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[blindchaos]

This is mostly a joke, so I hope it doesn't ****** anyone off, but if you mostly just want to see the Prothean's story, and get background info, if the lore is the most vital part for you...just wait a day after release and check youtube. Gamers are crazy and make videos of everything....*EDI Voice* this is a joke

[GnusmasTHX]

mrbauxjangles wrote...

I can Hackett wrote...

Really? You guys are crying cuz you didnt buy the CE and now have to pay 10 dollars for optional dlc.... sigh

It is not about money and it is not about the CE. It is the fact that the squadmate is a major thing is the mass effect plot. ITS A GOD DAMN PROTHEAN. If the squadmate was just another zaeed then we would not care but you cannot put something this major into the game and tell people to pay more for it.

He's not a major thing to the plot at all.

[Aaleel]

Draconis6666 wrote...

CatatonicMan wrote...

Just had a random thought:

If they are using the mandatory certification process as their reasoning/excuse in charging for this Day 0 DLC, shouldn't all the PC versions get it for free? The PC version doesn't have a certification process, so therefore that excuse wouldn't apply to the platform.

You think PC games dont go through certification? Every game goes through certification before the final build is approved and the game goes Gold its not exclusive to console games.

Games on PC don't get charged the $10 fee that games on console do.

[BTCentral]

Gaiden96 wrote...

 CE owners-to-be, in my country at least, pay 90€ for the CE. SE's go for 70€. 

Nobody complained about this before, knowing full well this particular content came with the CE.

Some of us (those who pre-ordered the CE way back), did so knowing we would be spending more money on it, not just for the collectibles, for the extra content as well. We took a leap of faith, as it were, because we knew we would be satisfied with the product from the get-go.

People assume said squad-mate will be made available to all at some point.

Bioware reveals said content was a Prothean squad-mate, which then leads many people who did not pre-order
the CE to say it's unfair because (they claim) it was held back on purpose to "milk" their clients, considering non-
CE buyers have to pay an extra 10€/£/$ if they want the DLC.

A fair point, in my opinion, considering people should be concerned on how they spend their money.

Bioware states they did so to allow SE buyers to have this content be available to them just like those who pre-ordered the CE, considering this particular content was, at a time, exclusive to the Collector's Edition. As in nobody else would get it.

People claim they are lying and purposely held content back to make more money.


Now consider this, we CE buyers, are spending 20, in some places 30, more of whatever currency we have to deal with for this.

Consider also that this content is non-essential to the story in Mass Effect 3, and adds nothing (or removes in this case) of the story.

Take that as you will.
/rant

If someone replies, I am going to sleep and will check back tommorow.

+1 as someone who paid 27 GBP more for the Collector's Edition, I expected the Collector's Edition to contain enough content for me to consider it a reasonable deal. Part of the content I took into consideration in the price, was the DLC included.

I think something that a lot of people in places like this forget is that BioWare/EA are a business. They don't make these games out of the goodness of their hearts and give them away for free, they are in it to make profit.

Day one DLC is common place now, and yet with every new game that contains it, people still complain. Look at practically every other AAA title released with in what, the last 1, 2 years? Maybe even longer than that?

For some "hardcore" fans of the series, I think that yes, the fact that it is a Prothean squadmate is a deal breaker - however it would not surprise if a lot of people in general (not necessarily on the BSN) are simply wanting something for nothing. As previously mentioned in other posts in the topic, if you'd done your research you could have found out that a Prothean squadmate was included in the SE long before this DLC was leaked.

In addition, if you were such a "hardcore" fan, I would suspect most people would have purchased the CE in the first place - provided it was financially viable.

Personally, if I had not pre-ordered the CE I would have no problem paying for all the content contained in the From Ashes DLC, knowing that I could have had it "included" in the game if I had purchased the CE.

It's not like BioWare ever hid the fact that an extra character was going to be included with the CE.

On a side note, BioWare/EA are already giving away day one DLC for free. You can get Armour and a weapon by playing the Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning demo - quite possibly the worst RPG I have ever played, ever, but that's another topic altogether.

Having said all that, if you do not like the way things are done, then I would suggest that you simply "vote with your wallet" and hope that enough people do so that companies such as EA have to take notice.

Modifié par BTCentral, 24 février 2012 - 01:46 .

[Aaleel]

Dexter111 wrote...

lol, that actually made me laugh

[KBomb]

Maeshone wrote...

To everyone deriding bioware for this. The extra character has been known to be part of the collectors edition since July. Why haven't you kicked up this ****storm before, y'know, back when you could actually influence the design decisions of this game?

 
Good question for those who are complaining about the CE having a character and mission added. For those who are upset over the fact the Day One DLC is a prothean. Who knows. Maybe because they believed Bioware when they denied a prothean was the character and said it was just a typo.

[gabe2gg]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

mrbauxjangles wrote...

It is not about money and it is not about the CE. It is the fact that the squadmate is a major thing is the mass effect plot. ITS A GOD DAMN PROTHEAN. If the squadmate was just another zaeed then we would not care but you cannot put something this major into the game and tell people to pay more for it.

Despite being a Prothean he is not really that important to the plot.

Source?


?

[GuyIncognito21]

Evilelf007 wrote...
Just because you FEEL something is integral to the game doesn't mean it really is.  You feel the character is integral because of his species alone.  That alone actually means nothing since the Galactic war is already in full swing.  The Protheans were integral to discovering about the reapers in the first place.  Guess what... discovery is over.  The Reapers are here.  The Prothean role is all but over.

Obviously the prothean role isn't over, that's the entire point.  And the fact that I "feel" something is integral is why I "say" it's integral, obviously.

And since my feelings are the ones that determine whether BW gets my money, I think my feelings are relevant to the issue.

Having never even had an actual living Prothean at all in the game up to this point kind of proves how uneeded a living Prothean really is.

Had Bioware never had a Prothean character, I doubt you'd have ever been up in arms about not having such an "integral" character in the first place.  You want the character for the same reason I do... just the cool factor of it.

That doesn't make sense.  Had they never added a prothean, it would be assumed that it wasn't integral.  The fact that they DID add one and are demanding 17% of the total game cost for it suggests the exact opposite.

Just because the Emperor never showed up in the first Star Wars doesn't prove how unneeded that character was.  That's a very strange argument to make.

[rainasa]

RiouHotaru wrote...



"Conception" of what a completed game is?  They basically flat out stated the process by which they went about making the DLC, proving it wasn't "cut from the game, delayed, and then sold back".  The question YOU are trying to ask is a loaded one, and a false dichotomy.  You only provide for two possible outcomes, both of which only serve to justify your argument.

If the content could have existed, then you'll argue they shouldn't charge for it or "include it in the main game" (despite the fact doing so was patently impossible)

If the content couldn't have exist, you'll go "Then you should've just scrapped it."

You've basically set up a no-win situation with a trick question whose answers only ever benefit you, without considering possibilities.

how dare you good sir! you should feel ashamed for bringing in logic into this battle of emotion!!!

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Dexter111 wrote...

You know what makes me even more sad than the kind of business practices Bioware has chosen to take part in?
That there are actually so many people falling for and accepting their explanation. I could even accept if some people would just simply say "I don't care that they're ripping me off, I'm going to get it anyway", but this mass delusion is seriously something else.

Those "DLCs" are being set into stone very early in the project management cycle, not only the "Day1-DLC" ones, but even the ones that are set to release 1 or 2 months after Release, they're making a product plan detailing the release schedule and every piece of content, including when they announce it and when it is going to get released, anything other than minor things like "extra skins" are planned out well ahead of release.

Story and dialogues around those DLCs are being written and recorded at the same time as the rest of the content, it would (fiscally) not make very much sense to have to go back into the studio and hire all the (high-profile, high-cost) voice actors back for a few extra sentences. Examples for this with Mass Effect 3 are also rather obvious seeing as said character is all over the leaked script and as people already mentioned they announced him like 7 months or so ago without giving any details, there was also concept art and sound bits a long time ago.

Why they're constantly repeated that it is a "different team" working on it I don't know... yes there are a lot of different teams working on a lot of different aspects of the games (and different areas) at any given time during the development of such a game, you're not going to find 100+ people all working together on something.

In regards to the people saying that they only do DLC after the game has "gone gold", THINK about it... they announced they achieved gold status and are ready for pressing on 13.02: http://www.strategyi...dy-for-pressing , the full DLC leaked on Xbox Live on 20.02: http://kotaku.com/58...oils-plot-point , do you REALLY think that they did all the work on this in one week, I mean REALLY?

What's happening here is big companies that have noticed they can monetize certain parts of their games better and are becoming ever so more brazen in their attempts to do so, at least a few people in the industry like Kotick are outright saying it:

In the last cycle of videogames you spent $50 on a game, played it and took it back to the shop for credit. Today, we’ll (charge) $100 for a guitar. You might add a microphone or drums; you might buy two or three expansions packs, different types of music. Over the life of your ownership you’ll probably buy around 25 additional song packs in digital downloads. So, what used to be a $50 sale is a $500 sale today.

Aside from that it wouldn't even really matter if the content is done before or after release, Shale and Zaeed were "Downloadable Content" via a Code in every box too, free for everyone buying new, the same code is part of every Mass Effect 3 CE (I guess it means "Complete Edition" rather than "Collector's Edition" in this context) and it could also be part of every single SE without any major change to any code on the disk...

It seriously almost hurts my brain that there are people out there actually buying that they're doing this "extra content" for anything else than fleecing their customers.

Especially since they've been so thorough with Mass Effect 3 to make that abundantly clear for everyone:
- Important Day-15 Pay-DLC: http://kotaku.com/58...oils-plot-point
- Collector's Edition/Deluxe Edition with even more Exklusive In-Game Content (Bonus Mission + Character, Arsenal Pack, Hoodie, Robot Dog, Squad Appearence Pack)
- Several different Pre-Order Bonuses from a varying amount of Retailers and Online Distribution platforms like Origin, e.g. AT-12 Raider Shotgun or Warfare Gear etc.
- Cross-Game Promotion to Demo of another game (Kingdom of Amalur for Launcher Weapon + Armor)
- iOS Game as "tie-in", that can supposedly alter your progress in Mass Effect 3
- The game as a whole was pushed back because EA demanded a Multiplayer-Mode for all of its games, respective there's now an "Online-Pass".
- Additional Exclusive Bonus DLC with the different Action figures, "Collect all 8 for the full experience!", the Liara figure and a whole bunch of Razer Hardware
- I could bet that before or shortly after release there's going to be even more stuff offering additional DLC or content, maybe including Dr. Pepper Codes and another one of them Facebook games or something similar.

Whoever still believes that they're doing all this with "good intentions" and it's not just a pure marketing stunt to press as much money from their existing customer base is imo blind... if one cares about it so much that one doesn't buy the game is left to every single individual and I for one decided to cancel my SW:TOR subscription and not buy Mass Effect 3, but this mass delusion is really starting to get on my ******.

These publishers are taking it ever one step further, in Assassin's Creed II, they cut out an entire chapter near the end of the game to release it as DLC. Same thing happened with L.A. Noire as there were several (5 I think) "cases" with main story plot-points in them as well as dialogue that were "Pre-Order Bonuses" and DLC to buy later on. In Mafia2 they cut out a few characters and "Free-Roam" gameplay they showed before to add it later as DLC. "Arrival" for Mass Effect 2 came close as it's supposed to close the gap between it and the third part. "The Missing Link" for Deus Ex: Human Revolution ties loose ends that would let the ending of the original game make more sense, same thing with the "Sebastian" DLC for Dragon Age 2.
And there's always also the thing with the "on-disc" DLC, Capcom for instance is famously known for by selling "unlock codes" to stuff that is already on the disc.
By buying into this kind of business practice you are legitimizing it and are green-lighting them to do something even worse the next time and are making gaming as a whole more expensive and worse for everyone involved than the publishers themselves...

tl;dr.

All I know is if you aren't here to praise BioWare's gracious decision to gift us with the Prothean DLC at a fair price - they could've easily not released it outside of CE - then you should probably leave, or at the very least, stop spreading negativity around here. People ought to be giving BioWare their full support on everything they do. After all, without them, there's no Mass Effect.

If you don't like that, then don't post because there are millions of people who feel the same way I do and it isn't your right to ruin everyone else's fun.

[GnusmasTHX]

gabe2gg wrote...

Sofia Lamb wrote...

mrbauxjangles wrote...

It is not about money and it is not about the CE. It is the fact that the squadmate is a major thing is the mass effect plot. ITS A GOD DAMN PROTHEAN. If the squadmate was just another zaeed then we would not care but you cannot put something this major into the game and tell people to pay more for it.

Despite being a Prothean he is not really that important to the plot.

Source?


?

The script.

Also anything you hear from him is also heard from somewhere else without the DLC.

[PSUHammer]

foo man chew wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Maeshone wrote...

To everyone deriding bioware for this. The extra character has been known to be part of the collectors edition since July. Why haven't you kicked up this ****storm before, y'know, back when you could actually influence the design decisions of this game?

Because a certain small section of the Internet are belligerent whiners devoid of any sense of reason or logic.

I ordered the CE in advance (and paid extra for it) with the understanding I would be receiving said Character as part of my game.  Why a certain portion of the population thinks they should be entitled to this for free is beyond me.

"Because it SHOULD be part of the game."  What?  That is the stupidest entitlement bullsh*t I have ever heard.  Way to remove logic from your world.  Why would they diminish the value of all the CEs that people preordered?

What is stupid is every since gamestop put up that article are gamers entitled that word is all you hear everytime someone doesnt agree with someone elses point of view.But since you like the word entitled so much let me use it a bit.As a consumer i feel im entitled to a finished product this is true for every product why should gameing be any different.When they cut content and then sell it to me the same day i buy the product its not complete,Its a cash grab nothing more nothing less.If you like paying extra thats fine but dont accuse everybody else who doesnt like this particular buisness practice by calling them entitled.

I have no idea what you are refering to as I don't shop or visit Gamestop sites.  But, you are indeed acting entitled.  The developers said the base game is the full ME3 game.  You are calling them liars.  End of story.  The character has been known about for months and no one cared.  All of a sudden they offer him up to people who didn't buy the CE and you are bitter?  Makes no sense to me.

So, yes, I am calling you entitled.

[GnusmasTHX]

I'm going to laugh when the game comes out and people see the grand role of the Prothean squadmate.

[RiouHotaru]

Dexter111 wrote...
*Massive wall of text and the same old image from before*

If you want to be skeptical, that's your perogative, but so far the evidence doesn't support you.  The game undergoes certification, and THEN goes gold.  Just because it was announced as going gold doesn't mean they weren't done and just waiting for a response until then, during which time they worked on the DLC.

- Retailer pre-order bonuses have been around for ME2 as well, this isn't anything new
- The KoA demo unlocks don't count because the demo was FREE.  That's right, the KoA demo was released for FREE.  DLC can't count against anyone when you didn't pay for it.
- The DLC with the figurines was confirmed to be packs for the MP mode, nothing more.  And nothing you couldn't unlock yourself when the game came out.
- The game was underdoing certification during January, at which point they started work on From Ashes.  The leak didn't occur until just a few days ago, meaning they've had well over a month and a half to work on it.  It's already stated they were pushing themselves to get it done by launch date for the CE pre-orders AND to have to ready for everyone else.

[KingJason13]

The Prothean sounds like Mass Effect's version of Jar Jar Binks!

[GuyIncognito21]

RiouHotaru wrote...
If the content could have existed, then you'll argue they shouldn't charge for it or "include it in the main game" (despite the fact doing so was patently impossible)

If the content couldn't have exist, you'll go "Then you should've just scrapped it."

You've basically set up a no-win situation with a trick question whose answers only ever benefit you, without considering possibilities.

I don't understand what "could have existed" means.  And it's not a no-win situation.  In fact, you put two ways for them to "win" in the very post you're suggesting presents a no-win situation!

They could have made the content free DLC or they could have scrapped it.  Either way this entire controversy gets avoided.

And what does "benefit me" have to do with anything?  How would them scrapping the entire thing "benefit me?"

The fact I'm even willing to still pay for their game in the age of "free digital everything" is proof that I'm not overly concerned about what "benefits me."

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 24 février 2012 - 01:42 .

[Evilelf007]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...
Thay are in this to make money remember.

Haha my friend, you don't need to convince me of that, it's the entire point of my argument. 

If we all acknowledge they're in this for the money, I don't see why the suggestion that this is a money ploy should be met with so much hostility.

If you don't want to believe what Bioware has flat out stated publicly

Have they stated it publicly?  I've repeatedly asked to have a dev outrightly state that had they only been able to charge $60 for this game, this content would have never existed, and thus far have received no response.

Their public statements are about their conception of what a "completed" game is, but that's not really the issue.  I don't care if Bioware thinks it's complete, I want to know that in a system where they could not separately monetize this content it wouldn't have ever existed.

I don't think anyone has denied that Bioware is trying to maximize profits.  Some people have a problem with that, others don't.  I for one respect their right to handle their intellectual property how they see fit to make a profit.  I think they make a spectacular product and I think it's in a reasonable price range compared to other products that they completely blow away... so I hold no ill will towards them for this.  I say props to them for pulling off such a cool product and making money at the same time!  In the end, the world is a better place for them having done the Mass Effect series IMO.

As for your questions about the completed game issue and whether this content would never have existed etc.  I think all you have to do is look at game development history prior to the age of dlc. 

Countless games tried to hard to get too much and suffered from delays that sometimes lasted years, and thus the game suffered as by the time they came out they were extremely dated in look and feel.  Other games took another route and tried to reach a deadline no matter what, and ended up having to cut out key plot elements and hub worlds simply because they never had the time.

I'm actually thankful for the age of dlc... as I have seen far fewer of those past instances since!

[TheStoner]

KBomb wrote...

Maeshone wrote...

To everyone deriding bioware for this. The extra character has been known to be part of the collectors edition since July. Why haven't you kicked up this ****storm before, y'know, back when you could actually influence the design decisions of this game?

 
Good question for those who are complaining about the CE having a character and mission added. For those who are upset over the fact the Day One DLC is a prothean. Who knows. Maybe because they believed Bioware when they denied a prothean was the character and said it was just a typo.

Because I never read the advertisement. Whys should I? I can't justify spending the extra cash at the moment.

[ZX12r Ninja]

Protheans are important?

* Protheans were a space fearing species who lived 50.000 years ago,
* they dind't build the relays and they didn't build the Citadel,
* their technology was mostly based on stuff left behind from other species from other cycles,
* they were the last victims of this cycle which is going on,
* they were attacked by the Reapers,
* because of problems of harvesting them the Reapers re purposed them as the collectors and they now serve/used to serve the Reapers.
* Shepard wiped them out in ME2.

The Reapers have been at it for milions of years, every 50.000 years would add upto hundreds maybe thousands of species, do we also need information on those? We know just about everything we need to know about the Protheans, now what about them Reapers?

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 24 février 2012 - 01:47 .

[daddyjah21]

 since i got in trouble from jeremy lin brother but most people know as stanley woo i post the lies here  www.el33tonline.com/past/2012/2/23/dont_worry_the_mass_effect/ end of wine:pinched:

[Gobbi82]

@ Dexter111

Very well written, and that's pretty much what I have also been trying to say

[GuyIncognito21]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

I'm going to laugh when the game comes out and people see the grand role of the Prothean squadmate.

Bringing the protheans back from the dead only to give them a totally meaningless role would be even more offensive than what is being suggested right now.

[rainasa]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

That doesn't make sense.  Had they never added a prothean, it would be assumed that it wasn't integral.  The fact that they DID add one and are demanding 17% of the total game cost for it suggests the exact opposite.

Just because the Emperor never showed up in the first Star Wars doesn't prove how unneeded that character was.  That's a very strange argument to make.

look, you know nothing about the leaked script other than the fact that the prothean was in it, while those that read it have told you and everyone else that at the end of the day he wasnt even that imporant in it many times now. he had the parts where the story revolved around him cut and was then made into an optional character with almost no impact the actual story and only provides some new lore that is not nessisary to the plot of ME3, saying someone like that should not cost 10$ is a valid complaint (one i personally disagree with), but claiming that they cut content meant for the actual release of ME3 to be made as DLC is not.

Modifié par rainasa, 24 février 2012 - 01:44 .

[Descedent]

people if your quoting a long post, ffs don't include the wall of text

[GnusmasTHX]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

I'm going to laugh when the game comes out and people see the grand role of the Prothean squadmate.

Bringing the protheans back from the dead only to give them a totally meaningless role would be even more offensive than what is being suggested right now.

No it isn't.

Look at the universe you're talking about and look at what the Protheans were and what they did in their last years.

His existence makes sense. He makes sense. He's just not Prothean Jesus that people think he will be.