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[Evilelf007]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

How about they reduce the CE by ten bucks and include it in the SE of the game? Refend those by ten bucks who bought the CE and have already paid etc.

In an ideal world perhaps.

except you didn'y pay for the DLC in the CE, version.
the DLC was free as said by bioware but they put it there for a reason, to entice you to shell out those 20$ that were the collectibles.

Nothing is free.  Those who paid for the CE paid for the access to the free dlc... the cost is always passed on to the consumer.  This was not included out of the goodness of their hearts.

[tetrisblock4x1]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...


They are the main characters of Mass Effect and far more worthy than anyone including Shepard.

You need to be more subtle.

And you need to stop riding Bioware, they're a ****ing corporation they don't need defending.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 24 février 2012 - 12:50 .

[Goth Skunk]

Yuoaman wrote...

I think I've earned a little snark - but I'll cut it out. I know the remark was aimed at Bioware, but the practice that people take issue with is one which capitalism fosters, you have to admit.

And no I'm not trying to start some sort of tirade against capitalism here, just clarifying my statement.

Capitalism fosters making the most money on a product or service offered. An amount that is affordable to the most customers, and is still profitable to be worth the creators time, efforts, and capital. Conversely, it is in th econsumers best interests to get the best possible product at the lowest possible price.

Which is where I take issue with those now on the side of One Game, One Price. If they had their way, either we wait another 6 months for the game to come out with all the potential DLC at once (and perhaps a higher price-tag ultimately), or we see it out on March 6th with NO Prothean  squadmate and NO extra DLC to speak of at all! This is why there are several options fo consumers to choose from, from economy to first class. Complaining about it and calling for a boycott is selfish and non-constructive in the long run.

At its core, the economy level is no different than the first class model. You still have the game, and you can still complete your Shepard Saga. It's like a cake with no icing; It's still a cake, and it's cheaper than the premium cake, but the premium cake has icing, sprinkles, a filling between the two layers, and delicious sugar gelatin with nice fancy writing saying 'Thank you for your patronage!'

[Ianamus]

Xerxes52 wrote...

Same here. I preordered and paid off my copy of the CE, and the extra content is well worth $20, not even taking From Ashes into account imo.

I would be perfectly fine with Bioware if everyone had From Ashes included with a new purchase, the CE already has tons of bonuses as it stands now.

You only had to pay $20 extra for the collectors edition? 

We UK customers had to pay £38 extra, which is equivalent to $59.82 extra for the CE. 

I bet we'll have to pay more for this DLC in the UK as well <_< but that's a different argument I guess. 

[rainasa]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

They are the main characters of Mass Effect and far more worthy than anyone including Shepard.

that is an opinion. and his story in the script wasnt exactly good or entertaining, (which is also an opinion as i cannot say that this was  the reason he was removed), so he was cut and then given a smaller role as an optional squadmate so he could still provde lore for old fans of the mass effect universe.

[KBomb]

Darkeus wrote...

I must say, as someone who has the CE pre-ordered and ready to buy, I am a bit put-off by the behavior of some of the people who have CEs preordered like me and taking a horrible attitude with people who are just getting the standard edition.

I feel like EA/BioWare has gone a little too far with this. The "From Ashes" DLC should be available to anybody who buys the game new. It just seems wrong to withhold something that a lot of fans care deeply about. As you can see, they have already created an atmosphere of elitism as CE buyers are now ridiculing SE buyers. How sad....

I understand incentives to buy CE and to buy games new. But this is lore that is important to the fans of teh universe. It is a Prothean for the gods' sake! An integral reason for why Shepard and rest of the universe aren't bantha poodo anyway. It is just sort of greedy.

In fact, most of the marketing for ME3 has been flat out bad. Too many cross product tie-ins. Too many ways to skip out on the Single player experience. /Sigh

I will be getting ME3 because I have invested too much time (Five playthroughs of ME1 and ME2) to miss out on the finale. But man, I have never seen a company try so hard to alienate fans. I mean, i know I am becoming wary of any new games coming from BioWare right now....

Yep.

[Maeshone]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...


They are the main characters of Mass Effect and far more worthy than anyone including Shepard.

You need to be more subtle.

I have to agree with Sofia Lamb here (even though I kinda hate her, stealing the spotlight from Andrew Ryan...)

The Protheans are essentially worthless now. All the advantages they left for the next cycle were already used in the end of Mass Effect 1...

[Kreauchee]

Goth Skunk wrote...

I'm at work.

It's 5:22 pm. I've been here since 6:00 am.

I own my own apartment. I live with no roommates.

Every bill I have is paid off in full at the time of issue.

I have several multi-thousand dollar investments, including precious metals, mutual funds, savings plans, and stocks.

Last year alone, in addition to my regular mortgage payments, I put away $9000 into retirement savings, and another $9000 against my mortgage principle.

I am a card-carrying journeyman in my trade, and I make $32 an hour base. Double that on overtime.

Yet despite all this, it is the image YOU have conjured up that people think of when I say I play video games for recreation. Because of childish behaviour such as that of the people on the Anti-DLC side.

Actually, I think it's your rather childish behavior on these forums that made him think of you as, well, a 13 year old kid. Honestly, I had the same image of you as it's hard to believe an adult would act as you do on a simple forum thread.

You reply like a child who is still excited to be using the internet and doesn't want anyone speaking negatively about his favorite game. But that is neither here nor there.

Personally, I've never been a fan of DLC and I generally let companies know that by not buying it (much to my dismay, most other's do not feel the same as I....alas). I also don't see a problem with people letting the company know why they aren't going to be giving them money. Most companies like to know what disgruntles their customers and BioWare is no exception.

I subscribe to Eain's philosphy that this is only the beginning. The trend shows companies breaking more and more content off and including it in DLC for additional money.

That being said, I have a feeling that the DLC in this case will be, as they said, additional content. I'd love to have it but I won't weep for not having it included in the base game. If I change my mind based on reviews and suddenly need it, I can always just wait for the price of the game to come down and offset the cost that way.

There's no need for all the vitriole in this thread.

[Stephenc13]

The Prothean =/= Secret weapon against the Reapers.
So please stop complaining about how he should have been in the actual game.

The Prothean is just a survivor of the extinction. Not a secret weapon.
Surviving one extinction =/= Being all powerful.

He's just an interesting side-story that fits well as DLC.

[DJBare]

To those saying any kind of publicity is good publicity, not true when you have comments like this

It's pretty simple. If they are withholding content in order to try and charge an additional fee for it, its not a complete game,

, and trying to set them straight is next to impossible with the speed of comments.

[ElementL09]

Lord Aesir wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

ElementL09 wrote...

piemanz wrote...

Heres the problem as i see it.

CE owner: Hmm an extra squad member, I think i will purchase that
SE owner:Meh, I'll stick with the standard edition i'm sure they'll release it at some point
Bioware: It's a Prothean
CE owner:WOOOOHOOOOO!
SE owner: OMFG, DO WANT!!!!
Bioware:It's ok you can purchase it on release! woot!
SE owner:OMFG WTFBBQ! DAY 1 DLC!?!

CE owner:  Well thats not right, the CE is well worth the 80$ without From Ashes, why can't everyone who purchases the game new get it for free at launch?  Why not make it like Zaeed and Firewalker (which both I thoroughly enjoyed)?

that's my reasoning, but i don't know maybe some CE people think they're actually paying for the DLC which they actually aren't really, even bioware said the DLC was free for them making those 20$ extra dollars for the collectibles even if their intention to buy the CE edition was for the DLC in the first place. 

"Myster Squadmate" was part of the CE from the start.  We ARE paying for it.

Wasn't advertised well, on gamestops site (if you didn't look at the picture and only read the the contents) it isn't listed.  So not everyone really knew, and Bioware and EA waited this long to annouce the character and the mission after the leak.  Ridiculous.

[ArkkAngel007]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

So there are two kinds of people: those of us who believe that the squaddie DLC is cut from the game and has been on the disc for a large portion of the development cycle, and those who buy into their claim that this is just a last minute addition so there is no way that the character could have made it beofre going gold.

Well if the former is true then that means he is a fully realized character who could easily have a lot of plot importance and having to pay for that would clearly prove that Bioware are milking the audience, and nobody wants that. But on the other hand, if you believe the latter, this implies that Bioware have taken the games most interesting and important
character right next to the Reapers, and treated the character merely as side content who is a mere curiosity and not all that important to the plot. So we're either been milked or the character is not getting the full respect it deserves by been fully integrated into the games plot and frankly considering how huge the character is it shouldn't have been added into the game like just another squad mate. So either way we all lose.

He never made it onto the retail disc or into the main development cycle.  He was in concept still when the script he was relevent in was trashed and redrafted. 

But that's not for us to decide is if he is important or not, that's the writing team's job, who could have easily kept him written out, DLC or not.

[Tazzmission]

i have a question. is javik a biotic?

im eager to hear his powers

[blindchaos]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I just want to remind some people that gameplay and story elements should have never been included in the Collectors Edition in the first place.

Why? Because then the differences between the editions makes it seem like te Standard Edition is not complete and even though the SE has a beggining, middle and end, it has a missing element of the game that others got at launch. Its an obvoius marketing ploy. They can deny that it effects the game much or that it was part of the original game and cut later but the message that gets out there and sticks is that "you dont have everything there is to have at launch unless you pay unpressidented amounts of money on day 1 for a normal game.

How does a SE owner NOT feel like he is getting an incomplete copy of the game.

I have no problem with CE's coming with any kind of exclusive content they want as long as it is collectables and artwork and other cosmetic stuff.

The arguement about how much or "what, you can't afford $10" is irrelevant. It should be free because nobody should ever feel like the game they buy at launch day is incomplete.

If Bioware and EA had any real balls they would have just made the SE $79.99 in stores with all the content, take it r leave it. Because thats what it really comes down to. They want 80, not 70 from you at launch day. It just too much. Not because of the sheer value of $10 but for one thing that people don't seem to get here, Principle.

I completely agree with you.  This is how the system should be.  In game rewards are troublesome and will likely always lead to this argument.  However, Bioware still marketed the DLC squad member for their CE, and possibly made it exclusively to sell more copies of the CE.  How can bioware make this specific situation right without either punishing people who bought CEs or DDEs specifically for the Squad Member, or staying the course and charging SE owners for the DLC?

[CG50]

Ah screw this. You people can do whatever you want i cba discussing it anymore. Can't wait til March 9th!

[TheStoner]

Gobbi82 wrote...

I think what most people fail to realize is that the DLC included in our copies of the CE was not and never will be free.... $20 just for the collectibles ? Don't kid yourselves.

This happens alot and they usually sell out. I mean look at the swtor collecters edition.

[DenizYe]

Gobbi82 wrote...

I think what most people fail to realize is that the DLC included in our copies of the CE was not and never will be free.... $20 just for the collectibles ? Don't kid yourselves.

I think that the collectibles are 20 dollars worth. 
Soundtrack, Patch, Lithograph, Hardcover Artbook, Numerous bonus content (alt. appereance, dog, hoodie , etc), steel case,..
But I could be wrong 

[Gobbi82]

Ilgar92 wrote...

Is there people like me, who bought the CE ,but anti-dlc? Because this whole situation is a disgrace to SE owners, you guys payed 60$, you deserve to get a full experience from the game. Instead of the dlc, they could've put something different in CE: maybe a poster signed by VA-cast, or something else, at least it would be fair.

You are not alone, in fact, there are quite a lot of us around

[MissOuJ]

nightlordv wrote...

Because thats how it should be. For years CE did not consist of extra content that could be played in game outside of soundtracks, artbooks, etc. But in today's day and age of money grubbing big industry that try to nickle and dime consumers constantly its standard practice and its wrong. But its not going to change because people won't stand up and say they had enough, and they continue to allow big companies and the government take advantage of them.

I wouldn't mind what Bioware/EA did with this DLC if it consisted of some character like Zaeed, he was just some merc who had a half hour or so story element mission and played no impact at all on the main story. This is different, this is a Prothean, the race that this whole universe in ME practically revolved around in terms of plot. Take out the Prothean and add in the extra costumes, weapons, and whatnot, and no i wouldn't mind that not being in the standard edition and exlusive to the CE.

Look at Shale in DAO, she was one of the BEST characters, not only lore wise, but also throughout the entire game. DAO would not have been the same in my opinion without Shale. The fact that the main plot even had a story breaking element specifically if you brought Shale with you shows that her character was an important one.

Whether this Prothean is important to the plot or not is irrelevant, any ME fan would love to have one as a squad mate. This isn't a ship crew member that you just talk to, they actually come with you on missions. That to me is what makes me feel cheated for buying the standard edition and not have this included.

That might very well be, but it made my game no less complete.

I bought DAO used, so I didn't have Shale. I never actually bought anything extra for DAO. Point is, my DAO game is still just as complete. Nor is any copy of ME2 "incomplete" without Zaeed/Kasumi, or any DA2 without Sebastian - they're extra, and that's why you have to pay extra for them - either by purchasing a special edition, bying on launch, which is always more expensive than when you buy used, or by puchasing the DLC later. I don't really see a problem with this.

If the day comes, when we're paying $/€60+ for a product that can't be finished/is severly lacking without an $/€10-15 DLC, I'm joining the barrigades with you guys. Now I'm just seeing people who want for free something extra that people spent time to complete and that other people are paying extra for.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 24 février 2012 - 12:54 .

[Yuoaman]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I think I've earned a little snark - but I'll cut it out. I know the remark was aimed at Bioware, but the practice that people take issue with is one which capitalism fosters, you have to admit.

And no I'm not trying to start some sort of tirade against capitalism here, just clarifying my statement.

Capitalism fosters making the most money on a product or service offered. An amount that is affordable to the most customers, and is still profitable to be worth the creators time, efforts, and capital. Conversely, it is in th econsumers best interests to get the best possible product at the lowest possible price.

Which is where I take issue with those now on the side of One Game, One Price. If they had their way, either we wait another 6 months for the game to come out with all the potential DLC at once (and perhaps a higher price-tag ultimately), or we see it out on March 6th with NO Prothean  squadmate and NO extra DLC to speak of at all! This is why there are several options fo consumers to choose from, from economy to first class. Complaining about it and calling for a boycott is selfish and non-constructive in the long run.

At its core, the economy level is no different than the first class model. You still have the game, and you can still complete your Shepard Saga. It's like a cake with no icing; It's still a cake, and it's cheaper than the premium cake, but the premium cake has icing, sprinkles, a filling between the two layers, and delicious sugar gelatin with nice fancy writing saying 'Thank you for your patronage!'

I would think my Premium Cake should come with sprinkles and icing, not an extra piece of cake - the cake itself should have enough of that to go around.

[Azure33]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I just want to remind some people that gameplay and story elements should have never been included in the Collectors Edition in the first place.

Why? Because then the differences between the editions makes it seem like te Standard Edition is not complete and even though the SE has a beggining, middle and end, it has a missing element of the game that others got at launch. Its an obvoius marketing ploy. They can deny that it effects the game much or that it was part of the original game and cut later but the message that gets out there and sticks is that "you dont have everything there is to have at launch unless you pay unpressidented amounts of money on day 1 for a normal game.

How does a SE owner NOT feel like he is getting an incomplete copy of the game.

I have no problem with CE's coming with any kind of exclusive content they want as long as it is collectables and artwork and other cosmetic stuff.

The arguement about how much or "what, you can't afford $10" is irrelevant. It should be free because nobody should ever feel like the game they buy at launch day is incomplete.

If Bioware and EA had any real balls they would have just made the SE $79.99 in stores with all the content, take it r leave it. Because thats what it really comes down to. They want 80, not 70 from you at launch day. It just too much. Not because of the sheer value of $10 but for one thing that people don't seem to get here, Principle.

Agreed. This whole situation is just a cynical ploy to leverage ten more dollars out of their customers. It shows a disrespect for their fans and I would rather spend my money with a gaming company that does not try to monetize content in such a ham fisted and manipulative way.

[_symphony]

Lord Aesir wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

So there are two kinds of people: those of us who believe that the
squaddie DLC is cut from the game and has been on the disc for a large
portion of the development cycle, and those who buy into their claim
that this is just a last minute addition so there is no way that the
character could have made it beofre going gold.

Well if the
former is true then that means he is a fully realized character who
could easily have a lot of plot importance and having to pay for that
would clearly prove that Bioware are milking the audience, and nobody
wants that. But on the other hand, if you believe the latter, this
implies that Bioware have taken the games most interesting and important
character right next to the Reapers, and treated the character merely as
side content who is a mere curiosity and not all that important to the plot. So we're either been milked or the character is
not getting the full respect it deserves by been fully integrated into
the games plot and frankly considering how huge the character is it
shouldn't have been added into the game like just another squad mate.

The character was in the original script but was cut because he took the spotlight away from Shepard.  They later decided to include him as DLC.  Just because you find the Protheans so fascinating in no way makes it innapproriate to have one as side content.

He's not the only one that finds them fascinating, I think anyone that cares about Mass Effect's lore will find them so.

[Chozo_Hybrid]

On a personal note, I tend to play more because of where I live, in New Zealand we pay almost double for anything, and not for a real reason. So, I kinda feel I am paying for it considering I'm paying $150 for the CE. 150 NZD = 125 US dollars, and this is what it's like for any game. Not just this one. Game comes out at $60 in the US, we pay almost $120 every time. So, when people moan about prices in the US it tends to irk me a bit.

[Darkeus]

Ilgar92 wrote...

Is there people like me, who bought the CE ,but anti-dlc? Because this whole situation is a disgrace to SE owners, you guys payed 60$, you deserve to get a full experience from the game. Instead of the dlc, they could've put something different in CE: maybe a poster signed by VA-cast, or something else, at least it would be fair.

I am with you.  I have the CE coming and I just don't like the way this is being handled....