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[TheStoner]

N7Raider wrote...

Descedent wrote...

how has bioware not locked this thread yet?

well it's stickied, that'd be weird if they locked a stickied thread.  The better question is how come they haven't returned the dlc to it's prior CE exclusive status?  

Because it was never CE exclusive. How many times do I have to say this. It was just tacked onto the CE to increase sales.

[Goth Skunk]

Yuoaman wrote...

Goddamn, what did I personally ever do to you? What did any of the people on this side of the argument ever do to you? Are we bullying you in some way by not agreeing with you? Does it just enrage you that other people can have valid viewpoints that differ from yours?

Or is this just some sort of game to you?

People have challenged the integrity of a world-class video game developer and their publishing partner with accusations of gouging, many have gone to the point of hyperbole, using absolutely ridiculous claims of greed.

There are three levels of Mass Effect available at launch:

Basic
Basic + DLC
Collector's edition.

These people want only two levels, but they want to pay the same price for the first.

Basic+DLC at the price of Basic
Collector's edition.

When told it's not going to happen, they throw a tantrum. Then they try and be Vox Populi, except they most certainly do not speak for anyone that's purchased the CE, and they certainly do not speak for everyone else that buys the game. They claim to, and they may even delude themselves into believing they are, but they're not. They think themselves a beacon for change where no change is necessary, like some kind of minor gaming prophets.

They need to be told loudly, repeatedly, and harshly, to shut. The. Hell. Up.

They want to make a difference, take what measly little pride they have and not buy the game. See what difference it makes when they see the thousands of people they tried to represent do exactly what they don't want them to do, and buy the game AND the DLC without an eyeblink.

A reasonable person would then concede defeat. Instead, these disgusting ingrates grumble and whine and whisper under their breath about 'pathetic Biodrones,' still thinking themselves the Paragons of the gaming community and the rest of us raccoons easily distracted by shiny objects.

[gabe2gg]

Goth Skunk wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

Do you want me to get you your blanket, crybaby?

This coming from both sides is really what ruins a good debate, I keep getting reminded of my days in the school play ground.

This debate has been pointless from the first page. Cheapskates want something for free, something that legitimate people paid a premium price to get. Debate over. Cheapskates are wrong, legitimate people are right.

you are a biodrone,  the problem isnt the price, but there has to be limits somewhere with this DLC nonsense.  But no, all of us are poor peasants wanting something for free, am I right?

[Gobbi82]

wrdnshprd wrote...

rainasa wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

Sidney wrote...

The simple question is if you can complete the game w/o this then it is extra. It is as much extra as the Warden's Keep thing was extra in DAO or Shale was extra. You are buying a game and not everything Bioware could have done between the dates of X and Y which seems to be the answer many people want.

shale was free with a new game..  zaeed was free if you bought the game new

and i thought warden's keep should have been included with ALL versions of the game as well. 

again shale and the ceberus network was made "free" to make sure people continued to buy a new version of said game, for ME3 however multiplayer takes that spot, so they made the squadmember part of the CE and as day one dlc. Do i personaly agree with how they handled this whole situiation? no i do not. but at the same time its ludicrous to demand that OPTIONAL content that was designed after the game went to get certification because you think you DESERVE it. they have every right to sell the prothean as part of the CE and as DLC and if you dont like it, then simply do not buy him or if you feel really betrayed do not buy ME3 itself.

to me it doesnt matter if multiplayer was included or not.. for one, mass effect was originally advertised as a single player game.  so the multiplayer is of no consequence to me.  if they want to add that feature to bring in more fans.. thats awesome.  no sweat off my back. but that doesnt automatically make this practice ok.

also, the SE version of the game is being advertised as the full game, so your darn right i expect all the same experience as a CE buyer.  do i expect the soundtrack, artbook, and vanity items?  no, thats what you are paying for when you spend the extra $20.. but i do expect access to released DLC that contains, arguably, a HUGE part of the ME universe.  again, its a PROTHEAN.  why would bioware suddenly make this purchasable if it wasnt important?

and yet SE buyers are NOT going to be getting that content unless they spend an extra $10. it sucked with warden's keep (even if it did only cost $7), and it sucks here too.

THIS

[ArkkAngel007]

N7Raider wrote...

Descedent wrote...

how has bioware not locked this thread yet?

well it's stickied, that'd be weird if they locked a stickied thread.  The better question is how come they haven't returned the dlc to it's prior CE exclusive status?  

They can lock a sticky thread...they have cleaned out a thread to of all posts except the original in the past too.  After all, this was meant to be an announcement and give us the opportunity to discuss it.  If we don't play nice with eachother, they can take that away.

[piemanz]

Descedent wrote...

how has bioware not locked this thread yet?

To detract attention from Andersons legs maybe?

Modifié par piemanz, 24 février 2012 - 12:08 .

[rainasa]

MissOuJ wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I have a question. The Bioware people say that the Prothean DLC was completed by a different team well after the game went to certification. Was the Prothean in the the leaked script?

He was indeed.

As I hear it he was cut from the script and they rewrote the story without him, then they decided to include him again as DLC.

That's the version I heard aswell. Didn't somebody who'd read the latest leaked skript say he wan't relevant to the overall plot? Granted, that was like... 50 pages back. Jesus this thing moves fast.

he was included in the first leaked script but he was completly removed from the second one that was released. but instead of just gutting him they added him as a dlc squadmate, as someone who is unique and provides new lore but overall has little to no effect on the main story itself.

[Chozo_Hybrid]

Descedent wrote...

how has bioware not locked this thread yet?

I think it is the one thread they are allowing people to discuss/vent.

[OdanUrr]

Is it too late to ask we try and keep things civil?

[Rip504]

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

[rumbalumba]

okay, i read some leak that the Prothean will be like Grunt on a tank or a clone or something, not at TRUE Prothean.

[Omilophile]

N7Raider wrote...

Descedent wrote...

how has bioware not locked this thread yet?

well it's stickied, that'd be weird if they locked a stickied thread.  The better question is how come they haven't returned the dlc to it's prior CE exclusive status?  

Then people would just demand that they should at least be able to buy it. Oh, wait, wasn't that the whole problem they had in the first place? People make me giggle.

[Massefeckt]

Descedent wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

I still think no one is boycotting. Postponing a purchase, buying used, or getting it through nefarious means is not a boycott.

Buying used means no money for EA which is better, play the game without giving EA any money the customer doesn't lose EA does.

Too bad I can't buy pc used then.

There are other ways.

[GnusmasTHX]

MissOuJ wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I have a question. The Bioware people say that the Prothean DLC was completed by a different team well after the game went to certification. Was the Prothean in the the leaked script?

He was indeed.

As I hear it he was cut from the script and they rewrote the story without him, then they decided to include him again as DLC.

That's the version I heard aswell. Didn't somebody who'd read the latest leaked skript say he wan't relevant to the overall plot? Granted, that was like... 50 pages back. Jesus this thing moves fast.

He was never relevant to the overall plot. He was always just a walking pile of Codex entries.

[ArkkAngel007]

rainasa wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I have a question. The Bioware people say that the Prothean DLC was completed by a different team well after the game went to certification. Was the Prothean in the the leaked script?

He was indeed.

As I hear it he was cut from the script and they rewrote the story without him, then they decided to include him again as DLC.

That's the version I heard aswell. Didn't somebody who'd read the latest leaked skript say he wan't relevant to the overall plot? Granted, that was like... 50 pages back. Jesus this thing moves fast.

he was included in the first leaked script but he was completly removed from the second one that was released. but instead of just gutting him they added him as a dlc squadmate, as someone who is unique and provides new lore but overall has little to no effect on the main story itself.

Jessica, and I think Mike also, have said the lore Javik provides is already present in the game in some way.  He just gives a more persoanl account/opinion.

[thoththeblack]

I remember how many people grumbled about how long it took Bioware to get us the Kasumi DLC. I would think ME fans would be happy to be getting a major DLC so soon, so they CAN integrate it into our initial playthroughs. My guess is several Bioware employees put in a LOT of overtime after what was an already exhausting experience making the main game in order for this to happen.

Don't be gits. Cut these guys some slack. They worked very hard on this.

[nitefyre410]

OdanUrr wrote...

Is it too late to ask we try and keep things civil?

 

way to late... just sit back and watch the fire burn.

[Aaleel]

RiouHotaru wrote...

 Okay, for the record?

The Prothean being in the script leak is not an indication of anything.

The script gives NO indication at what level of development he's at beyond the fact story events were written for him.

Don't claim that the script or voice files are evidence that he was in any significant stage of development, unless you want to look like an idiot.

Um, the way Bioware made it sound was as if everything was thought up and done after the game went to certification.  The Prothean being in the script shows they planned on him being part of the game from the start. 

[DJBare]

Descedent wrote...

how has bioware not locked this thread yet?

The real question is, why do you want it locked?
Seems better to keep it all in one place than spread across the forum.

[MissOuJ]

Massefeckt wrote...

Buying used means no money for EA which is better, play the game without giving EA any money the customer doesn't lose EA does.

It means no money for BioWare either, and means all money stays with the distributioner (GameStop etc.), which means companies have to come up with new ways to make money from used game sales... which means pretty much more D1 DLC or similar.

[breadedpudding]

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Descedent wrote...

how has bioware not locked this thread yet?

I think it is the one thread they are allowing people to discuss/vent.

Unfortunately, I think it has gone way past the "discussion" stage at this point. 

[N7Infernox]

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

Descedent wrote...

how has bioware not locked this thread yet?

I think it is the one thread they are allowing people to discuss/vent.

They're probably watching the whole thing unfold, waiting for the debate to die out., all while playing the illusive man's theme in the background.

[piemanz]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Descedent wrote...

how has bioware not locked this thread yet?

To detract attention from Andersons legs maybe?

Andersons leg will be fix in a DLC. Trust me.

I know, but it doesn't stop people whining about it.

[Tobey2011]

So by the looks of it, this was made before the game was finished. Sorry but there is no excuse even if this wasn't the case, you cannot justify a DAY ONE dlc. This kind of s*** was unthinkable a few years back, and its not a step forward.