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[nitefyre410]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Azure33 wrote...
Agreed. This whole situation is just a cynical ploy to leverage ten more dollars out of their customers. It shows a disrespect for their fans and I would rather spend my money with a gaming company that does not try to monetize content in such a ham fisted and manipulative way.

Bingo.  Ham fisted is a good way of describing it, because this ploy didn't even pass the straight face test.

They're trying to get people to pay extra for what they otherwise would have gotten at the normal price.  That's cut content DLC and it's an abhorrent business practice.

Important parts of the game should not be held ransom on launch just to soak a few more bucks out of people.

Almost every counter-argument to this either wilfully misrepresents the argument or ignores it in favor of some other straw man.

[N7Raider]

EJ107 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

This makes him wasted potential more than anything else. It's a shame they didn't just include him in the main game in an important role. 

How does this make him waisted potential?  Just because this one individual Prothean doesn't play a significant role doesn't undermine the Protheans importance as a species, not in this game or in the series as a whole.  

I haven't read the leaked script, but I assume that the Protheans do not play a large role in Mass Effect 3, and that the squadmember is the main surce of Prothean lore/input in the game. 

Why would you assume they don't play a large role?  The fact that you go to Mars for the Prothean archives shows they play a large role.  As for this individual Prothean, like you said he would've likely filled the role of information giver, that same role could be filled by some random computer.  The only difference of course would be that the information would be more personal/emotional coming from the prothean.  

[CatatonicMan]

Just had a random thought:

If they are using the mandatory certification process as their reasoning/excuse in charging for this Day 0 DLC, shouldn't all the PC versions get it for free? The PC version doesn't have a certification process, so therefore that excuse wouldn't apply to the platform.

[N7Infernox]

Maeshone wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...

Bioware states they did so to allow SE buyers to have this content be available to them just like those who pre-ordered the CE, considering this particular content was, at a time, exclusive to the Collector's Edition. As in nobody else would get it.

It was never exclusive to the CE.  As you could tell by the fact that it didn't say "exclusive".

It was also never advertised as part of the SE. Using this logic why would it be part of the SE then?

It wouldn't; it would just be given in the same manner as Zaeed.

[MissOuJ]

Leaser Resael wrote...

Look, the game went gold a few weeks ago, so until then they could have added those things I mentioned before, hell even a lot of CE owners find this Prothean DLC as a bad move on Bioware/EA's part. It's just wrong and my point is that it's clearly that Bioware's priorities weren't "making the best single player experencie they could" since a prothean, like it or not, IT IS an important piece of story content and that wasn't included in the game but MP was. If they couldn't make this DLC in time, fine, release it as they did with Shale or Zaeed.

No. You can only add stuff in until certification.

ME3 went into certification about 3 months ago, if I remember correctly. Those things take time.

So no, they couldn't just stick him in a bit over month before release.

[ArkkAngel007]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

So there are two kinds of people: those of us who believe that the squaddie DLC is cut from the game and has been on the disc for a large portion of the development cycle, and those who buy into their claim that this is just a last minute addition so there is no way that the character could have made it beofre going gold.

Well if the former is true then that means he is a fully realized character who could easily have a lot of plot importance and having to pay for that would clearly prove that Bioware are milking the audience, and nobody wants that. But on the other hand, if you believe the latter, this implies that Bioware have taken the games most interesting and important
character right next to the Reapers, and treated the character merely as side content who is a mere curiosity and not all that important to the plot. So we're either been milked or the character is not getting the full respect it deserves by been fully integrated into the games plot and frankly considering how huge the character is it shouldn't have been added into the game like just another squad mate. So either way we all lose.

He never made it onto the retail disc or into the main development cycle.  He was in concept still when the script he was relevent in was trashed and redrafted. 

But that's not for us to decide is if he is important or not, that's the writing team's job, who could have easily kept him written out, DLC or not.

Too late. We've had two whole games to build up the importance of Protheans, and obviouolsy since its DLC it won't be plot critical but you know what? This wouldn't be the first time that Bioware have kept important information as DLC. Like Liara becoming the Shadow Broker, and Loghains real motivation (Cailen was going to marry the quess of Ostagar, giving her some power over fereldan. He didn't like that, not onw bit) for doing what he did. I'm still mad about those, and if it turns out that this Prothean is equally as plot relevant as Loghains and Liaras DLCs? Well then they've lost my support.

All the information he provides is in the retail game.  Javik just provides an alternate and personal insight.  The main game still is fairly Prothean heavy, just not the overdrive that it was when there was a Prothean character involved.

Sorry you feel that way though.  Seems kind of a waste to throw out a whole plot just because a character that probably shouldn't even exist isn't involved.

[Maeshone]

N7Infernox wrote...

Maeshone wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...

Bioware states they did so to allow SE buyers to have this content be available to them just like those who pre-ordered the CE, considering this particular content was, at a time, exclusive to the Collector's Edition. As in nobody else would get it.

It was never exclusive to the CE.  As you could tell by the fact that it didn't say "exclusive".

It was also never advertised as part of the SE. Using this logic why would it be part of the SE then?

It wouldn't; it would just be given in the same manner as Zaeed.

The Cerberus Network pass was advertised from the start to be part of all editions. The prothean wasn't. Also, thank you for not insulting me

[_symphony]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
Obviously BW and EA don't think they could get away with that .  Coincidentally that's why it's important that the acknowledgment of the existence of piracy not be suppressed on this forum, the specter of piracy is one of the few things keeping any of these companies honest anymore.

The only thing the specter of piracy does is give excuses to softwave companies to screw over us, don't bring piracy on this.

[RenascentAnt1]

Michael Gamble wrote...

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

How about:

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your money. We pulled
out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best profit for EA, and we
can't wait for you all to pay for it.

Mike

Sorry, couldn't resist the edit:lol:

I pre-ordered the CE, because I've been a fan since the first ME, but this whole DLC add-on business feels like those bracelet where you can't have the whole damn bracelet until you bought lots of little beads to add to it.

Of course, after 12 months Bioware will release a GOTY edition which will have more add ons and limited edition whatsits and on it goes.

Modifié par RenascentAnt1, 24 février 2012 - 01:16 .

[Ianamus]

rainasa wrote...

execpt they are not cutting content, they are ADDING optional content. the prothean was cut during very early stages of the friggen SCRIPT, let alone development of the game. but instead of just removing him completely they gave fan the OPTION of experiencing a prothean squadmate. he now has very little if any at all involvement in the main story and is not required in anyway to fully appreicate the game. i can understand compliants about him being a protheian and even agree with them to a point, but the crying about not getting day one dlc for free is just beyond silly you in no way DESERVE that content. 

His role was changed, yes, but they could have expanded his role, changed his role in the story, or done any number of things with his character. Slapping a non-important version of him, Eden Prime, and Squadmate skins into a package and selling it for 1/6 of the game's initial price was hardly the ideal thing to happen to his character from the consumers perspective. 

I don't think that everybody deserves it for free, but I do think that Bioware handled his character, and this DLC buisness, badly. 

Modifié par EJ107, 24 février 2012 - 01:13 .

[ArkkAngel007]

CatatonicMan wrote...

Just had a random thought:

If they are using the mandatory certification process as their reasoning/excuse in charging for this Day 0 DLC, shouldn't all the PC versions get it for free? The PC version doesn't have a certification process, so therefore that excuse wouldn't apply to the platform.

How does that solve the problem?  Now the console players are getting extremely shafted. 

[blindchaos]

Wulfram wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...

Bioware states they did so to allow SE buyers to have this content be available to them just like those who pre-ordered the CE, considering this particular content was, at a time, exclusive to the Collector's Edition. As in nobody else would get it.

It was never exclusive to the CE.  As you could tell by the fact that it didn't say "exclusive".

the Squad Member was only advertised with the CE, implying that it would only be available at time of purchase with the CE.  However, you are right that it was never labled as an exclusive.  No company would make a single player character exlcusive to a limited edition.  Hence the DLC.

By not saying it was exclusive Bioware was advertising it as a future DLC for the SE not saying it would come with SE, or that is how i perceaved it in June. 

[ArkkAngel007]

EJ107 wrote...

rainasa wrote...

execpt they are not cutting content, they are ADDING optional content. the prothean was cut during very early stages of the friggen SCRIPT, let alone development of the game. but instead of just removing him completely they gave fan the OPTION of experiencing a prothean squadmate. he now has very little if any at all involvement in the main story and is not required in anyway to fully appreicate the game. i can understand compliants about him being a protheian and even agree with them to a point, but the crying about not getting day one dlc for free is just beyond silly you in no way DESERVE that content. 

His role was changed, yes, but they could have expanded his role, changed his role in the story, or done any number of things with his character. Slapping him, Eden Prime, and Squadmate skins into one package and selling it for 1/6 of the game's initial price was hardly the ideal thing to happen to his character from the consumers perspective. 

I don't think that everybody deserves it for free, but I do think that Bioware handled his character, and this DLC buisness, badly. 

 Yay! Human understands!

[rainasa]

N7Infernox wrote...

Maeshone wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...

Bioware states they did so to allow SE buyers to have this content be available to them just like those who pre-ordered the CE, considering this particular content was, at a time, exclusive to the Collector's Edition. As in nobody else would get it.

It was never exclusive to the CE.  As you could tell by the fact that it didn't say "exclusive".

It was also never advertised as part of the SE. Using this logic why would it be part of the SE then?

It wouldn't; it would just be given in the same manner as Zaeed.

Zaeed and the ceberus network was made "free" to get people to continue to buy the game new. for ME3 the codes for multiplayer do that so the made the squadmate part of the CE and as day one DLC. their buissness model has not done a 360 like you many of you people are saying it has.

Modifié par rainasa, 24 février 2012 - 01:16 .

[GuyIncognito21]

Evilelf007 wrote...
You're right in that the Prothean is cut content... but wrong in that everyone would have gotten him had there not been dlc.  His story was cut out and was not going to fit with their final script version.  He was written out of it completely.

I simply don't believe that, nor do (I imagine) any of the other people offended by this.

If it was deemed not worthy to include then it shouldn't be included at all.  The fact that they're shilling it for $10 necessarily implies that it's worth at least $10 (which, I might add, is roughly 17% of the total cost of the game).

[Descedent]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

CatatonicMan wrote...

Just had a random thought:

If they are using the mandatory certification process as their reasoning/excuse in charging for this Day 0 DLC, shouldn't all the PC versions get it for free? The PC version doesn't have a certification process, so therefore that excuse wouldn't apply to the platform.

How does that solve the problem?  Now the console players are getting extremely shafted. 

he's not solving anything obviously, only making a point

besides pc is master race anyways 

[RiouHotaru]

Descedent wrote...

Eain wrote...

I really want people to understand what's going on. I realise that there are some children around here (and with that I mean actual children and thus people inexperienced in the ways of corporations, not intended as an insult in any way) who are simply trying to defend the people who produce their favourite games, but it's up to the rest of us who are older to explain how things are going to unfold.

If we allow EA to do this to us, then there will come a time where we pay 60 dollars for a barebone launch title and then fork out another 25 to 40 dollars for Day One DLC that gives us content that's been withheld from the launch disk for no other reason than that we allowed it.

Publishers don't care for the people buying their games, they care for the wallets their money is coming from. If you do not believe that, you are fooling yourself and I mean that in the least offensive way I possibly could. We all fool ourselves every now and then, and sometimes we run into something we enjoy so much that we just want to pretend there's nothing wrong, but trust me EA's head honcho's and shareholders are laughing themselves all the way to the bank if we let them.

Draw the line.

One game, one sale.

/THREAD

now close it. lock it, throw the keys away

...Again, why is it that the "Anti-Day-1 DLC" argument always, ALWAYS comes with a slippery slope argument that implies a company will inevitably simply tear whole games into proverbial giblets?

[avmf8]

I don't even understand them pulling a steaming pile like this. I have a hard enough time justifying $60 for a game. Now they are trying to charge $70 for a game. Then they put a spin on it  saying any fan of the game would have bought the special editon anyway.

I do not want the special edition of any game the only time I have bought a special edition is if the special edition could be had for the same price as the regular version. Which is not a common thing to happen but it does happen on rare occasion. At any rate 60 dollars for a game is expensive let alone $70.

Some people mentioned other forms of entertainment and say people dont mind paying allof for those. Well I do mind I do not use other forms of entertainment as I have found them expensive. Take a movie theater I have not been in one for 10 years.

I have not had cable for 2 years now I was tired of paying just to have advertising shoved in my face. True there are DVR's and I had one but the final straw was when I was watching a movie and a advert was superimpossed over the movie. I canceleld my cable because of that. Do not even bother telling me I can do other things because I cannot.

I am already paying more for games now then I should I am not OK with game developers and publishers trying to get even more moeny out of me. Some seem to think it is only 10 bucks. Weah well it adds up.

Say I kept throwing little pebbles at you I may annoy you a bit but I would be a very small annoyance. Now lets say now its not just me but me and 100 other people doing the same thing. Then all of a sudden that is not an annoyance its painful. Which I beleive people a long time ago were killed my people just throwing small stones at them.

Which is mt point this $10 is a small stone. But is is causing other game publsishers to do the same. This is not a slippery slope argument this is what is happening today not what could or could not happen lateI already have the other 2 ME games they were already guaranteed my $60.

No kidding I played ME 1 and ME 2 with multiple characters and did every major varriation and choice in each game. Such as one game save I saved Wrex another I killed him stuff like that. I did everything from nice sheppard who is nice to look at me wrong and I will kill you sheppard to every varriation in between. There is noo need for them to try and milk more money from me.

Honestly is $60 not enough? Oh and another thing I have bought games that are just $10 Terraria anyone? Terraria sure gave me allot more enjoyment then the addes day one DLC would give me. That is just stupid day one DLC is not right. Since for it to be day one it was cleerly cut to sell later or get the game out faster.

Modifié par avmf8, 24 février 2012 - 01:16 .

[CatatonicMan]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

CatatonicMan wrote...

Just had a random thought:

If they are using the mandatory certification process as their reasoning/excuse in charging for this Day 0 DLC, shouldn't all the PC versions get it for free? The PC version doesn't have a certification process, so therefore that excuse wouldn't apply to the platform.

How does that solve the problem?  Now the console players are getting extremely shafted. 

That's not exactly unusual, to be honest.

[Leaser Resael]

MissOuJ wrote...

Leaser Resael wrote...

Look, the game went gold a few weeks ago, so until then they could have added those things I mentioned before, hell even a lot of CE owners find this Prothean DLC as a bad move on Bioware/EA's part. It's just wrong and my point is that it's clearly that Bioware's priorities weren't "making the best single player experencie they could" since a prothean, like it or not, IT IS an important piece of story content and that wasn't included in the game but MP was. If they couldn't make this DLC in time, fine, release it as they did with Shale or Zaeed.

No. You can only add stuff in until certification.

ME3 went into certification about 3 months ago, if I remember correctly. Those things take time.

So no, they couldn't just stick him in a bit over month before release.

How's adding HD textures, adding joystick support or weapon holstering any different than fixing bugs? Since, fixing bugs means things working better, adding HD textures makes things look better, adding joystick support makes the movement better (for some people, I personally prefer mouse and keyboard) and adding weapong holstering makes exploration better for some people. So again, how are this things any different? if you were talking about the prothean, fine, but they could have released him as DLC but in the same way they did with Shale or Zaeed.

[rainasa]

EJ107 wrote...

His role was changed, yes, but they could have expanded his role, changed his role in the story, or done any number of things with his character. Slapping a non-important version of him, Eden Prime, and Squadmate skins into a package and selling it for 1/6 of the game's initial price was hardly the ideal thing to happen to his character from the consumers perspective. 

I don't think that everybody deserves it for free, but I do think that Bioware handled his character, and this DLC buisness, badly. 

and I agree with that. this is pretty much a lose-lose situation for bioware, mainly because they thought it was a good idea to put it into the CE, instead of just selling it to everyone (but that would also have brought tears raining down on bsn). my main issue is with people who just think they deserve this content for free because it was released as day one DLC.

Modifié par rainasa, 24 février 2012 - 01:18 .

[GuyIncognito21]

avmf8 wrote...
Then they put a spin on it  saying any fan of the game would have bought the special editon anyway.

Yeah, I suppose this is as good a time as any to say I was put off by that little comment as well.  There is absolutely no reason to assume that "longtime fans of the series" would be interested in a bunch of little trinkets and crap that have nothing to do with the series itself.

That was a total marketing ploy, and a very poor cover for the suggestion that "we think we can get more money out of long-time fans than we can out of new arrivals, so that's what we're going to do."

[Heimdall]

I give up.

Some people are rather intent on their erroneous belief that the Prothean is ripped from the base game, that Bioware has no right to offer DLC as an incentive to buy the CE edition, or that they are somehow owed a Prothean squadmate due to an unreasonable fascination and overestimation of the Prothean species' relevance.

This thread is simply not worth the effort.

Don't be upset about paying $10 if you did not get the CE. You save $10 from those that bought the CE even after you buy the Prothean.

[phimseto]

I'm sorry...considering how much money this game is going to make, bilking an extra 10 dollars out of loyal early purchasers is pretty low class. If it was an incentive to buy new for a free code like shale or zaeed, that would be one thing, but hitting up loyal fans for something as story-substantial as a squadmate...shabby practice.

[RiouHotaru]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I just want to remind some people that gameplay and story elements should have never been included in the Collectors Edition in the first place.

Why? Because then the differences between the editions makes it seem like te Standard Edition is not complete and even though the SE has a beggining, middle and end, it has a missing element of the game that others got at launch. Its an obvoius marketing ploy. They can deny that it effects the game much or that it was part of the original game and cut later but the message that gets out there and sticks is that "you dont have everything there is to have at launch unless you pay unpressidented amounts of money on day 1 for a normal game.

How does a SE owner NOT feel like he is getting an incomplete copy of the game.

I have no problem with CE's coming with any kind of exclusive content they want as long as it is collectables and artwork and other cosmetic stuff.

The arguement about how much or "what, you can't afford $10" is irrelevant. It should be free because nobody should ever feel like the game they buy at launch day is incomplete.

If Bioware and EA had any real balls they would have just made the SE $79.99 in stores with all the content, take it r leave it. Because thats what it really comes down to. They want 80, not 70 from you at launch day. It just too much. Not because of the sheer value of $10 but for one thing that people don't seem to get here, Principle.

Again with the incomplete argument.  There's no proof whatsoever that the game is currently incomplete.  The lack of optional, I repeat, OPTIONAL content is not a sign that the game is only half-finished.