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[GnusmasTHX]

piemanz wrote...

Ok, I'm back, what did I miss?

People who don't care: "We don't care..."

People who do care: "My dad can beat up your dad!"

[Tobey2011]

How pathetic and greedy can this company get? This is just getting frikking ridiculous.

[N7Raider]

[quote]Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

[quote]Massefeckt wrote...

[quote]Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

So it's because the DLC chose a smart/compelling tie-in?  If he was important to the main story, he would've been in the actual game.  So by default, he's not that important... he's just a sort of celeb because of what his people did... and someone fans would be interested in.

Regardless, the only way Bioware will listen to your complaint is if you (and a bunch of others) don't buy the game/DLC and it creates a noteworthy dent in their sales.  You'd have to make them actively seek out ways to increase/restore their fan base.

Remember Valve and the Left 4 Dead 2 controversy?  Valve responded... not because of the ranting... but because of the amount of people that refused to buy the game. 

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Isn't that just as bad as anything? A Prothean which is supposed to a massive part of the lore of the game and it doesn't mean anything or make a difference to the story? Isn't that worse than it being Day one DLC etc etc etc?

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No it's not, just because this one specific Prothean won't be significant to the main plot doesn't mean the Prothean species won't be important.  

[wrdnshprd]

rainasa wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

Sidney wrote...

The simple question is if you can complete the game w/o this then it is extra. It is as much extra as the Warden's Keep thing was extra in DAO or Shale was extra. You are buying a game and not everything Bioware could have done between the dates of X and Y which seems to be the answer many people want.

shale was free with a new game..  zaeed was free if you bought the game new

and i thought warden's keep should have been included with ALL versions of the game as well. 

again shale and the ceberus network was made "free" to make sure people continued to buy a new version of said game, for ME3 however multiplayer takes that spot, so they made the squadmember part of the CE and as day one dlc. Do i personaly agree with how they handled this whole situiation? no i do not. but at the same time its ludicrous to demand that OPTIONAL content that was designed after the game went to get certification because you think you DESERVE it. they have every right to sell the prothean as part of the CE and as DLC and if you dont like it, then simply do not buy him or if you feel really betrayed do not buy ME3 itself.

to me it doesnt matter if multiplayer was included or not.. for one, mass effect was originally advertised as a single player game.  so the multiplayer is of no consequence to me.  if they want to add that feature to bring in more fans.. thats awesome.  no sweat off my back. but that doesnt automatically make this practice ok.

also, the SE version of the game is being advertised as the full game, so your darn right i expect all the same experience as a CE buyer.  do i expect the soundtrack, artbook, and vanity items?  no, thats what you are paying for when you spend the extra $20.. but i do expect access to released DLC that contains, arguably, a HUGE part of the ME universe.  again, its a PROTHEAN.  why would bioware suddenly make this purchasable if it wasnt important?

and yet SE buyers are NOT going to be getting that content unless they spend an extra $10. it sucked with warden's keep (even if it did only cost $7), and it sucks here too.

[Descedent]

how has bioware not locked this thread yet?

[Massefeckt]

aksoileau wrote...

I still think no one is boycotting. Postponing a purchase, buying used, or getting it through nefarious means is not a boycott.

Buying used means no money for EA which is better, play the game without giving EA any money the customer doesn't lose EA does.

It's such a strange thing to do, with ME2 you had this sort of thing for anyone who bought a new copy of the game, which seems fair, buy an actual copy and get a character, everyone wins and everyone is happy more people buy new rather than used and EA/Bioware make money and the customers are happy. Now it's a CE edition or buy if you have a SE. Now I can just buy a used copy when it drops to half price and buy the characters it will only get EA a small percentage of what they could have got from me, it could have got the full price of a game from me now it will only get the DLC price from me. Whatever the issues whether it's cut from the game or overchargeing doesn't really matter it's just bad business planning, greed seems to have blinded them to common sense.

[Draconis6666]

PetrySilva wrote...

mogonk wrote...

If games were "worth" $70, companies would charge $70 for them and customers would pay it.  The fact that they don't means they aren't.  That's market capitalism.

Day 1 DLC is effectively a raise in the price of the game that is designed to trick the consumer into believing it's cheaper than it is.  It's a way of pricing the game at $70 without putting a $70 price tag on it. 

In the same way that the real cost of most f2p games is higher than their p2p counterparts, DLC is a way of misleading players into misperceiving the real costs of their purchase.  In both cases this is achieved by making the player pay for content.  When that content is not produced outside of the development cycle, but as part of the development process, this becomes particularly egregious.  That's what we have here. 

I can understand why some consumers would grumble about this, but buy the game anyway.  What I cannot understand is why some consumers defend with great intensity a company that is adopting business practices that hurt them.

It's sorta surreal.  The kind of thing one might expect to read in a dystopian science fiction novel.

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Also an opinion

In my opinion people who expect to pay $60 for a game that 10 years ago would have cost the eqivalent of $70 or 80 then demand that content that would not even have been in that game be given to them free because they think they deserve it are saying'

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because those people are the ones who in my opinion are ripping someone off, they are demanding more for less value than they have paid in the past and simply expecting that it should be given to them because they believe so.

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 24 février 2012 - 12:12 .

[Descedent]

Massefeckt wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

I still think no one is boycotting. Postponing a purchase, buying used, or getting it through nefarious means is not a boycott.

Buying used means no money for EA which is better, play the game without giving EA any money the customer doesn't lose EA does.

Too bad I can't buy pc used then.

[Rip504]

wiseguy1287 wrote...

This DLC is in celebration of the coming release of a massively popular game. This isn't celebration, this is irate b####ing. Does anyone need bibs or cheese with their whine.

Whine & Cheese DLC for my Cabin.


Bought!

[MissOuJ]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I have a question. The Bioware people say that the Prothean DLC was completed by a different team well after the game went to certification. Was the Prothean in the the leaked script?

He was indeed.

As I hear it he was cut from the script and they rewrote the story without him, then they decided to include him again as DLC.

That's the version I heard aswell. Didn't somebody who'd read the latest leaked skript say he wan't relevant to the overall plot? Granted, that was like... 50 pages back. Jesus this thing moves fast.

[TheStoner]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I bought the Collector's Edition as well. And unless you apply reason I'm not going to believe anything you say, especially since you've been openly insulting us for your entire stay in this thread.

Reason is lost on the uncivilized.

The route word of civilized is civil (In the sense of civility, notin regards to civillians) You are not being civil.

[Ianamus]

rainasa wrote...

opinions are raging pretty hard on both sides of this debate, and most of the volitle comments can be attributed to the same 5 or so people, and personal attacks have been flying around in this topic like the rounds from a MG42 machine gun,

i cannot help but pity the poor mods who have to read every page in this topic

It's probably the most fun they've had in ages. And I'm glad to see that there are still sane people here.

[N7Raider]

Descedent wrote...

how has bioware not locked this thread yet?

well it's stickied, that'd be weird if they locked a stickied thread.  The better question is how come they haven't returned the dlc to it's prior CE exclusive status?  

[Nauks]

Aaleel wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I have a question. The Bioware people say that the Prothean DLC was completed by a different team well after the game went to certification. Was the Prothean in the the leaked script?

He was indeed.

Bah, I was hoping the answer was no.  That really is disappointing to hear.

Indeed, this brings up unsetteling questions.
Did the Prothean originally have a bigger part in the ME3 main quest? did they have to dillute or downright cut (like the trial) his real impact on the game?

[RiouHotaru]

 Okay, for the record?

The Prothean being in the script leak is not an indication of anything.

The script gives NO indication at what level of development he's at beyond the fact story events were written for him.

Don't claim that the script or voice files are evidence that he was in any significant stage of development, unless you want to look like an idiot.

[Draconis6666]

Tobey2011 wrote...

How pathetic and greedy can this company get? This is just getting frikking ridiculous.

Yes its very rediculous that a company that charges you less value for their products than they did previously wants to charge you for something that would not have even been in the product you originaly would have paid more for. How dare they be so greedy. 

[wickedwizzard01]

oh no not this crap again
it's the same thing with every friggin DLC either it is too expensive or it should have been in the main game
i can remember the same discussion when the shadowbroker DLC was released
and no i am not someone with loads of money but this is getting old
i am not an english speaker but i believe a lot of people do not understand the word "Optional"
so it is not an required character for the full ME3 Story

but i have pre ordered the CE edition and might as well argue that this should have been an CE exclusive
but i hope a lot of people can enjoy this DLC

what i do not understand is this:

when they charge you $10 for just 2 or so multiplayer maps in COD or for 1 0r 2 cars in a game like forza / need for speed every stays quiet like they think its ok
and now since you can't afford to buy the CE edition or you chose to buy the standard version
Bioware or any other developer sux????

how hypocritical is this

just stop this BS since it is not going to change anymore
all i can say is either you buy it or you do not buy it
just enjoy the game these people have created for us
and i hope every one will

i will probably get flamed for this but this is just my opinion , feel free to disagree

[piemanz]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Ok, I'm back, what did I miss?

People who don't care: "We don't care..."

People who do care: "My dad can beat up your dad!"

Seems reasonable.

[OdanUrr]

piemanz wrote...

Ok, I'm back, what did I miss?

Nothing much.

[Yuoaman]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Ok, I'm back, what did I miss?

People who don't care: "We don't care..."

People who do care: "My dad can beat up your dad!"

Are we allowed to bet on these hypothetical dad vs. dad matches? Because betting against my dad would get me quite a bit of cash... It's hard for ashes to win a fight I hear.

[CG50]

Descedent wrote...

how has bioware not locked this thread yet?

Probably because if they did there would be another thread with the same arguments with complaints how the lockdown infringed their free speech and "are we not allowed to disagree?" or "isn't this a free country?" or something like that.

[BTCentral]

N7Raider wrote...

Descedent wrote...

how has bioware not locked this thread yet?

well it's stickied, that'd be weird if they locked a stickied thread.  The better question is how come they haven't returned the dlc to it's prior CE exclusive status?

Was it ever stated it was CE exclusive? All I ever saw was that it was included with the CE. However making it CE exclusive would be a simple solution.

Then of course, people would complain that they are unable to buy it.

Modifié par BTCentral, 24 février 2012 - 12:22 .

[N7Raider]

MissOuJ wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I have a question. The Bioware people say that the Prothean DLC was completed by a different team well after the game went to certification. Was the Prothean in the the leaked script?

He was indeed.

As I hear it he was cut from the script and they rewrote the story without him, then they decided to include him again as DLC.

That's the version I heard aswell. Didn't somebody who'd read the latest leaked skript say he wan't relevant to the overall plot? Granted, that was like... 50 pages back. Jesus this thing moves fast.

The latest leak?  The one that's like thousands of pages, yeah I seriously doubt anyone read that thing in its entirety.  

[nightcobra]

N7Raider wrote...

Descedent wrote...

how has bioware not locked this thread yet?

well it's stickied, that'd be weird if they locked a stickied thread.  The better question is how come they haven't returned the dlc to it's prior CE exclusive status?  

because if you see the CE poster, the DLC was never exclusive in the first place.

[blindchaos]

I think it's unfair to demonize either side of this argument. On the one hand DLC is becoming an increasingly worrying part of Video Game culture. People old enough to remember a time before DLC and those who just don't like the trend have every right to voice their concern.

However, defenders have a point when they show that this move was not really hidden from the public. Bioware was fairly transparent about this DLC, and only tried to keep the Squad member's race hidden for probably both marketing reasons and to delay this discussion.

Neither side should have to agree with the other, but they both have relevant points.