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[Tiax Rules All]

Stop trying to trivialize this importance of this topic with silly pictures.

[JamesShepard777]

If it were the case that gaming websites have no impact on game sales, then the bull**** about DA2 and Metacritic would have never happened. Gaming websites matter because most of them review games and game scores matter.

[Mclouvins]

_symphony wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
Massive part of the lore?  Since most of their supposed achievments are actually Reaper constructions, this is overstating things, don't you think?

They did build a relay prototype, they stopped the reapers from opening the citadel, they gave the galaxy a fighting chance against the reapers. You are dismissing the protheans a lot.

So they reverse engineered a piece of Reaper tech, just like Garrus...so Garrus has really been a Prothean all along.

[nitefyre410]

Yuoaman wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I bought the Collector's Edition as well. And unless you apply reason I'm not going to believe anything you say, especially since you've been openly insulting us for your entire stay in this thread.

Reason is lost on the uncivilized.

Goddamn, what did I personally ever do to you? What did any of the people on this side of the argument ever do to you? Are we bullying you in some way by not agreeing with you? Does it just enrage you that other people can have valid viewpoints that differ from yours?

Or is this just some sort of game to you?

 

its a game to him.. don't play... then he only has himself to play with.

[Omilophile]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Just posting picture. I don't care about this "debate" because thats like a pure republican trying to do something with a pure democrate. You can already forget about this 

Lol. So true. 

[fropas]

Nauks wrote...

wiseguy1287 wrote...

Furthermore, everyone who is complaining about this DLC, is it not alright for a company to support its product by adding more to it after the main portion is finished? No one bothers Bethesda for its DLC being made after their games are released (Horse Armor anyone?) If anything bothers me, it is the yearly sports titles that could be updated and patched for improved gameplay and roster updates as a $60 release.

It's nothing new, adding pure money-milking DLCs, but the way they did it is what's disgraceful, taking something that is such a core part of the ME series (Protheans) and telling fans they have to pay extra for it.

You make it sound as if BW is somehow lucky that you, even, like their product. I'm not trying to troll you, but being a fan leaves you open to all kinds of exploitation (sequels, prequels, spin-offs, etc.) It's only 10$
 
I just hope it's worth it.

[GnusmasTHX]

Aaleel wrote...

I have a question. The Bioware people say that the Prothean DLC was completed by a different team well after the game went to certification. Was the Prothean in the the leaked script?

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[Yuoaman]

Aaleel wrote...

I have a question. The Bioware people say that the Prothean DLC was completed by a different team well after the game went to certification. Was the Prothean in the the leaked script?

He was indeed.

[BTCentral]

Shinji Ex wrote...

That's the worst excuse I've ever heard.

There is no reason why players should not get "From Ashes" "FREE"
as long they buy Mass Effect 3 new and redeem the online pass
in all copies of the game.

The DLC was only ever specified as coming with the Collector's Edition - they never promised you a free character/mission with the standard edition.

If you do not like that you could have a) purchased the CE, purchased the standard edition anyway or c) not purchased the game.

Now they are simply giving those that want to the choice to purchase some of the CE content.

Nobody is forcing you to get the DLC, I honestly do not see what the problem is, considering you were never promised it in the first place - would you have preferred they not offer it at all and simply left it as CE exclusive content?

Now, if you want to complain about DLC... you should see what Square Enix are doing with Final Fantasy XIII-2

Modifié par BTCentral, 24 février 2012 - 12:01 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Mclouvins wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
Massive part of the lore?  Since most of their supposed achievments are actually Reaper constructions, this is overstating things, don't you think?

They did build a relay prototype, they stopped the reapers from opening the citadel, they gave the galaxy a fighting chance against the reapers. You are dismissing the protheans a lot.

So they reverse engineered a piece of Reaper tech, just like Garrus...so Garrus has really been a Prothean all along.

Calibrations? More like indoctrination!

[Rip504]

Boycott the boycott DLC

Bought!

[GnusmasTHX]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Stop trying to trivialize this importance of this topic with silly pictures.

They're is no importance to this topic. Only people crying over because they are anti-dlc. And people who don't care about it.

I demand more pictures, especially of trains.

[CG50]

blindchaos wrote...

I understand that many people are angry, and that calls for boycotts are a strong way of making your position clear. However, what is beginning to bug me is this perception that the day 1 dlc was not apparent from the beginning.

The CE edition was announced with a Prothean squad member, then it was just changed to a Mysterious Squad member. Even if you missed the Prothean label, and did not do any research, there was a clear statement that the CE would be the only edition to come with the extra crew member.

The sudden burst of outrage feels artificial because all the data was there, but now every one is up in arms because of the race of the DLC character. If it was a Batarian, or another human would TB have freaked out so much?

I'm not trying to say that people's outrage is wrong, or that they shouldn't be angry. However, as someone who payed just a small amount of attention to the CE it was expected this would happen, and to suddenly complain now when we had half a year to make a stink and try to force change feels ... I don't know pointless I guess. Again I'm sorry if I seem rude, this is just how I'm seeing this rush of outrage.

Yeah, the irony of it all is that it was given out as 1st day dlc to those who weren't able to purchase the collectors edition. That backfired because now everyone wants it free or "me no buy". Thing is the chances are that it was "made" after the main game. But the story or idea would have to have come beforehand because the writing for the game and the DLC usually happens before they make it.

In other words i agree.  

[Elvis_Mazur]

mogonk wrote...

If games were "worth" $70, companies would charge $70 for them and customers would pay it.  The fact that they don't means they aren't.  That's market capitalism.

Day 1 DLC is effectively a raise in the price of the game that is designed to trick the consumer into believing it's cheaper than it is.  It's a way of pricing the game at $70 without putting a $70 price tag on it. 

In the same way that the real cost of most f2p games is higher than their p2p counterparts, DLC is a way of misleading players into misperceiving the real costs of their purchase.  In both cases this is achieved by making the player pay for content.  When that content is not produced outside of the development cycle, but as part of the development process, this becomes particularly egregious.  That's what we have here. 

I can understand why some consumers would grumble about this, but buy the game anyway.  What I cannot understand is why some consumers defend with great intensity a company that is adopting business practices that hurt them.

It's sorta surreal.  The kind of thing one might expect to read in a dystopian science fiction novel.

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Modifié par RaenImrahl, 24 février 2012 - 12:11 .

[Aaleel]

Yuoaman wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I have a question. The Bioware people say that the Prothean DLC was completed by a different team well after the game went to certification. Was the Prothean in the the leaked script?

He was indeed.

Bah, I was hoping the answer was no.  That really is disappointing to hear.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Massefeckt wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

So it's because the DLC chose a smart/compelling tie-in?  If he was important to the main story, he would've been in the actual game.  So by default, he's not that important... he's just a sort of celeb because of what his people did... and someone fans would be interested in.

Regardless, the only way Bioware will listen to your complaint is if you (and a bunch of others) don't buy the game/DLC and it creates a noteworthy dent in their sales.  You'd have to make them actively seek out ways to increase/restore their fan base.

Remember Valve and the Left 4 Dead 2 controversy?  Valve responded... not because of the ranting... but because of the amount of people that refused to buy the game. 

Isn't that just as bad as anything? A Prothean which is supposed to a massive part of the lore of the game and it doesn't mean anything or make a difference to the story? Isn't that worse than it being Day one DLC etc etc etc?

Can't really say whether it's bad or not until we see what's in the actual main part of the game.

[RaenImrahl]

@Imperium Alpha - posting pictures in lieu of discussion is against the forum rules. Stay on topic, please. One and only warning.

[Heimdall]

Yuoaman wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I have a question. The Bioware people say that the Prothean DLC was completed by a different team well after the game went to certification. Was the Prothean in the the leaked script?

He was indeed.

As I hear it he was cut from the script and they rewrote the story without him, then they decided to include him again as DLC.

[CG50]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Stop trying to trivialize this importance of this topic with silly pictures.

They're is no importance to this topic. Only people crying over because they are anti-dlc. And people who don't care about it.

I demand more pictures, especially of trains.

I like trains...

[piemanz]

Ok, I'm back, what did I miss?

[rainasa]

EJ107 wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Disagreeing with people is fine, but they'll probably be more likely to listen to thought-out and decent arguments if you don't go out of your way to insult them every other post. You may disagree with them, and you may have good points about the DLC, but that does not make them "losers" or give you the right to start personal attacks againt them. 

This is supposed to be an argument about the DLC, not a b**** fest

NO ONE on the Anti-DLC side of the fence will listen to any argument that goes against their own belief, no matter how well thought out and decent the argument. You cannot reason people out of something they didn't reason themselves into.

I'm on the anti-DLC side of the fence and I thought that some of your (and others) pro-DLC arguments were rather good, and swayed me closer to accepting it (although I still don't think it was the right move), but the fact that you have to insult the people who don't agree with you every post is just making me angry at you for being so damn rude to everyone. 

The only one who seems intolerant to other opinions is you, since you have to mention how wrong they are in every post. They may say that they disagree with you, but they're not outright calling you wrong. Personal attacks are childish and just demeaning yourself and your argument. 

opinions are raging pretty hard on both sides of this debate, and most of the volitle comments can be attributed to the same 5 or so people, and personal attacks have been flying around in this topic like the rounds from a MG42 machine gun,

i cannot help but pity the poor mods who have to read every page in this topic

Modifié par rainasa, 24 février 2012 - 12:04 .

[wiseguy1287]

This DLC is in celebration of the coming release of a massively popular game. This isn't celebration, this is irate b####ing. Does anyone need bibs or cheese with their whine.