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[nightcobra]

Evilelf007 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

How about they reduce the CE by ten bucks and include it in the SE of the game? Refend those by ten bucks who bought the CE and have already paid etc.

In an ideal world perhaps.

except you didn'y pay for the DLC in the CE, version.
the DLC was free as said by bioware but they put it there for a reason, to entice you to shell out those 20$ that were the collectibles.

Nothing is free.  Those who paid for the CE paid for the access to the free dlc... the cost is always passed on to the consumer.  This was not included out of the goodness of their hearts.

of course not, it was included so people would be enticed by it even though it was free of charge like bioware said.
it was their way of making the people who didn't care about the collectibles (and so wouldn't buy a collector's edition in the first place) to buy the 20$ worth of collectibles. 

[Descedent]

Azure33 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I just want to remind some people that gameplay and story elements should have never been included in the Collectors Edition in the first place.

Why? Because then the differences between the editions makes it seem like te Standard Edition is not complete and even though the SE has a beggining, middle and end, it has a missing element of the game that others got at launch. Its an obvoius marketing ploy. They can deny that it effects the game much or that it was part of the original game and cut later but the message that gets out there and sticks is that "you dont have everything there is to have at launch unless you pay unpressidented amounts of money on day 1 for a normal game.

How does a SE owner NOT feel like he is getting an incomplete copy of the game.

I have no problem with CE's coming with any kind of exclusive content they want as long as it is collectables and artwork and other cosmetic stuff.

The arguement about how much or "what, you can't afford $10" is irrelevant. It should be free because nobody should ever feel like the game they buy at launch day is incomplete.

If Bioware and EA had any real balls they would have just made the SE $79.99 in stores with all the content, take it r leave it. Because thats what it really comes down to. They want 80, not 70 from you at launch day. It just too much. Not because of the sheer value of $10 but for one thing that people don't seem to get here, Principle.

Agreed. This whole situation is just a cynical ploy to leverage ten more dollars out of their customers. It shows a disrespect for their fans and I would rather spend my money with a gaming company that does not try to monetize content in such a ham fisted and manipulative way.

qft

[Evilelf007]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I think I've earned a little snark - but I'll cut it out. I know the remark was aimed at Bioware, but the practice that people take issue with is one which capitalism fosters, you have to admit.

And no I'm not trying to start some sort of tirade against capitalism here, just clarifying my statement.

Capitalism fosters making the most money on a product or service offered. An amount that is affordable to the most customers, and is still profitable to be worth the creators time, efforts, and capital. Conversely, it is in th econsumers best interests to get the best possible product at the lowest possible price.

Which is where I take issue with those now on the side of One Game, One Price. If they had their way, either we wait another 6 months for the game to come out with all the potential DLC at once (and perhaps a higher price-tag ultimately), or we see it out on March 6th with NO Prothean  squadmate and NO extra DLC to speak of at all! This is why there are several options fo consumers to choose from, from economy to first class. Complaining about it and calling for a boycott is selfish and non-constructive in the long run.

At its core, the economy level is no different than the first class model. You still have the game, and you can still complete your Shepard Saga. It's like a cake with no icing; It's still a cake, and it's cheaper than the premium cake, but the premium cake has icing, sprinkles, a filling between the two layers, and delicious sugar gelatin with nice fancy writing saying 'Thank you for your patronage!'

QFT!

[foo man chew]

Rip504 wrote...

So if this was day 2 dlc,would it be better?
Maybe Bioware should push it back a day.LoL

I dont think most people are upset about it being day dlc there mad about content that was finished when the game was released.For example me personally i feel like content that is made during the main production of the game should be in the game not cut then sold for extra cash.And yes i understand their a buisness and they want to make a profit but at the same time im a consumer who doesnt want to feel like im being nickeled and dimed.So honestly no side is really right or wrong in this argument because its more about morals than anything else,Some people are entirely ok with what their doing and thats fine.And some people feel its dishonest and thats fine too,Everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

[Tiax Rules All]

breadedpudding wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I just want to remind some people that gameplay and story elements should have never been included in the Collectors Edition in the first place.

Why? Because then the differences between the editions makes it seem like te Standard Edition is not complete and even though the SE has a beggining, middle and end, it has a missing element of the game that others got at launch. Its an obvoius marketing ploy. They can deny that it effects the game much or that it was part of the original game and cut later but the message that gets out there and sticks is that "you dont have everything there is to have at launch unless you pay unpressidented amounts of money on day 1 for a normal game.

How does a SE owner NOT feel like he is getting an incomplete copy of the game.

I have no problem with CE's coming with any kind of exclusive content they want as long as it is collectables and artwork and other cosmetic stuff.

The arguement about how much or "what, you can't afford $10" is irrelevant. It should be free because nobody should ever feel like the game they buy at launch day is incomplete.

If Bioware and EA had any real balls they would have just made the SE $79.99 in stores with all the content, take it r leave it. Because thats what it really comes down to. They want 80, not 70 from you at launch day. It just too much. Not because of the sheer value of $10 but for one thing that people don't seem to get here, Principle.

I don't disagree with you - and if it does seems that way it was not my intention - but I do have an honest question for you concerning what you're saying about Collector's Editions. I did purchase it. At the time, I had a bit of extra money, and I loved the little cosmetic/collectable bits that come with it (artbooks and soundtracks are always bonuses for me). The fact that there was extra content did factor in as well, but it wasn't the only reason why I shelled out the money. While I can understand what is going on from both sides, what about someone like me who purchased a CE for both cosmetic and content purposes?

What is included in the CE and the pricepoint associated to it are irrelevant. Everyone will be "enticed" by different things and they will all decide wether those "collectables" will be worth the buy. Personally I think the artbook is a huge additon and the CE would be worth $20 without the extra character and story.

My point is. Its not a Collectors Edition vs Standard Edition anymore. By adding story and gameplay to it, its the Complete vs Incomplete Editions.

What about the people who want all the game but do not want the collectables? Thats $80 on March 6 to play a complete Mass Effect.

Modifié par Tiax Rules All, 24 février 2012 - 12:59 .

[Kithrus]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Kithrus wrote...

Chozo_Hybrid wrote...

How about they reduce the CE by ten bucks and include it in the SE of the game? Refend those by ten bucks who bought the CE and have already paid etc.

In an ideal world perhaps.

When you buy a game your paying from the moment the devolpment team clocks in day 1 to the day they clock out the night before launch. Them taking that time to make other content then charging for it is wrong.

There are exceptions to this rule like weapons skins and other causmetic things but thats not what this DLC.

Do I care that its a Prothean... A bit yes but I care more that its a content DLC I'm paying for technically twice.

I won't lie, I expected this extra charater to be like Zaeed in the second game. He makes some witty comments in his room but doesn't have a diologue tree and a small mission.

That would have been something I could grudgingly let slide.

However.... We have a charater who clearly unless Bioware is stupid has a full fleshed out plot interweaved into the exsisting story with missions, new powers, diolog and who knows what else.

thats more then a tiny DLC.

So selling that on day one is bad marketing. Not from a money stand point but ethically from a customer relations stand point.

The Question is what will they be willing to do next time? Whill they be honest and let us have the future Shale free because it was meant for the game or charge us because they can?

I know this DLC wasn't meant to be anything but a DLC but that fact bugs me too.

Read the thread, this has been debunked.  Get a better understanding of game development, there is a span of time that can be months before the retailers start selling and the disc content finalization.

What was bebunked? how things play out in Game productions? I wasn't trying to prove anything about when or where what happens ect to say from the moment they start working on the game to the moment it launches I'm paying them to work on ME3. If they use that time to make DLCs to go with launch they should be free.

If this was made after launch then fine. I'll pay for this DLC but thats not the case.

[Ianamus]

Gobbi82 wrote...

Ilgar92 wrote...

Is there people like me, who bought the CE ,but anti-dlc? Because this whole situation is a disgrace to SE owners, you guys payed 60$, you deserve to get a full experience from the game. Instead of the dlc, they could've put something different in CE: maybe a poster signed by VA-cast, or something else, at least it would be fair.

You are not alone, in fact, there are quite a lot of us around

Your not alone, I have the CE pre-ordered but I do not think that this is acceptable. Makes it funny when people criticise me for only moaning about it so that I get the DLC free- I've effectively already bought it. 

I just think that it's unfair on those who couldn't pre-order in time or didn't want to have the extra cost. My friend wanted to, but here in the UK the CE costs $59.82 more than normal... and I really can't blame him for not thinking that it was worth it, since he has money troubles. 

Modifié par EJ107, 24 février 2012 - 12:57 .

[Goth Skunk]

Kreauchee wrote...

Personally, I've never been a fan of DLC and I generally let companies know that by not buying it (much to my dismay, most other's do not feel the same as I....alas). I also don't see a problem with people letting the company know why they aren't going to be giving them money. Most companies like to know what disgruntles their customers and BioWare is no exception.

I subscribe to Eain's philosphy that this is only the beginning. The trend shows companies breaking more and more content off and including it in DLC for additional money.

That being said, I have a feeling that the DLC in this case will be, as they said, additional content. I'd love to have it but I won't weep for not having it included in the base game. If I change my mind based on reviews and suddenly need it, I can always just wait for the price of the game to come down and offset the cost that way.

There's no need for all the vitriole in this thread.

First, you are wrong.

Content is not being broken off. It's being added on.

Second, I'm glad that the majority of people do not see eye to eye with you in terms of DLC. I want it to continue, and I think it's a great idea, especially if it's kept optional. This is called progress. What you cling to is stagnation.

[Maeshone]

foo man chew wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

So if this was day 2 dlc,would it be better?
Maybe Bioware should push it back a day.LoL

I dont think most people are upset about it being day dlc there mad about content that was finished when the game was released.For example me personally i feel like content that is made during the main production of the game should be in the game not cut then sold for extra cash.And yes i understand their a buisness and they want to make a profit but at the same time im a consumer who doesnt want to feel like im being nickeled and dimed.So honestly no side is really right or wrong in this argument because its more about morals than anything else,Some people are entirely ok with what their doing and thats fine.And some people feel its dishonest and thats fine too,Everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

just posting this again, not hating or anything just trying to clear this up. The main part of this DLC was not developed during main production. The main part was done after the game had been shipped off for verification, and therefore it couldn't be added to the disc.

[ArkkAngel007]

Ilgar92 wrote...

Is there people like me, who bought the CE ,but anti-dlc? Because this whole situation is a disgrace to SE owners, you guys payed 60$, you deserve to get a full experience from the game. Instead of the dlc, they could've put something different in CE: maybe a poster signed by VA-cast, or something else, at least it would be fair.

I don't think content should be withheld to those who buy the SE.  But I also find more value in additional gameplay than a pointless piece of cloth or plastic.  

Publishers learned that's the case for many, so now DLC is becoming more common in the CEs.  People voted with their money, so that's what we got.

As I said before, people should just not buy the DLC.  Go enjoy the game, but don't pay a dime more for the DLC so that it shows that people want the game, but do not agree with the DLC policy.

[Descedent]

EJ107 wrote...

Gobbi82 wrote...

Ilgar92 wrote...

Is there people like me, who bought the CE ,but anti-dlc? Because this whole situation is a disgrace to SE owners, you guys payed 60$, you deserve to get a full experience from the game. Instead of the dlc, they could've put something different in CE: maybe a poster signed by VA-cast, or something else, at least it would be fair.

You are not alone, in fact, there are quite a lot of us around

Your not alone, I have the CE pre-ordered but I do not think that this is acceptable. Makes it funny when people criticise me for only moaning about it so that I get the DLC free- I've effectively already bought it. 

I just think that it's unfair on those who couldn't pre-order in time or didn't want to have the extra cost. My friend wanted to, but here in the UK the CE costs $59.82 more than normal... and I really can't blame him for not thinking that it was worth it, since he has money troubles. 

+1 to this 

[vinwarrior]

I think this DLC should be part of the story but sounds great. I think you should make more DLC like this. Like a mission back to Feros, that was a prothean ruin. Or to Ilos. By the way can anyone tell me if grunt is returning in this game? Thanks.

[Ianamus]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

Stephenc13 wrote...

The Prothean =/= Secret weapon against the Reapers.
So please stop complaining about how he should have been in the actual game.

The Prothean is just a survivor of the extinction. Not a secret weapon.
Surviving one extinction =/= Being all powerful.

He's just an interesting side-story that fits well as DLC.

Indeed. I have read the leaked script, and the Prothean does nothing of note.

This makes him wasted potential more than anything else. It's a shame they didn't just include him in the main game in an important role. 

[rainasa]

Azure33 wrote...

Agreed. This whole situation is just a cynical ploy to leverage ten more dollars out of their customers. It shows a disrespect for their fans and I would rather spend my money with a gaming company that does not try to monetize content in such a ham fisted and manipulative way.

execpt that it isnt, this content was made after ME3 was done and was awaiting certification by the DLC team, it was not made as a EA conspiracy to milk the foolish SE owners of 10$ , it was made for long time fans to experience a character that would not have made it into the final game and was put in the CE as part of this. It is also completely OPTIONAL. it is not required for the main game, he does not effect the story at all, and if you feel that you REQUIRE extra content to get a full version of the game, then that is your proplem. not biowares.

[Evilelf007]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

of course not, it was included so people would be enticed by it even though it was free of charge like bioware said.
it was their way of making the people who didn't care about the collectibles (and so wouldn't buy a collector's edition in the first place) to buy the 20$ worth of collectibles. 

More like $7 worth of collectibles and $7 worth of dlc, and a nice metal case sold for an extra $20 more than the SE for a nice profit.

They are in this to make money remember..

Instead of having to pay for the collectibles, you can front for the dlc and still have gotten off cheaper with the SE.

Modifié par Evilelf007, 24 février 2012 - 01:00 .

[Goth Skunk]

Yuoaman wrote...

I would think my Premium Cake should come with sprinkles and icing, not an extra piece of cake - the cake itself should have enough of that to go around.

"From Ashes" is not an extra piece of cake. It's the icing.

The cake is still cake without it.

[Tazzmission]

vinwarrior wrote...

I think this DLC should be part of the story but sounds great. I think you should make more DLC like this. Like a mission back to Feros, that was a prothean ruin. Or to Ilos. By the way can anyone tell me if grunt is returning in this game? Thanks.

carefull now otherwise the same whiney posters will demand that should be free also


i personally wouldnt mind like a prothean expansion involving ilos and the construction of the science facility there

[Tobey2011]

I have a new business model to propose, I feel like EA/BioWare may like it. Why sell something like a SE or CE at all? People get way too much content for very little money!
Instead I recommend selling in short episodes that will be released every two month or so. This way we keep people playing and most importantly, sell little content for A LOT of money! Of course some sort of premium version of those little plot advancing episodes should exist. It's always nice to be able to overcharge for very little deviation from the usual product !

[ArkkAngel007]

vinwarrior wrote...

I think this DLC should be part of the story but sounds great. I think you should make more DLC like this. Like a mission back to Feros, that was a prothean ruin. Or to Ilos. By the way can anyone tell me if grunt is returning in this game? Thanks.

Yeah, Grunt is back if he lived.  He has his moments, so you should be pleased.

[GuyIncognito21]

Azure33 wrote...
Agreed. This whole situation is just a cynical ploy to leverage ten more dollars out of their customers. It shows a disrespect for their fans and I would rather spend my money with a gaming company that does not try to monetize content in such a ham fisted and manipulative way.

Bingo.  Ham fisted is a good way of describing it, because this ploy didn't even pass the straight face test.

They're trying to get people to pay extra for what they otherwise would have gotten at the normal price.  That's cut content DLC and it's an abhorrent business practice.

Important parts of the game should not be held ransom on launch just to soak a few more bucks out of people.

Almost every counter-argument to this either wilfully misrepresents the argument or ignores it in favor of some other straw man.

[Maeshone]

Tazzmission wrote...

vinwarrior wrote...

I think this DLC should be part of the story but sounds great. I think you should make more DLC like this. Like a mission back to Feros, that was a prothean ruin. Or to Ilos. By the way can anyone tell me if grunt is returning in this game? Thanks.

carefull now otherwise the same whiney posters will demand that should be free also


i personally wouldnt mind like a prothean expansion involving ilos and the construction of the science facility there

Oh god no, Ilos was dreadfully boring... More Noveria in my opinion, can't go wrong with some corporate intrigue

[Yuoaman]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I would think my Premium Cake should come with sprinkles and icing, not an extra piece of cake - the cake itself should have enough of that to go around.

"From Ashes" is not an extra piece of cake. It's the icing.

The cake is still cake without it.

I don't know, in my mind "icing" would be alternate appearances and stuff that doesn't give me a differen't game experience.

[Wulfram]

Goth Skunk wrote...

"From Ashes" is not an extra piece of cake. It's the icing.

The cake is still cake without it.

Must... resist... Portal... reference