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[PSUHammer]

BobSmith101 wrote...


What an interesting person you must be to find superiorty buying a game..

There should be one version of the game on release. I don't care if I paid £300 for my CE (and I have) The game itself should be the same for everyone.

Narcissism:
In clinical psychology and psychiatry, an unrealistic, exaggerated, or rigidly held sense of entitlement may be considered a symptom of narcissistic personality disorder, seen in those who 'because of early frustrations...arrogate to
themselves the right to demand lifelong reimbursement from fate.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 24 février 2012 - 01:19 .

[Darth Krytie]

RenascentAnt1 wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

How about:

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your money. We pulled
out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best profit for EA, and we
can't wait for you all to pay for it.

Mike

Sorry, couldn't resist the edit:lol:

Honestly, what's the problem with that? They're not philanthropists or a non-profit charity. They're a business. And DLC is a fairly decent business model that makes sense with the way gaming is changing and growing. If this game didn't make money, they wouldn't be able to survive to make more games. All studios need to earn money to function.

[ArkkAngel007]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...
You're right in that the Prothean is cut content... but wrong in that everyone would have gotten him had there not been dlc.  His story was cut out and was not going to fit with their final script version.  He was written out of it completely.

I simply don't believe that, nor do (I imagine) any of the other people offended by this.

If it was deemed not worthy to include then it shouldn't be included at all.  The fact that they're shilling it for $10 necessarily implies that it's worth at least $10 (which, I might add, is roughly 17% of the total cost of the game).

Then you are being blind because the evidence has been stated again and again, including those like me who are a bit offended, mostly about the price, that it was not cut from the main game during development.

I agree though that it shouldn't have been brought back into play after things didn't work in the first place.  At least not in this way.

[CerberusSoldier]

CatatonicMan wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

CatatonicMan wrote...

Just had a random thought:

If they are using the mandatory certification process as their reasoning/excuse in charging for this Day 0 DLC, shouldn't all the PC versions get it for free? The PC version doesn't have a certification process, so therefore that excuse wouldn't apply to the platform.

How does that solve the problem?  Now the console players are getting extremely shafted. 

That's not exactly unusual, to be honest.

   



I tell you this if EA ever does give PC players free dlc they better give us consoles players free dlc its simple as that . us console players on the 360 made this franchise with out us there would be no Mass Effect franchise with Mass Effect 1 .

[pavi132]

It seems that one of two things happened.
1) Bioware finished the game and completed this DLC in the time during certification as additional content, in which case people think this DLC is just an extra piece of cool content. They believe that Bioware's statements are truthful and trustworthy.

2) Bioware had this DLC planned much earlier and specifically chose to withhold it from the main game, in which case most people are upset because they feel that something that should have been included has been removed as indicated by the leaked script.

Personally, I believe it's number two purely because of what I've heard about the script, although I didn't read it. In either case, there is no real way for us to know, but understand that a large part of the reason for all the arguments between people here isn't so much about right vs. wrong but about one perspective about this sequence of events versus another. Don't make assumptions about another's morality based on their statements but understand the perspective with which they are looking at this.

[Evilelf007]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...
You're right in that the Prothean is cut content... but wrong in that everyone would have gotten him had there not been dlc.  His story was cut out and was not going to fit with their final script version.  He was written out of it completely.

I simply don't believe that, nor do (I imagine) any of the other people offended by this.

If it was deemed not worthy to include then it shouldn't be included at all.  The fact that they're shilling it for $10 necessarily implies that it's worth at least $10 (which, I might add, is roughly 17% of the total cost of the game).

What it's worth is debatable... but I doubt it's actually worth $10.  They think they can get $10 for that and make a profit, that would make me guess that it's only worth about $7.  Thay are in this to make money remember.

Which is besides the point.

If you don't want to believe what Bioware has flat out stated publicly, then you are of the belief that they are flat out liars and are out only to rip people off plain and simple, and thus this discussion is worthless as I for one happen to take them for their word.

What they explained is a common thing in everything from books to movies.  This being a story heavy game, it is also subject to draft changes from conception to final draft.  Characters are often key players in early drafts only to be cut completely by the end product.

I don't see how that is such a hard thing to believe.

[Maeshone]

To everyone deriding bioware for this. The extra character has been known to be part of the collectors edition since July. Why haven't you kicked up this ****storm before, y'know, back when you could actually influence the design decisions of this game?

[TwwlX]

CatatonicMan wrote...

Just had a random thought:

If they are using the mandatory certification process as their reasoning/excuse in charging for this Day 0 DLC, shouldn't all the PC versions get it for free? The PC version doesn't have a certification process, so therefore that excuse wouldn't apply to the platform.

I am sure that they have BS excuse for that too. I wouldn't expect a response though.

[Ianamus]

rainasa wrote...

and I agree with that. this is pretty much a lose-lose situation for bioware, mainly because they thought it was a good idea to put it into the CE, instead of just selling it to everyone (but that would also have brought tears raining down on bsn). my main issue is with people who just think they deserve this content because it was released as day one DLC.

I see where your comming from, and I agree that demanding the DLC be given for free at this stage is unrealistic, especially when it contains other content as well as the Prothean. That said, I think that main reason people are angry is that instead of placing the Prothean companion, which a lot of writing and time was spent on, in the game- they offer a watered-down version of him at an extra cost alongside the game as, esentially, a marketing ploy, and I think that is a reasonable complaint. 

I know that complaining now is unlikely to change things, but hopefully it will make them more careful about these kind of things in the future. 

Modifié par EJ107, 24 février 2012 - 01:23 .

[N7Infernox]

Maeshone wrote...

To everyone deriding bioware for this. The extra character has been known to be part of the collectors edition since July. Why haven't you kicked up this ****storm before, y'know, back when you could actually influence the design decisions of this game?

Does the answer to that question even matter now? 

[TheStoner]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I just want to remind some people that gameplay and story elements should have never been included in the Collectors Edition in the first place.

Why? Because then the differences between the editions makes it seem like te Standard Edition is not complete and even though the SE has a beggining, middle and end, it has a missing element of the game that others got at launch. Its an obvoius marketing ploy. They can deny that it effects the game much or that it was part of the original game and cut later but the message that gets out there and sticks is that "you dont have everything there is to have at launch unless you pay unpressidented amounts of money on day 1 for a normal game.

How does a SE owner NOT feel like he is getting an incomplete copy of the game.

I have no problem with CE's coming with any kind of exclusive content they want as long as it is collectables and artwork and other cosmetic stuff.

The arguement about how much or "what, you can't afford $10" is irrelevant. It should be free because nobody should ever feel like the game they buy at launch day is incomplete.

If Bioware and EA had any real balls they would have just made the SE $79.99 in stores with all the content, take it r leave it. Because thats what it really comes down to. They want 80, not 70 from you at launch day. It just too much. Not because of the sheer value of $10 but for one thing that people don't seem to get here, Principle.

Again with the incomplete argument.  There's no proof whatsoever that the game is currently incomplete.  The lack of optional, I repeat, OPTIONAL content is not a sign that the game is only half-finished.

Can't most content be considered optional? Yet I bet if the game only had 2 squadmates you would consider it incomplete.

[gabe2gg]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Eain wrote...

I really want people to understand what's going on. I realise that there are some children around here (and with that I mean actual children and thus people inexperienced in the ways of corporations, not intended as an insult in any way) who are simply trying to defend the people who produce their favourite games, but it's up to the rest of us who are older to explain how things are going to unfold.

If we allow EA to do this to us, then there will come a time where we pay 60 dollars for a barebone launch title and then fork out another 25 to 40 dollars for Day One DLC that gives us content that's been withheld from the launch disk for no other reason than that we allowed it.

Publishers don't care for the people buying their games, they care for the wallets their money is coming from. If you do not believe that, you are fooling yourself and I mean that in the least offensive way I possibly could. We all fool ourselves every now and then, and sometimes we run into something we enjoy so much that we just want to pretend there's nothing wrong, but trust me EA's head honcho's and shareholders are laughing themselves all the way to the bank if we let them.

Draw the line.

One game, one sale.

/THREAD

now close it. lock it, throw the keys away

...Again, why is it that the "Anti-Day-1 DLC" argument always, ALWAYS comes with a slippery slope argument that implies a company will inevitably simply tear whole games into proverbial giblets?

Have you not been watching the gaming industry for a while now? We went from 30-40 very content filled exansion packs to charging 5-20 dollars for weapons/armor/skins that could easily be patched into a game. Wasn't EA the first one to come out with this online pass nonsense?

[nitefyre410]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

avmf8 wrote...
Then they put a spin on it  saying any fan of the game would have bought the special editon anyway.

Yeah, I suppose this is as good a time as any to say I was put off by that little comment as well.  There is absolutely no reason to assume that "longtime fans of the series" would be interested in a bunch of little trinkets and crap that have nothing to do with the series itself.

That was a total marketing ploy, and a very poor cover for the suggestion that "we think we can get more money out of long-time fans than we can out of new arrivals, so that's what we're going to do."

 

I'm glad I'm  not the only that saw throught the bull**** and then said this

WTF 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 24 février 2012 - 01:24 .

[mogonk]

TwwlX wrote...

CatatonicMan wrote...

Just had a random thought:

If they are using the mandatory certification process as their reasoning/excuse in charging for this Day 0 DLC, shouldn't all the PC versions get it for free? The PC version doesn't have a certification process, so therefore that excuse wouldn't apply to the platform.

I am sure that they have BS excuse for that too. I wouldn't expect a response though.

Because they can get away with charging for it.

The entire premise of their behavior is that it doesn't matter what we think, they'll make money.  So **** us.

[GuyIncognito21]

RiouHotaru wrote...
Again with the incomplete argument.  There's no proof whatsoever that the game is currently incomplete.  The lack of optional, I repeat, OPTIONAL content is not a sign that the game is only half-finished.

You can say it all you want, but just by calling something "optional" they can't legitimately expect people to pay extra for it.

"Optional" is in the eye of the beholder.  As I've said so many times, shipping Madden 13 with only 31 teams (and an optional 32nd teamf or $10) would be an unscrupulous money grab.

The protheans by their very nature (especially being alive) are integral to the game.  In my opinion, and that of many others, BW intentionally withholding that part of the game on launch day and asking people to shell out more for it is releasing an incomplete game and charging us more to complete it.

[Maeshone]

N7Infernox wrote...

Maeshone wrote...

To everyone deriding bioware for this. The extra character has been known to be part of the collectors edition since July. Why haven't you kicked up this ****storm before, y'know, back when you could actually influence the design decisions of this game?

Does the answer to that question even matter now? 

It's more the psychologist in me being curios about this reaction, I guess I can't help myself

[PSUHammer]

Maeshone wrote...

To everyone deriding bioware for this. The extra character has been known to be part of the collectors edition since July. Why haven't you kicked up this ****storm before, y'know, back when you could actually influence the design decisions of this game?

Because a certain small section of the Internet are belligerent whiners devoid of any sense of reason or logic.

I ordered the CE in advance (and paid extra for it) with the understanding I would be receiving said Character as part of my game.  Why a certain portion of the population thinks they should be entitled to this for free is beyond me.

"Because it SHOULD be part of the game."  What?  That is the stupidest entitlement bullsh*t I have ever heard.  Way to remove logic from your world.  This argument that "Protheans are an important part of the story so this character needs to be free" is an absolute argumentative fallacy.  There is absolutely no proof that this DLC character would create a hole in the base story if they were not present.

Why would they diminish the value of all the CEs that people preordered?

People pay extra for things every freaking day.  When you buy a car, there are packages and options that are available in higher trim levels.  You have to PAY extra for them.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 24 février 2012 - 01:29 .

[I can Hackett]

Really? You guys are crying cuz you didnt buy the CE and now have to pay 10 dollars for optional dlc.... sigh

[MissOuJ]

Leaser Resael wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

Leaser Resael wrote...

Look, the game went gold a few weeks ago, so until then they could have added those things I mentioned before, hell even a lot of CE owners find this Prothean DLC as a bad move on Bioware/EA's part. It's just wrong and my point is that it's clearly that Bioware's priorities weren't "making the best single player experencie they could" since a prothean, like it or not, IT IS an important piece of story content and that wasn't included in the game but MP was. If they couldn't make this DLC in time, fine, release it as they did with Shale or Zaeed.

No. You can only add stuff in until certification.

ME3 went into certification about 3 months ago, if I remember correctly. Those things take time.

So no, they couldn't just stick him in a bit over month before release.

How's adding HD textures, adding joystick support or weapon holstering any different than fixing bugs? Since, fixing bugs means things working better, adding HD textures makes things look better, adding joystick support makes the movement better (for some people, I personally prefer mouse and keyboard) and adding weapong holstering makes exploration better for some people. So again, how are this things any different? if you were talking about the prothean, fine, but they could have released him as DLC but in the same way they did with Shale or Zaeed.

I don't know, they probably aren't - but they certainly are different from adding an entirely new character.

I wound't really have a problem with Shale/Zaeed -style "people who buy new get it for free, everybody else pay extra" kind of thing. That would've been fine.

But what happened was: he was advertised as being part of the CE, with a bunch of other in-game content, some of it exclusive. I wanted that (plus the soundtrack) so I forked €20 extra, and am paying €90 for the CE at the moment.

Now people want him for free and tell me I only paid for the extra apearance packs/robo-dog/litography/comics/whatever, which is not why I forked that extra €20 for the CE. So from my POV, people are claiming they should get for free something I'm paying for, and that's not cool.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 24 février 2012 - 01:25 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Maeshone wrote...

To everyone deriding bioware for this. The extra character has been known to be part of the collectors edition since July. Why haven't you kicked up this ****storm before, y'know, back when you could actually influence the design decisions of this game?

Some people did, but they thought it was another Cerberus Network thing and cooled down.  It was also not official information that was well-known to the general public.  There was a brief leak when the CE information came up that revealed the content of the additional game content, and then was removed.  Not everyone has been closely following the game either to catch everything that is going on.

[pavi132]

CatatonicMan wrote...

Just had a random thought:

If they are using the mandatory certification process as their reasoning/excuse in charging for this Day 0 DLC, shouldn't all the PC versions get it for free? The PC version doesn't have a certification process, so therefore that excuse wouldn't apply to the platform.

If I remember correctly, that is what Valve did with some of their L4D DLC. Free on PC but Xbox had to pay due to Microsoft's certification process. EA and Bioware want to make some easy cash is all. Valve>>>EA in terms of how they treat their customers in my opinion.

[Wulfram]

Maeshone wrote...

It was also never advertised as part of the SE. Using this logic why would it be part of the SE then?

I never expected it to be part of the SE from when it was announced.  What they did with Sebastian in DA2 showed pretty well the direction they were travelling in - and it wasn't in the direction of being more generous to their fans.

I'm just saying the bit about them releasing it to everyone because the CE is sold out is nonsense.  They always planned to sell it as seperate DLC, that's obvious.

[RiouHotaru]

avmf8 wrote...

I don't even understand them pulling a steaming pile like this. I have a hard enough time justifying $60 for a game. Now they are trying to charge $70 for a game. Then they put a spin on it  saying any fan of the game would have bought the special editon anyway.

I do not want the special edition of any game the only time I have bought a special edition is if the special edition could be had for the same price as the regular version. Which is not a common thing to happen but it does happen on rare occasion. At any rate 60 dollars for a game is expensive let alone $70.

Some people mentioned other forms of entertainment and say people dont mind paying allof for those. Well I do mind I do not use other forms of entertainment as I have found them expensive. Take a movie theater I have not been in one for 10 years.

I have not had cable for 2 years now I was tired of paying just to have advertising shoved in my face. True there are DVR's and I had one but the final straw was when I was watching a movie and a advert was superimpossed over the movie. I canceleld my cable because of that. Do not even bother telling me I can do other things because I cannot.

I am already paying more for games now then I should I am not OK with game developers and publishers trying to get even more moeny out of me. Some seem to think it is only 10 bucks. Weah well it adds up.

Say I kept throwing little pebbles at you I may annoy you a bit but I would be a very small annoyance. Now lets say now its not just me but me and 100 other people doing the same thing. Then all of a sudden that is not an annoyance its painful. Which I beleive people a long time ago were killed my people just throwing small stones at them.

Which is mt point this $10 is a small stone. But is is causing other game publsishers to do the same. This is not a slippery slope argument this is what is happening today not what could or could not happen lateI already have the other 2 ME games they were already guaranteed my $60.

No kidding I played ME 1 and ME 2 with multiple characters and did every major varriation and choice in each game. Such as one game save I saved Wrex another I killed him stuff like that. I did everything from nice sheppard who is nice to look at me wrong and I will kill you sheppard to every varriation in between. There is noo need for them to try and milk more money from me.

Honestly is $60 not enough? Oh and another thing I have bought games that are just $10 Terraria anyone? Terraria sure gave me allot more enjoyment then the addes day one DLC would give me. That is just stupid day one DLC is not right. Since for it to be day one it was cleerly cut to sell later or get the game out faster.

But they aren't charging $70, they're only charging $60.  You're not in any way obligated to buy the DLC.  It's available on release yes.  But are you pressured into purchasing it?  Is there a time limit on it's availability?  Of course not!  If the fact it's released on day 1 bothers, you, wait a few weeks or a month and then purchase it.  Or don't purchase it at all.

[N7Infernox]

Maeshone wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

Maeshone wrote...

To everyone deriding bioware for this. The extra character has been known to be part of the collectors edition since July. Why haven't you kicked up this ****storm before, y'know, back when you could actually influence the design decisions of this game?

Does the answer to that question even matter now? 

It's more the psychologist in me being curios about this reaction, I guess I can't help myself

haha This thread brings out all kinds of weird things, doesn't it?