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[Draconis6666]

Sledge454 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Really? A prothean has what to do with the reapers destroying the galaxy? you seem to think the plot of the game is "lets discover what happened to this race of dead aliens 50,000 years ago" because thats the only plot where a Prothean is gauranteed to have a huge role.

Because everyone thought that's where all ME tech comes from.  Because before the Prothean civilization was wiped out, their scientists created Vigil to tell future generations of the genocide and the software to take control of the Citadel mass relay as their last act of defiance.  Because Liara has basically spent her entire professional career studying them.

How is that not a big deal?

Because thats not where all ME tech comes from it comes from the Reapers, because there where thousands of civilizationsn before the Protheans that were also wiped out, because we have already talked to Vigil and learned what he knew. Because what liara spent her backstory doing isnt automaticaly releavent or crucial to the plot of the game its backstory, Garus spent his backstory as C-Sec officer you dont see us roaming around playing cop on the citadel in the main plot..

[PSUHammer]

So, for all the distrust and hate for Bioware here, I am assuming you folks won't be buying/playing ME3 and will move on to something more productive with your lives?

[Daywalker315]

rumbalumba wrote...

Sleek wrote...

I wish EA would just try on there next release with NO DLC ,Zero pre order bonus and see how much happier the fans would be how much less of a headache it would be for Bioware.

and instead put all the content they developed inside a $60 COMPLETE game with no shenanigans? you mean, doing what is completely normal to do for the past 30 years of gaming?

People would just complain that there were no pre-order bonuses and they didn't get enough content. They'd say they didn't get anything extra for pre-ordering and that BW doesn't care about their loyal fans. This is the BSN. There is no such thing as happiness here.

[Smorj]

Greed has poisoned men's souls.

[ArkkAngel007]

So...the argument is that because he is a Prothean, he is de facto important and integral to the game and the narrative because the fans decide he is, even if he isn't? And that content made by a separate team and completed later, sold in a more expensive edition, should be free day 1 to everyone else?

Time to leave fantasy land.

[realguile]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

LucretoDrakor wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

I'm not bothered that the CE edition is getting an exclusive character, but I AM bothered it is a Prothean. If it were some human merc like Zaeed or Kasumi then woop de doo, keep him. But a Prothean is important to the story, and it is taking out a chunk of it.

CE pay for it. You can pay for it. Are you retarded or what there is nothing to complain about.

Don't you have any sence of morals or are you just so brainwashed your willing to give EA more money and reward them for this bull**** way of doing business?

Hey kid. I have money I bought CE to get DLC and stuff like that. Do I get it ? Yes. You pay for standard peasant edition and expect to have the same thing?... seriously...

This man knows what time it is. All of you cry babies fall in line. You will NOT get what I am paying for for free and bioware needs to eat, so pay the man and play the game. if enough people buy it maybe we'll get mass effect 4.

[El Ejcovero]

Almostfaceman wrote...

It does change your point. Your images are implying that something essential is being left out. It's been said for MONTHS that this is BONUS content for the CE. So, the image of the Mona Lisa missing a piece of her face is wrong. Dead wrong. The Prothean squadmate, if you choose not to buy him, does not keep you or anyone else from achieving the "perfect ending".

Now, unless you can prove that this was cut content on purpose, completed before the game went gold, you're just voicing an opinion, which is being contradicted by the developers. I believe the devs over you.

You failed to read my post I see... Taken in by the image? >D
Anyway, JUST LIKE WITH DEUS EX, BLAMING THE OTHER STUDIO FOR FAILURE DOESN'T FLY.
So according to your argument, day one DLC was developed separately by another developer, therefore, it is alright to sell as separate from the game on release, for the sake of argument, I concede. Well, the last Call of Duty was sold as one package (a package I feel was a ripoff, but that is beside the point). It was made by 3 developers, so, how about we sell MW3 at $60, whatever IW worked at is included in the price, whatever Sledgehammer worked on for another $10, and whatever Treyarch worked on for another $10, so you get MW3 at $80 (all extra DLC included), but if you get the Digital Deluxe edition you pay $90 and it all comes for free!!!
You have to be stupid or a blind fanboy to swallow that one, and that is what you are doing. Stop sucking and face reality. As I said:

This is unchanged, unethical, and unacceptable.

Modifié par El Ejcovero, 23 février 2012 - 12:07 .

[Dionkey]

Texaboose wrote...

elessarz wrote...

I suppose I and many others must not be big enough fans of Mass Effect to deserve to have this DLC on the basic disk. This move did not fly with either Dragon Age: Origins or Dragon Age 2 and it certainly doesn't hold up now. Tread carefully, Bioware. I may just have to take my patronage elsewhere.

Go ahead. I support Indy developers as much as anyway (Minecraft ftw).

However, I've yet to find an indy game with the same RPG depth of any Bioware game. Let me know if you find one.

*whispers* The Witcher 2.

Seriosuly, you should play it. Best game in 2011.

[LinksOcarina]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

2. "From Ashes" is not a major plot point[/b]: messed up, because a living, breathing prothean not being major to the plot just feels soo wrong in this universe that this would be even more stupid than the alternative (being it is a major plot point dlc), because it destroys the entire lore of the game

How? Explain this with something other than "because hes a prothean so he has to be" or "protheans are key to everything!" The plot of the game is the war against the reapers not the extinction of the protheans from 50.000 years ago. If this were still ME 1 then a Prothean would be of arguably more importance. At the point the plot has progressed now however a Prothean adds nothing to the plot simply because hes a prothean. Even knowing HOW the reapers wiped out the protheans in expilict detail is of neglitable importance because the races of the galaxy now are NOT the protheans and will not be approached the same way unless your saying that the Reapers are morons who do everything the exact same way every time and ignore any difference in situationst hat give different advantages.

He survived the last purge, how is that not important.

No one is saying thats not important.

I think what people are trying to point out is that the Prothean may not affect the outcome of the game, like Zaeed, Shale, and Sebastian were for other titles. They are there for the ride and have important things to say and show us, but not integral to beating the Reapers. 

So for it being an extra, its essentially something that is optional to the choice of the fanbase. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 23 février 2012 - 12:08 .

[Paragon Auducan]

Texaboose wrote...

elessarz wrote...

I suppose I and many others must not be big enough fans of Mass Effect to deserve to have this DLC on the basic disk. This move did not fly with either Dragon Age: Origins or Dragon Age 2 and it certainly doesn't hold up now. Tread carefully, Bioware. I may just have to take my patronage elsewhere.

Go ahead. I support Indy developers as much as anyway (Minecraft ftw).

However, I've yet to find an indy game with the same RPG depth of any Bioware game. Let me know if you find one.

That's like choosing a highly abusive partner who is good in bed head instead of the slightly less expierenced but kind and loving partner.

[packardbell]

LinksOcarina wrote...

packardbell wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

packardbell wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

packardbell wrote...

I can't believe people are trying to justify this decision. I've bought every single one of their games and pieces of DLC, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, milking your loyal customers of a purchase that should be available to all is downright insulting and makes me want to cancel my pre-order right away... maybe this will be my last Bioware purchase until they change their business ethics.. or at least EA.

tl;dr: It should be included for everyone, I see no reason why it wasn't, ala Sebastian, Zaeed and Shale... all available for free for loyal customers.

Sebastian wasn't free for customers who didn't get the signature edtion of the game. And people moaned over the fact that Zaeed and Shale were free for new buyers only at the time too, complaining that signing up and getting them for free over the cost of 10-15 dollars after the fact is wrong. 

So honestly, it doesn't matter how Bioware does things, because people will always think they are entitled to something that was made into a planned extra.

If you pre-ordered DA2 before a certain time then your copy would get a free upgrade to the signature edition which would include Sebastian and other bits of content at no extra cost, yes I would rather it be avaliable to all day 1 purchases of the game but it's still much better than this situation.. and Sebastian wasn't really intregal to the game, was just a nice character to have. But again it was a bonus to all the loyal customers who pre-order from day 1. Spin it al lyou want but this is not acceptable.

It's the same damn thing though. The character is extra content at no cost for those who got the collectors edition, and is optional content for those who wish to download it. If they decided to upgrade everything to the collectors edition suddenly to include the Prothean code in the box, people would still complain despite getting their way.

I'm not spinning anything really, i'm calling people out on the fact that their behavior towards this is unacceptable because its the choice of the company to do what they please with the product.

I don't care about CE's, why should loyal customers be punished for not buying the CE? Which I might add should only be purchased for the physical contents and not in-game stuff. They could of easily pleased the CE holders but adding actually more swag and not useless in-game DLC like a robot dog or alternative outfits.

i'm actually confused now...are you upset over this being no longer an exclusive part of the CE? or just upset that it exists in general? 

No, as I said before I don't care about CE's. Instead of adding in-game content for incentives to purchase the CE, just add actual physical content to they wouldn't get upset.

[rumbalumba]

Sidac wrote...

Company gets done with a project and sits on their butts while the game is printed and realeased, FANS CRY

Company gets done with a project and tells another team to have fun with it, FANS CRY HARDER


long story short, fans are complete and utter crybabies

how about


Company makes game wholeheartedly without taking content away and locking them out and charging consumers MORE money on top of what they already paid for?

[Tazzmission]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

ME3Shepard wrote...

So if we already pre-ordered CE, we only miss out on the appearance pack for all squad mates right? we still get the new weapon?

um the armors are in the ce dude


feel free to watch the trailer for it

The CE armors are different from the "From Ashes" ones. And you don't miss out on anything ME3Shepard. CE will get appearance pack and gun from "From Ashes", in addition to the N7 weapon pack and squad appearance pack from CE.

um no its not. its pretty ovious the people who got the standard edition will be able to get the ce armors since mike basicly confirmed it with the prothean dlc.......

Modifié par Tazzmission, 23 février 2012 - 12:08 .

[PaulSX]

Sudsaroo wrote...

Why should any of you who didn't buy Collector's Edition be given the DLC for free?

Not everyone on BSN is a huge fan of mass effect. Why I want to spend more money for a game I probably only will play once or two.

[Major Alenko]

[N7Infernox]

Sidac wrote...

Company gets done with a project and sits on their butts while the game is printed and realeased, FANS CRY

Company gets done with a project and tells another team to have fun with it, FANS CRY HARDER


long story short, fans are complete and utter crybabies

um... what?

[Stooooo]

Dragon Age 2 being such a rushed out cash grab compared to the first, soured my view of Bioware's current state. Having a team member like this as chargable DLC on day 1 just takes the cake. Preorder canceled, i'll rent it or borrow it maybe.

[Paragon Auducan]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

2. "From Ashes" is not a major plot point[/b]: messed up, because a living, breathing prothean not being major to the plot just feels soo wrong in this universe that this would be even more stupid than the alternative (being it is a major plot point dlc), because it destroys the entire lore of the game

How? Explain this with something other than "because hes a prothean so he has to be" or "protheans are key to everything!" The plot of the game is the war against the reapers not the extinction of the protheans from 50.000 years ago. If this were still ME 1 then a Prothean would be of arguably more importance. At the point the plot has progressed now however a Prothean adds nothing to the plot simply because hes a prothean. Even knowing HOW the reapers wiped out the protheans in expilict detail is of neglitable importance because the races of the galaxy now are NOT the protheans and will not be approached the same way unless your saying that the Reapers are morons who do everything the exact same way every time and ignore any difference in situationst hat give different advantages.

He survived the last purge, how is that not important.

No one is saying thats not important.

I think what people are trying to point out is that the Prothean may not affect the outcome of the game, like Zaeed, Shale, and Sebastian were for other titles. They are there for the ride and have important things to say and show us, but not integral to beating the Reapers. 

It's still too important to make him basically exclusive.

[Bluumberry]

People are taking this way too seriously.

[El Ejcovero]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

So...the argument is that because he is a Prothean, he is de facto important and integral to the game and the narrative because the fans decide he is, even if he isn't? And that content made by a separate team and completed later, sold in a more expensive edition, should be free day 1 to everyone else?

Time to leave fantasy land.

This is the argument:

This is unacceptable.

[AK404]

You know, I'm going to be extremely disappointed if this turns out to be an Assassin's Creed 2-style unlock. What drives me up the wall is that Bioware has enjoyed a lot of goodwill from their audience, so I can see them either recanting on this "day one DLC" business or making sure that this DLC blows our minds.

[Solgineer]

JosephCurwen wrote...

I love how most of the people taking Bioware's side in this aren't actually focusing on trying to justify what Bioware have done, but just sort of revelling in the fact that the game will sell a lot of copies regardless.

1) Everybody realizes this.
2) You won't share in the profits.
3) More publishers will try this, leading to everyone getting less value from their gaming money. Including you guys.

I literally cannot understand the mentality of the people defending this. It goes beyond simple disagreement (unless you're just blindly cheering for your favourite game making "team", in which case I do understand it, but its stupid). Even if you've got the CE (Complete Edition), what will you think when another game comes out under similar circumstances and you don't? Will you only buy premium CEs for all games from now on? I honestly don't understand why people would endorse this kind of move.

Because they want to feel special and important regardless that EA is pushing a terrible business practice. They cut this out of the game and decided to hold it out because they knew people would want something like a Prothean squadmate. Biodrones are basically the people who would never question their government and do everything they ask and believe everything they say no matter how wrong it is.

[Pupuppu]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Hey kid. I have money I bought CE to get DLC and stuff like that. Do I get it ? Yes. You pay for standard peasant edition and expect to have the same thing?... seriously...

Eventually you will realize the game you bought is the (overprized) standard edition. I have no idea how to call the game you labled peasant edition, but the comparison fits.
Hopefully Bioware has an NPC included like in DA, that offers help with the loose ends by selling the DLC ingame.

[saturos2]

How come everytime bioware "addresses" issues, they descend into chaos?