people that do not share my views, then I may as well openly mock them. At the very least, I feel good inside mocking my lessers.

I bought the Collector's Edition as well. And unless you apply reason I'm not going to believe anything you say, especially since you've been openly insulting us for your entire stay in this thread.

[PSUHammer]

Wow...people still going on this. The vocal minority is really hammering this one! LOL!

[Omilophile]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Can't tell if you're agreeing with me, or using a cartoon in some witty attempt to prove me wrong...

[Heimdall]

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

So it's because the DLC chose a smart/compelling tie-in?  If he was important to the main story, he would've been in the actual game.  So by default, he's not that important... he's just a sort of celeb because of what his people did... and someone fans would be interested in.

Regardless, the only way Bioware will listen to your complaint is if you (and a bunch of others) don't buy the game/DLC and it creates a noteworthy dent in their sales.  You'd have to make them actively seek out ways to increase/restore their fan base.

Remember Valve and the Left 4 Dead 2 controversy?  Valve responded... not because of the ranting... but because of the amount of people that refused to buy the game. 

Isn't that just as bad as anything? A Prothean which is supposed to a massive part of the lore of the game and it doesn't mean anything or make a difference to the story? Isn't that worse than it being Day one DLC etc etc etc?

Massive part of the lore?  Since most of their supposed achievments are actually Reaper constructions, this is overstating things, don't you think?

Did you play Mass Effect 1? They made the Conduit, they made the beacon that gave Shepard the knowledge to stop Saren, and they also changed the Keepers so the Reapers couldn't just waltz right in.

And that's all.  These aren't godly Halo-Forerunners here, they were just another species in a long line that managed some resistance before they died off.  There is no reason a single Prothean must constitute a massive part of the story.

[blindchaos]

I understand that many people are angry, and that calls for boycotts are a strong way of making your position clear. However, what is beginning to bug me is this perception that the day 1 dlc was not apparent from the beginning.

The CE edition was announced with a Prothean squad member, then it was just changed to a Mysterious Squad member. Even if you missed the Prothean label, and did not do any research, there was a clear statement that the CE would be the only edition to come with the extra crew member.

The sudden burst of outrage feels artificial because all the data was there, but now every one is up in arms because of the race of the DLC character. If it was a Batarian, or another human would TB have freaked out so much?

I'm not trying to say that people's outrage is wrong, or that they shouldn't be angry. However, as someone who payed just a small amount of attention to the CE it was expected this would happen, and to suddenly complain now when we had half a year to make a stink and try to force change feels ... I don't know pointless I guess. Again I'm sorry if I seem rude, this is just how I'm seeing this rush of outrage.

[Nauks]

wiseguy1287 wrote...

Furthermore, everyone who is complaining about this DLC, is it not alright for a company to support its product by adding more to it after the main portion is finished? No one bothers Bethesda for its DLC being made after their games are released (Horse Armor anyone?) If anything bothers me, it is the yearly sports titles that could be updated and patched for improved gameplay and roster updates as a $60 release.

It's nothing new, adding pure money-milking DLCs, but the way they did it is what's disgraceful, taking something that is such a core part of the ME series (Protheans) and telling fans they have to pay extra for it.

[Goth Skunk]

Yuoaman wrote...

I bought the Collector's Edition as well. And unless you apply reason I'm not going to believe anything you say, especially since you've been openly insulting us for your entire stay in this thread.

Reason is lost on the uncivilized.

[GnusmasTHX]

Long thread is long.

[N7Raider]

EJ107 wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...


Isn't that just as bad as anything? A Prothean which is supposed to a massive part of the lore of the game and it doesn't mean anything or make a difference to the story? Isn't that worse than it being Day one DLC etc etc etc?

he was a major point in a practically ancient and was then cut in the new version  and then worked on while the main game was finished and in the process of being certified (so they couldnt alter it at all) to be a optional dlc squadmate. he does not have any major effect on the main story other than provideing a unique perspective and new lore. it will not change the overall story in any way.

 

Which is bad, really, since the Protheans are such an important species in the galaxy. 

You said it yourself, Protheans, plural are important to the lore and are an important species.  This individual prothean could have no significant role in the plot but the Prothean species will obviously still make a large impact on the game.  

Modifié par N7Raider, 23 février 2012 - 11:56 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

So it's because the DLC chose a smart/compelling tie-in?  If he was important to the main story, he would've been in the actual game.  So by default, he's not that important... he's just a sort of celeb because of what his people did... and someone fans would be interested in.

Regardless, the only way Bioware will listen to your complaint is if you (and a bunch of others) don't buy the game/DLC and it creates a noteworthy dent in their sales.  You'd have to make them actively seek out ways to increase/restore their fan base.

Remember Valve and the Left 4 Dead 2 controversy?  Valve responded... not because of the ranting... but because of the amount of people that refused to buy the game. 

Isn't that just as bad as anything? A Prothean which is supposed to a massive part of the lore of the game and it doesn't mean anything or make a difference to the story? Isn't that worse than it being Day one DLC etc etc etc?

Massive part of the lore?  Since most of their supposed achievments are actually Reaper constructions, this is overstating things, don't you think?

Did you play Mass Effect 1? They made the Conduit, they made the beacon that gave Shepard the knowledge to stop Saren, and they also changed the Keepers so the Reapers couldn't just waltz right in.

And that's all.  These aren't godly Halo-Forerunners here, they were just another species in a long line that managed some resistance before they died off.  There is no reason a single Prothean must constitute a massive part of the story.

Yep, that's what the Prothean's did, not THE Prothean. The one you get doesn't even know of Ilos.

[_symphony]

Lord Aesir wrote...
Massive part of the lore?  Since most of their supposed achievments are actually Reaper constructions, this is overstating things, don't you think?

They did build a relay prototype, they stopped the reapers from opening the citadel, they gave the galaxy a fighting chance against the reapers. You are dismissing the protheans a lot.

Modifié par _symphony, 23 février 2012 - 11:56 .

[Draconis6666]

Massefeckt wrote...

You only have to look around gameing sites and Biowares name has been mud since DA2 and it's getting worse with the overkill of DLC marketing. It won't do them any short term damage but long term they are going to be in trouble. EA destroyed Westwood and they are doing the same to Bioware.

Gaming sites no longer represnt the majority of video game consumers, that was the case when EA destroyed westwood it is no longer so. A companies reputation on Gaming sites has much less impact on their sales performance than it used to.

Not to say you are not perfectlly acurate in your statement that there has been a decline of some form in public opinion of Bioware but you cannot use the opinions of a subsect of the consumer base that does not nessicarily represent the majority and claim it as the majority view.

[Yuoaman]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I bought the Collector's Edition as well. And unless you apply reason I'm not going to believe anything you say, especially since you've been openly insulting us for your entire stay in this thread.

Reason is lost on the uncivilized.

Goddamn, what did I personally ever do to you? What did any of the people on this side of the argument ever do to you? Are we bullying you in some way by not agreeing with you? Does it just enrage you that other people can have valid viewpoints that differ from yours?

Or is this just some sort of game to you?

[Ianamus]

Goth Skunk wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Disagreeing with people is fine, but they'll probably be more likely to listen to thought-out and decent arguments if you don't go out of your way to insult them every other post. You may disagree with them, and you may have good points about the DLC, but that does not make them "losers" or give you the right to start personal attacks againt them. 

This is supposed to be an argument about the DLC, not a b**** fest

NO ONE on the Anti-DLC side of the fence will listen to any argument that goes against their own belief, no matter how well thought out and decent the argument. You cannot reason people out of something they didn't reason themselves into.

I'm on the anti-DLC side of the fence and I thought that some of your (and others) pro-DLC arguments were rather good, and swayed me closer to accepting it (although I still don't think it was the right move), but the fact that you have to insult the people who don't agree with you every post is just making me angry at you for being so damn rude to everyone. 

The only one who seems intolerant to other opinions is you, since you have to mention how wrong they are in every post. They may say that they disagree with you, but they're not outright calling you wrong. Personal attacks are childish and just demeaning yourself and your argument. 

Modifié par EJ107, 23 février 2012 - 11:58 .

[Heimdall]

_symphony wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
Massive part of the lore?  Since most of their supposed achievments are actually Reaper constructions, this is overstating things, don't you think?

They did build a relay prototype, they stopped the reapers from opening the citadel, they gave the galaxy a fighting chance against the reapers. You are dismissing the protheans a lot.

One species in a long line that managed an act of defiance before they all died.  That's all they are.

[Aaleel]

I have a question. The Bioware people say that the Prothean DLC was completed by a different team well after the game went to certification. Was the Prothean in the the leaked script?