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[rumbalumba]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

So...the argument is that because he is a Prothean, he is de facto important and integral to the game and the narrative because the fans decide he is, even if he isn't? And that content made by a separate team and completed later, sold in a more expensive edition, should be free day 1 to everyone else?

Time to leave fantasy land.

LOL you bought that? 

now i see why you deserve to pay $20 more for this content.

[redsox95MB]

Here is my opinion on the matter. First off I would like to say that I preorder the CE. However, it upsets me that a prothean is a DLC character. If he is anything like the ME2 DLC characters, he'll be really shallow and only provide insight into certain things. A character of such significance shouldn't be sidelined like that.
I am also angry at all the whiners stating that, since it's a prothean, it should be given to them for free. OH PLEASE. What about me? I payed extra for the CE, why you should you be entitled to it for free? Just because you view it as "important" doesn't mean it should be given to you. I wouldn't care if it was a damned reaper squadmate, if I payed extra for it, so should you.

We should all be united against Bioware because they sidelined a character that has such great potential, not ****ing because we aren't being given it for free.

Modifié par redsox95MB, 23 février 2012 - 12:10 .

[Sidac]

Dionkey wrote...

]IT WAS MADE LONG BEFORE THE GAME WAS DEVELOPERED AND INCLUDES A FAIRLY MAJOR SQUAD MATE AS CONTENT, IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE GAME!  It should have never been day-1 DLC. If this was released in May, June, July, etc. FINE, they obviously released it later for a reason, and I highly doubt they're going to create it during development, only to hold it for a while to cretate the illusion of work.

As I've said a million times, paid DLC is for adding on what is made POST-DEVELOPMENT. Not what was planned, what was made in the last few weeks, or what you want to pretend it was for. POST-DEVELOPMENT ONLY. NO EXCEPTIONS.

you sir need to read the 1st post again...

" The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after
the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main
game went into certification."

[LinksOcarina]

packardbell wrote...

No, as I said before I don't care about CE's. Instead of adding in-game content for incentives to purchase the CE, just add actual physical content to they wouldn't get upset.

Oh, I agree with that.

Although I must admit the reason why I preorded the game was for the bonus mission and character. To be frank it was the draw for me because I have seen this, for three games prior now, something Bioware has decided to do.

To each their own I guess, I would still have pre-ordered it anyway since I am a game collector to begin with, but I can see that point being made.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 23 février 2012 - 12:10 .

[DJBare]

Hammer6767 wrote...

So, for all the distrust and hate for Bioware here, I am assuming you folks won't be buying/playing ME3 and will move on to something more productive with your lives?

Not me, I just won't be purchasing future products until this practice is changed to something more favorable to the customer.

[RiouHotaru]

It's a no-win situation for Bioware now, regardless:

Either:

A) The Prothean won't do what people want him to do (HE'S THE ANSWER TO ALL OUR QUESTIONS) in which case people will say Bioware trampled the lore by not making him important enough.

or

He'll contribute to the lore, but NOT to the plot, in which case people will whine that he was DLC.

I feel sorry for Bioware.

[Draconis6666]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

2. "From Ashes" is not a major plot point[/b]: messed up, because a living, breathing prothean not being major to the plot just feels soo wrong in this universe that this would be even more stupid than the alternative (being it is a major plot point dlc), because it destroys the entire lore of the game

How? Explain this with something other than "because hes a prothean so he has to be" or "protheans are key to everything!" The plot of the game is the war against the reapers not the extinction of the protheans from 50.000 years ago. If this were still ME 1 then a Prothean would be of arguably more importance. At the point the plot has progressed now however a Prothean adds nothing to the plot simply because hes a prothean. Even knowing HOW the reapers wiped out the protheans in expilict detail is of neglitable importance because the races of the galaxy now are NOT the protheans and will not be approached the same way unless your saying that the Reapers are morons who do everything the exact same way every time and ignore any difference in situationst hat give different advantages.

He survived the last purge, how is that not important.

Because its not... the protheans still lost, and if he survived its likely because he wasnt there for the fighting, so hes unlikely to offer any insight to WHY they lost, or how they lost or how to do things differently.

[N7Infernox]

Bluumberry wrote...

People are taking this way too seriously.

Hardly.
We live in tough times.
Money is everything.
#notsohaiku

[Daywalker315]

JosephCurwen wrote...

I love how most of the people taking Bioware's side in this aren't actually focusing on trying to justify what Bioware have done, but just sort of revelling in the fact that the game will sell a lot of copies regardless.

1) Everybody realizes this.
2) You won't share in the profits.
3) More publishers will try this, leading to everyone getting less value from their gaming money. Including you guys.

I literally cannot understand the mentality of the people defending this. It goes beyond simple disagreement (unless you're just blindly cheering for your favourite game making "team", in which case I do understand it, but its stupid). Even if you've got the CE (Complete Edition), what will you think when another game comes out under similar circumstances and you don't? Will you only buy premium CEs for all games from now on? I honestly don't understand why people would endorse this kind of move.

I don't care about CE's for other games right now. I care about THIS one. I paid extra and the bonus character was promised to CE owners. It was marketed as a bonus to CE buyers and standard buyers shouldn't get it for free. I don't buy DLC for many games, so I'll worry about it the next time I have to. If I want that DLC, I'll get it. If it seems overpriced or not worth it, I won't get it. I certainly won't go making YouTube videos and boycotting the company because I had to pay $10 for content that was a bonus to CE buyers.

[Soundsystem]

People who bought the CE, like myself, are paying an extra $20 for our content. So why should this DLC not cost money?

[cyric085]

I agree.

couldn't care less if its some random thief, faceless merc or onehit weapons as day 1 DLC, but such an important char and species is unacceptable.

Protheans are the reason we have this whole Mass Effect Series anyway and you really consider to make your supporters and fans pay for their story?

be carefull what you do Bioware or you will end like Westwood.

[Coldburn]

Dionkey wrote...

Texaboose wrote...

elessarz wrote...

I suppose I and many others must not be big enough fans of Mass Effect to deserve to have this DLC on the basic disk. This move did not fly with either Dragon Age: Origins or Dragon Age 2 and it certainly doesn't hold up now. Tread carefully, Bioware. I may just have to take my patronage elsewhere.

Go ahead. I support Indy developers as much as anyway (Minecraft ftw).

However, I've yet to find an indy game with the same RPG depth of any Bioware game. Let me know if you find one.

*whispers* The Witcher 2.

Seriosuly, you should play it. Best game in 2011.

And 
CD Projekt RED is actually making waaaaay better RPG's than bioware.. just saying..

[RiouHotaru]

Sidac wrote...

you sir need to read the 1st post again...

" The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after
the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main
game went into certification."

Sadly, everyone is claiming it's a baldfaced-lie.

[Xenogias]

Yuoaman wrote...

Xenogias wrote...

I would also like to point out to everyone saying "he better impact the story!". Who's to say its the ONLY prothean in ME3. Even if he is who is to say the main game itself doesnt play out his huge part even without the DLC. Maybe the DLC is just a couple added quests to get him to join. Once he joins he is just like every other DLC character from ME2. Lets face it, the DLC characters are nice to have but if his big impact is played out in the regular version of the game that argument is worthless.

Again, I'm not getting ME3. But I'm not looking for excuses to make people see it my way.

He is the only Prothean.

I hope people who dont buy the DLC get to see his impact then in some way. Because there is no way possible Bioware could spin it if he doesnt have an impact. If he is Prothean (confirmed) and its just "hey here is a prothean that is meaningless to the game overall" that could go down as one of the worst, most pathetic money grabs in gaming history.

I would actually love to see these forums of raged fans that they added a Prothean that had no impact on the main story. Think you made some of us mad over day1 DLC? Wait and see the Sheetstorm you get by screwing with the lore that badly.

[Wulfram]

Hammer6767 wrote...

So, for all the distrust and hate for Bioware here, I am assuming you folks won't be buying/playing ME3 and will move on to something more productive with your lives?

I'll be buying ME3 eventually.  But only when it gets down to a price which I consider reflects the absence of a major piece of content.

In practical terms, I'll likely wait until christmas unless there's a very good offer going.

[HighFlyingDwarf]

TotalBiscuit sums up the mood of the internet up pretty well, if you haven't seen his video yet you should

[WeWant]

I'll finally keep my money for Max Payne 3.

[rumbalumba]

Daywalker315 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

Sleek wrote...

I wish EA would just try on there next release with NO DLC ,Zero pre order bonus and see how much happier the fans would be how much less of a headache it would be for Bioware.

and instead put all the content they developed inside a $60 COMPLETE game with no shenanigans? you mean, doing what is completely normal to do for the past 30 years of gaming?

People would just complain that there were no pre-order bonuses and they didn't get enough content. They'd say they didn't get anything extra for pre-ordering and that BW doesn't care about their loyal fans. This is the BSN. There is no such thing as happiness here.

HA. why would people complain if there is no pre-order incentive but will instead get a COMPLETE game? no one complained the past 30 years of "pre-order bonuses". people pre-order because of content being taken away, not content being added. big difference.

[Wildhide]

I think TotalBiscuit sums up my opinion on this decision rather nicely.



Too Long Didn't Watch:

DLC is okay, DLC that has characters that are major parts of the universe and lore are horrible attempts to just grab money off of fans.  He's generally utterly opposed to any DLC that's full content created before the game's release.   That content is completed and there.   It's rather disgraceful.

I've been a fan of Bioware since Baldur's Gate.  And I love your company, but between this and the Origin issues I won't be a customer of your studio anymore.  Thank you for the fun, but your more recent actions under EA have left me in a position that I no longer wish to support you and your IPs.

[nevar00]

The way I see it, there are really only two outcomes here:

1. As the team has commented, the Prothean is not an integral part of the story and adds such little to the lore and plot of the game that releasing it for day 1 DLC is justified. If this is the case, then I would question the writers and game designers who thought that making a living Prothean non-essential to the whole game's experience was the right decision to make.

2. The Prothean adds a substantial amount to the lore, plot, and game, even if the game can still be beaten without the character (think ME1 without Wrex or ME2 without Legion). In this case it's ridiculous to sell a piece of the unfinished product for extra money.

Either way I can't see Bioware and EA coming out of this looking good.

[Atakuma]

RiouHotaru wrote...

It's a no-win situation for Bioware now, regardless:

Either:

A) The Prothean won't do what people want him to do (HE'S THE ANSWER TO ALL OUR QUESTIONS) in which case people will say Bioware trampled the lore by not making him important enough.

or

He'll contribute to the lore, but NOT to the plot, in which case people will whine that he was DLC.

I feel sorry for Bioware.

This is their fault, I don't see any reason to feel sorry for them.

[El Ejcovero]

saturos2 wrote...

How come everytime bioware "addresses" issues, they descend into chaos?

They are stupid? The discussion was nice and civilized before they locked the thread where the fire was burning, now they started their own thread, people who weren't involved are involved now, and they made the passions fly freely...

[Tazzmission]

Soundsystem wrote...

People who bought the CE, like myself, are paying an extra $20 for our content. So why should this DLC not cost money?

glad to see someone else say the same thing i said lastnight


cheers buddy!