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[Darkeus]

OmegaXI wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Gobbi82 wrote...

People are not begging for it to be free, most of us are upset because of the whole Day 1 DLC policy and the unfinished product state we get, if we only purchase the SE

You knew you were purshasing the peasant edition deal with it. 

I approve of this message

Wow, can we say jerks??

[Descedent]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Eain wrote...

yadayaada yada

Draw the line.

One game, one sale.

/THREAD

now close it. lock it, throw the keys away

So you'd infringe on the free speech of others who oppose your view?

free speech? What is this you speak of?  This is the internet, and if you are for paying DAY ONE DLC content. YOUR DOING IT WRONG.

Yet, you questioned how this "how hasn't thread wasnt locked down yet"  - Because bioware respects your ability to complain, and rant. They could be dicatorish and squash down every single statement that puts them in a bad light, but they dont. Thats character. I respect that.  

how's that biojuice taste? you like that huh

[wrdnshprd]

Lord Aesir wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

rainasa wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

Sidney wrote...

The simple question is if you can complete the game w/o this then it is extra. It is as much extra as the Warden's Keep thing was extra in DAO or Shale was extra. You are buying a game and not everything Bioware could have done between the dates of X and Y which seems to be the answer many people want.

shale was free with a new game..  zaeed was free if you bought the game new

and i thought warden's keep should have been included with ALL versions of the game as well. 

again shale and the ceberus network was made "free" to make sure people continued to buy a new version of said game, for ME3 however multiplayer takes that spot, so they made the squadmember part of the CE and as day one dlc. Do i personaly agree with how they handled this whole situiation? no i do not. but at the same time its ludicrous to demand that OPTIONAL content that was designed after the game went to get certification because you think you DESERVE it. they have every right to sell the prothean as part of the CE and as DLC and if you dont like it, then simply do not buy him or if you feel really betrayed do not buy ME3 itself.

to me it doesnt matter if multiplayer was included or not.. for one, mass effect was originally advertised as a single player game.  so the multiplayer is of no consequence to me.  if they want to add that feature to bring in more fans.. thats awesome.  no sweat off my back. but that doesnt automatically make this practice ok.

also, the SE version of the game is being advertised as the full game, so your darn right i expect all the same experience as a CE buyer.  do i expect the soundtrack, artbook, and vanity items?  no, thats what you are paying for when you spend the extra $20.. but i do expect access to released DLC that contains, arguably, a HUGE part of the ME universe.  again, its a PROTHEAN.  why would bioware suddenly make this purchasable if it wasnt important?

and yet SE buyers are NOT going to be getting that content unless they spend an extra $10. it sucked with warden's keep (even if it did only cost $7), and it sucks here too.

False logic.  It is purchasable because it is fun and EXTRA content, just like Overlord and The Shadowbroker, not because it is important to the plot, which it is not any more than the multiplayer.  The main plot gets on perfectly well without it.  This is just one Prothean that didn't even know about what the people on Ilos did.

I suggest you reread what you wrote because it sounds like your merely upset you don't get Prothean in the SE.  I don't know why since you would be getting him for $10 less than any fool that bought the CE purely for the Prothean.  Why is it wrong to charge extra for extra content and reward those that bought the CE with it?

your darn right im upset i dont get the prothean as part of the SE.  the SE is being advertised as THE FULL GAME.  not ME3 light, but the FULL version.  so yeah, i expect *gasp* all the content.  again, i could care less about the vanity items and stuff.. im talking about getting access to all of the actual characters and missions.  and right now, SE owners are getting the shaft in this regard unless they pay an extra $10.

i got absolutely no issues with DLC in general.  it keeps people interested in the game long term, and it gives me a reason to come back to a game ive played many times over.

i do, however, have a HUGE problem with them cutting out content at release to monetize it.. and thats EXACTLY what they did here.  again, i could care less if the content was made by a different team.  the content is finished and will be released at launch.  imo, ANY content that is finished by the initial launch of the game should either be on the disc, or released as new game incentives.  anything less is money grubbing.. plain and simple. 

you guys can justify the separation of content all you want, but at the end of the day you know im right. 

'well thats just the way things are'

yeah.. i wonder how it got to be that way..

'well, why dont you boycott the game then'

because this wasnt how things were handled with ME1 and 2, and i want to finish the story. thus ive already invested my time.  so they got me this round.

but you can bet if i see stuff like this with their future franchises, i wont be supporting them.

[Taty Bo Janglez]

darthnick427 wrote...

RAGE!!! ANGER GRRRR!!! I AM SO ANGRY!!

oh wait I have the CE of ME3 so who cares XD

The why are you posting in this thread then? Idiot.

[woods26]

Seems like a decent amount of content for $10. More than most DLC I think.

[Gobbi82]

Let's just keep it civil, a term such as "peasant" really does not portray this community

Modifié par Gobbi82, 24 février 2012 - 12:33 .

[Yuoaman]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...

Wow you take this thing wayyyyy to seriously. Bioware aren't members of your family, they aren't your friends, they are a business out to make as much money as possible and will screw people over to get it.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I am here. Scathing, audacious accusations like this.

Because people are somewhat cynical about capitalism? Odd reason, but who am I to judge?

[ArkkAngel007]

rainasa wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I have not once used the word "biodrone" in reference to any person with an opposing opinion, I challenge you to find one instance of me saying such a thing. I disagree with you, and I'm not going to be quiet about it because you can't handle differing opinions. I'm sorry.

You LIAR.

You're not the LEAST bit sorry.

I know this, because neither am I.

YOU may not have used the word 'Biodrone,' but I have had that word flung at me more often than feces on the window of a primate exhibit. In fact, the post immediately following that one, I was called a Biodrone.

Biodrone. As if that term somehow nullifies my viewpoint.

actually Yuoaman is pretty much the only person who has been almost completely civil in this thread
stubborn as a mule regarding his opinion, yes, but civil.

*ahem*

It's cool though.  I respect Yuoaman a lot.  He's been handling things really well on his end.  May not agree with him on everything, but we still agree on the root issue here.

[H1natachan]

nightlordv wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

collectors editions should not consist of story, plot or gamplay additions.

CE people are (should be) paying for hardcover artbooks, lithographs, soundtracks (cosmetic stuff)

because you say so? 

Because thats how it should be. For years CE did not consist of extra content that could be played in game outside of soundtracks, artbooks, etc. But in today's day and age of money grubbing big industry that try to nickle and dime consumers constantly its standard practice and its wrong. But its not going to change because people won't stand up and say they had enough, and they continue to allow big companies and the government take advantage of them.

I wouldn't mind what Bioware/EA did with this DLC if it consisted of some character like Zaeed, he was just some merc who had a half hour or so story element mission and played no impact at all on the main story. This is different, this is a Prothean, the race that this whole universe in ME practically revolved around in terms of plot. Take out the Prothean and add in the extra costumes, weapons, and whatnot, and no i wouldn't mind that not being in the standard edition and exlusive to the CE.

Look at Shale in DAO, she was one of the BEST characters, not only lore wise, but also throughout the entire game. DAO would not have been the same in my opinion without Shale. The fact that the main plot even had a story breaking element specifically if you brought Shale with you shows that her character was an important one.

Whether this Prothean is important to the plot or not is irrelevant, any ME fan would love to have one as a squad mate. This isn't a ship crew member that you just talk to, they actually come with you on missions. That to me is what makes me feel cheated for buying the standard edition and not have this included.

I agree with this post

[CG50]

OK

So on the one hand we have those who:

>Think that because bioware has made a day 1 dlc it should have been in the main game.
>Or that it should have been free with those who purchased new.
>Or that because of who the character is, it should have been an integral part of the game so therefore shouldn't even be DLC.
>Or they hate DLC/Day 1 DLC.

On the other hand.

>People believe it is not integral to the plot as people from bioware has stated such and was intended as a bonus for long time fans who bought the collectors edition.
>That the character should not be free as it would be a waste of money for those who bought the collectors edition as people who ordered the normal edition get it free.
>It is a business which has spent time and money making this DLC so it should not be free.

Solutions:
>BioWare's initial solution to give the people who weren't able to purchase the collectors edition was the enable the rest of people to buy it as soon as the game comes out so they wouldn't miss out.
>As it is seen as wrong that they made the prothean a DLC character instead of in the main game or that the character is Day 1 DLC/DLC/Costing money; people are cancelling orders and pre-orders or boycotting the game to show that they do not agree with such business practices and that BioWare/EA should not do it again or even fix this issue.

I have tried to summarise what the issues are to make it easier to discuss, if i have missed out on any my bad.

Or if this post is pointless then ahh well.

[Rip504]

So if this was day 2 dlc,would it be better?
Maybe Bioware should push it back a day.LoL

[nightcobra]

ElementL09 wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Heres the problem as i see it.

CE owner: Hmm an extra squad member, I think i will purchase that
SE owner:Meh, I'll stick with the standard edition i'm sure they'll release it at some point
Bioware: It's a Prothean
CE owner:WOOOOHOOOOO!
SE owner: OMFG, DO WANT!!!!
Bioware:It's ok you can purchase it on release! woot!
SE owner:OMFG WTFBBQ! DAY 1 DLC!?!

CE owner:  Well thats not right, the CE is well worth the 80$ without From Ashes, why can't everyone who purchases the game new get it for free at launch?  Why not make it like Zaeed and Firewalker (which both I thoroughly enjoyed)?

that's my reasoning, but i don't know maybe some CE people think they're actually paying for the DLC which they actually aren't really, even bioware said the DLC was free for them making those 20$ extra dollars for the collectibles even if their intention to buy the CE edition was for the DLC in the first place. 

[N7Infernox]

Gobbi82 wrote...

The attitude of some who purchased the CE towards those who have purchased the SE is something to be in awe of... It does not grant you superiority of any kind

I have purchased the CE, before you rage out on me.

Nice to know that there's people out there with humility

[CitizenSnips]

I'm back.

Buy it or don't.

[Heimdall]

Eain wrote...

I really want people to understand what's going on. I realise that there are some children around here (and with that I mean actual children and thus people inexperienced in the ways of corporations, not intended as an insult in any way) who are simply trying to defend the people who produce their favourite games, but it's up to the rest of us who are older to explain how things are going to unfold.

If we allow EA to do this to us, then there will come a time where we pay 60 dollars for a barebone launch title and then fork out another 25 to 40 dollars for Day One DLC that gives us content that's been withheld from the launch disk for no other reason than that we allowed it.

Publishers don't care for the people buying their games, they care for the wallets their money is coming from. If you do not believe that, you are fooling yourself and I mean that in the least offensive way I possibly could. We all fool ourselves every now and then, and sometimes we run into something we enjoy so much that we just want to pretend there's nothing wrong, but trust me EA's head honcho's and shareholders are laughing themselves all the way to the bank if we let them.

Draw the line.

One game, one sale.

I am not a child and I understand how corporations work.

If it ever gets to the point where EA  is doing the things you describe, I will be standing right with you.

But they are not doing that here.  Bioware is not doing that here.  They produced content apart from the main game after said game went into certification.  The lack of this content does not make the main game incomplete, it is supplementary.  Thus there is no problem with them offering it as an incentive or charging extra for extra content.

That is why so many people don't understand your attitude.  You are complaining about a situation that is not occuring.  When that situation occurs, you will find many more people agree with you, but that is not our current reality.

I feel it is unreasonable to attack a company that is not doing what you're complaining about.

[DJBare]

Goth Skunk wrote...

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I am here. Scathing, audacious accusations like this.

No you're not, you are here displaying your superiority over others, as your previous post listing your activities point out.

Modifié par DJBare, 24 février 2012 - 12:33 .

[N7Raider]

Rip504 wrote...

So if this was day 2 dlc,would it be better?
Maybe Bioware should push it back a day.LoL

Maybe they should just push it back to March 33:P

[Goth Skunk]

Yuoaman wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

Massefeckt wrote...

Wow you take this thing wayyyyy to seriously. Bioware aren't members of your family, they aren't your friends, they are a business out to make as much money as possible and will screw people over to get it.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I am here. Scathing, audacious accusations like this.

Because people are somewhat cynical about capitalism? Odd reason, but who am I to judge?

Spare me the condescenscion, if you want me to treat you civilly. You know damn well that bolded remark is a direct knock on BioWare and not on capitalism in general.

[Niemack Saarinen]

Descedent wrote...


how's that biojuice taste? you like that huh

Nice comeback, dont hurt yourself, ok?

[Chozo_Hybrid]

How about they reduce the CE by ten bucks and include it in the SE of the game? Refend those by ten bucks who bought the CE and have already paid etc.

In an ideal world perhaps.

[RaenImrahl]

Time for everyone to cool down.  This thread is being locked *temporarily* for five minutes.  I want everyone to get this message:

There has been a lot of great discussion in this threat about what is obviously a very controversial and passion-evoking issue.  There has *also* been a lot of name calling, ranting, and flaming.  The later type of discourse needs to stop.  The forum rules are linked below in my sig.  I encourage everyone to consult them, and modify your behavior accordingly.

RI

[Descedent]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Descedent wrote...


how's that biojuice taste? you like that huh

Nice comeback, dont hurt yourself, ok?

aww your no fun.

[blindchaos]

Gobbi82 wrote...

The attitude of some who purchased the CE towards those who have purchased the SE is something to be in awe of... It does not grant you superiority of any kind

I have purchased the CE, before you rage out on me.

I think you are right. The purchase of a CE does not entitle anyone to talk down to others and claim any kind of superiority be economic, social, or even claim to be a bigger fan.

However, being on the opposite side of the issue shouldn't grant anyone the right to call defenders sychophants or imply that they trying to get into bioware's good graces which seems just as silly a claim.  

How hard is it for both sides to just be civil to each other?

[RaenImrahl]

For those who have kept things civil, thank you.

For those who cannot find a modicum of civility, comments will be edited and user accounts will be banned for 24 hours. Also, a reminder that the site rules discourage posting images as responses in threads.

A productive discussion may now continue. This thread is again unlocked.  Enjoy.

RI

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 24 février 2012 - 12:41 .

[Goth Skunk]

DJBare wrote...

No you're not, you are here displaying your superiority over others, as your previous post listing your activities point out.

My chestpuffing is a symptom of my presence, not a cause.

Close, though.