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[thatguy212]

So i guess jessica merizan is on reddit (or someone claiming to be her) and while she did not outright say it, she hinted that the prothean is always in the game, you just need the dlc to have him as a squadmate
http://www.reddit.co...n_community.../

Modifié par thatguy212, 24 février 2012 - 01:46 .

[RiouHotaru]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...
Just because you FEEL something is integral to the game doesn't mean it really is.  You feel the character is integral because of his species alone.  That alone actually means nothing since the Galactic war is already in full swing.  The Protheans were integral to discovering about the reapers in the first place.  Guess what... discovery is over.  The Reapers are here.  The Prothean role is all but over.

Obviously the prothean role isn't over, that's the entire point.  And the fact that I "feel" something is integral is why I "say" it's integral, obviously.

And since my feelings are the ones that determine whether BW gets my money, I think my feelings are relevant to the issue.

Having never even had an actual living Prothean at all in the game up to this point kind of proves how uneeded a living Prothean really is.

Had Bioware never had a Prothean character, I doubt you'd have ever been up in arms about not having such an "integral" character in the first place.  You want the character for the same reason I do... just the cool factor of it.

That doesn't make sense.  Had they never added a prothean, it would be assumed that it wasn't integral.  The fact that they DID add one and are demanding 17% of the total game cost for it suggests the exact opposite.

Just because the Emperor never showed up in the first Star Wars doesn't prove how unneeded that character was.  That's a very strange argument to make.

False example.  The Emperor is a core character to the Star Wars Trilogy.

A single Prothean isn't integral to the Mass Effect Trilogy, nor a core character.  The two are NOT comparable.

[GuyIncognito21]

Evilelf007 wrote...

  I for one respect their right to handle their intellectual property how they see fit to make a profit. 

What does that MEAN, though?  Does "respecting their right" mean you'll open your wallet no matter how awful this stuff gets?  I assume not.  That means you draw a line somewhere.  That we haven't yet hit your line is not proof that they're not moving in the wrong direction.

As for your questions about the completed game issue and whether this content would never have existed etc.  I think all you have to do is look at game development history prior to the age of dlc. 

Why not look at the age OF DLC?  Mass Effect 2 had Day 1 DLC too.  That was a character and a mission too.  The difference was they didn't demand everyone give them more money for it.

[TheStoner]

CrustyBot wrote...

tl;dr.

All I know is if you aren't here to praise BioWare's gracious decision to gift us with the Prothean DLC at a fair price - they could've easily not released it outside of CE - then you should probably leave, or at the very least, stop spreading negativity around here. People ought to be giving BioWare their full support on everything they do. After all, without them, there's no Mass Effect.

If you don't like that, then don't post because there are millions of people who feel the same way I do and it isn't your right to ruin everyone else's fun.

Wow just wow

[PSUHammer]

rainasa wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

That doesn't make sense.  Had they never added a prothean, it would be assumed that it wasn't integral.  The fact that they DID add one and are demanding 17% of the total game cost for it suggests the exact opposite.

Just because the Emperor never showed up in the first Star Wars doesn't prove how unneeded that character was.  That's a very strange argument to make.

look, you know nothing about the leaked script other than the fact that the prothean was in it, while those that read it have told you and everyone else that at the end of the day he wasnt even that imporant in it many times now. he had the parts where the story revolved around him cut and was then made into an optional character with almost no impact the actual story and only provides some new lore that is not nessisary to the plot of ME3, saying someone like that should not cost 10$ is a valid complaint (one i personally disagree with), but claiming that they cut content meant for the actual release of ME3 to be made as DLC is not.

And, on top of that, the cost is irrelevant if Bioware thinks it justifies the resources they threw at the content. What is relevant is whether or not it is worth that much to the consumer.

Personally, I would have passed on Kasumi had I known much about her beforehand. 

[TheRealJayDee]

CrustyBot wrote...

tl;dr.

All I know is if you aren't here to praise BioWare's gracious decision to gift us with the Prothean DLC at a fair price - they could've easily not released it outside of CE - then you should probably leave, or at the very least, stop spreading negativity around here. People ought to be giving BioWare their full support on everything they do. After all, without them, there's no Mass Effect.

If you don't like that, then don't post because there are millions of people who feel the same way I do and it isn't your right to ruin everyone else's fun.

Okay, I really don't remember you to be like this post would let one think. So to keep at least a bit of my sanity in this thread of madness I simply decide to think of this as one very sarcastic post.

[Evilelf007]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...
Just because you FEEL something is integral to the game doesn't mean it really is.  You feel the character is integral because of his species alone.  That alone actually means nothing since the Galactic war is already in full swing.  The Protheans were integral to discovering about the reapers in the first place.  Guess what... discovery is over.  The Reapers are here.  The Prothean role is all but over.

Obviously the prothean role isn't over, that's the entire point.  And the fact that I "feel" something is integral is why I "say" it's integral, obviously.

And since my feelings are the ones that determine whether BW gets my money, I think my feelings are relevant to the issue.

Having never even had an actual living Prothean at all in the game up to this point kind of proves how uneeded a living Prothean really is.

Had Bioware never had a Prothean character, I doubt you'd have ever been up in arms about not having such an "integral" character in the first place.  You want the character for the same reason I do... just the cool factor of it.

That doesn't make sense.  Had they never added a prothean, it would be assumed that it wasn't integral.  The fact that they DID add one and are demanding 17% of the total game cost for it suggests the exact opposite.

Just because the Emperor never showed up in the first Star Wars doesn't prove how unneeded that character was.  That's a very strange argument to make.

The Emperor analogy doesn't work.  I didn't say the character means nothing because he wasn't there.  i stated he means nothing because of where the story has gone from in terms of when he might have meant something in the first place.

[ArkkAngel007]

Dexter111 wrote...
mumboblarrgh

Ok, so where to begin...first, the list of DLC that is listed...only those in the CE and pre-order are things not available in the main game.  All the other stuff is available in multiplayer. 

The Prothean content wasn't cut to be DLC, it was added to be DLC.  So that silly diagram (which isn't applicable, since most games don't cut core content for DLC) needs to stop being used.

They didn't develop the DLC after going gold.  It was completed during the certification process of the game.  Work began being focused on the DLC after the main game was completed.

The iOS game adds a few additional war assets that are in addition to what you can get in the main game I believe, as well as multiplayer perks that are available in the main game.  There's also nothing wrong in cross-promotion, especially if it's free.

The L.A. Noire DLC wasn't important, neither was the Assassin's Creed 2 DLC.  

The only thing on disc was necessary work that had to be completed during the main development and had to tie the DLC to the main game, such as marker indications for cutscenes and main levels.

[Descedent]

thatguy212 wrote...

So i guess jessica merizan is on reddit (or someone claiming to be her) and while she did not outright say it, she hinted that the prothean is always in the game, you just need the dlc to have him as a squadmate
http://www.reddit.co...n_community.../

if that's the truth Bioware needs to WAKE THE F UP and publicly state that so this madness will stop!

[GuyIncognito21]

RiouHotaru wrote...
The Emperor is a core character to the Star Wars Trilogy.

By George he's got it!  Many people (including me) feel the protheans are at the core of this galactic trilogy, hence the outrage.

It's also obvious to me that the developers themselves share that view (or at least acknowledge their customers hold it) which is why they created this character in the first place, and (importantly) why they're trying to leech more money out of people to access it.

[Yuoaman]

thatguy212 wrote...

So i guess jessica merizan is on reddit (or someone claiming to be her) and while she did not outright say it, she hinted that the prothean is always in the game, you just need the dlc to have him as a squadmate
http://www.reddit.co...n_community.../

She doesn't say that at all, he is not in the game unless you get the DLC.

[foo man chew]

Hammer6767 wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Maeshone wrote...

To everyone deriding bioware for this. The extra character has been known to be part of the collectors edition since July. Why haven't you kicked up this ****storm before, y'know, back when you could actually influence the design decisions of this game?

Because a certain small section of the Internet are belligerent whiners devoid of any sense of reason or logic.

I ordered the CE in advance (and paid extra for it) with the understanding I would be receiving said Character as part of my game.  Why a certain portion of the population thinks they should be entitled to this for free is beyond me.

"Because it SHOULD be part of the game."  What?  That is the stupidest entitlement bullsh*t I have ever heard.  Way to remove logic from your world.  Why would they diminish the value of all the CEs that people preordered?

What is stupid is every since gamestop put up that article are gamers entitled that word is all you hear everytime someone doesnt agree with someone elses point of view.But since you like the word entitled so much let me use it a bit.As a consumer i feel im entitled to a finished product this is true for every product why should gameing be any different.When they cut content and then sell it to me the same day i buy the product its not complete,Its a cash grab nothing more nothing less.If you like paying extra thats fine but dont accuse everybody else who doesnt like this particular buisness practice by calling them entitled.

I have no idea what you are refering to as I don't shop or visit Gamestop sites.  But, you are indeed acting entitled.  The developers said the base game is the full ME3 game.  You are calling them liars.  End of story.  The character has been known about for months and no one cared.  All of a sudden they offer him up to people who didn't buy the CE and you are bitter?  Makes no sense to me.

So, yes, I am calling you entitled.

So what they say is absolute because you say so.Do you walk around life so blindly or is it only when your a fan of a certain video game.So with your logic every company is 100 percent honest all the time even though they are trying to sell you a product.

[ArkkAngel007]

thatguy212 wrote...

So i guess jessica merizan is on reddit (or someone claiming to be her) and while she did not outright say it, she hinted that the prothean is always in the game, you just need the dlc to have him as a squadmate
http://www.reddit.co...n_community.../

It is Jessica.  I don't know if she did that...she did state though that the information he provides is attainable in the main game, just not with his insight or personality behind it.

[blindchaos]

thatguy212 wrote...

So i guess jessica merizan is on reddit (or someone claiming to be her) and while she did not outright say it, she hinted that the prothean is always in the game, you just need the dlc to have him as a squadmate
http://www.reddit.co...n_community.../

This would be very interesting, if the DLC only gave you access to control the prothean or have certain conversations, but did not strip him of his relevance to the plot.  It sounds like an interesting, if imperfect compromise.

[TheStoner]

Evilelf007 wrote...
 I for one respect their right to handle their intellectual property how they see fit to make a profit. 

As do we all. Which is why we are boycotting and discussing rather than trying to take away thier rights.

[Draconis6666]

TheStoner wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

tl;dr.

All I know is if you aren't here to praise BioWare's gracious decision to gift us with the Prothean DLC at a fair price - they could've easily not released it outside of CE - then you should probably leave, or at the very least, stop spreading negativity around here. People ought to be giving BioWare their full support on everything they do. After all, without them, there's no Mass Effect.

If you don't like that, then don't post because there are millions of people who feel the same way I do and it isn't your right to ruin everyone else's fun.

Wow just wow

The claim is just as accurate as the claims of people who insist that DLC should be done away with because EVERYONE agrees wiht them or "the majority of people agree" etc. Both are rediculous and unfounded statements with no basis in fact.

[tetrisblock4x1]

CrustyBot wrote...

tl;dr.

All I know is if you aren't here to praise BioWare's gracious decision to gift us with the Prothean DLC at a fair price - they could've easily not released it outside of CE - then you should probably leave, or at the very least, stop spreading negativity around here. People ought to be giving BioWare their full support on everything they do. After all, without them, there's no Mass Effect.

If you don't like that, then don't post because there are millions of people who feel the same way I do and it isn't your right to ruin everyone else's fun.

Crustybot is  right Bioware deserves nothing less then our unconditional support and all of our love <3<3 WE LOVE YOU BIOWARE AND I WILL BUY ME3 TWICE!

[Draconis6666]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
The Emperor is a core character to the Star Wars Trilogy.

By George he's got it!  Many people (including me) feel the protheans are at the core of this galactic trilogy, hence the outrage.

It's also obvious to me that the developers themselves share that view (or at least acknowledge their customers hold it) which is why they created this character in the first place, and (importantly) why they're trying to leech more money out of people to access it.

Your analogy is incorrect however

The Emperor in this case is the entire prothean race, the prothean character by extension would be the equivelant to a single action the emperor has taken during his lifespan which may or may not be completely irrelevant to the rest of the story,

[Yuoaman]

Guys. Guys.

Sarcasm is fine, just try not to use it the veil your insults, at least not so thinly. So many thin veils that I don't know what I'm going to do with them all.

Just stay civil while I make my Jello, jeez.

[blindchaos]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
The Emperor is a core character to the Star Wars Trilogy.

By George he's got it!  Many people (including me) feel the protheans are at the core of this galactic trilogy, hence the outrage.

It's also obvious to me that the developers themselves share that view (or at least acknowledge their customers hold it) which is why they created this character in the first place, and (importantly) why they're trying to leech more money out of people to access it.

This is a completely fair assertion, and I think you are right that the Protheans are a huge part of the greater Mass Effect lore for many consumers.  This is probably why the Prothean is DLC and not a Human like Vega.

However, Protheans being a big part of the surrounding lore, does not mean that they are a big part of the current Reaper Invasion, or that they are in any way vital to Earth and the rest of the galaxy's survival.

[FSOAH]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Protheans are important?

* Protheans were a space fearing species who lived 50.000 years ago,
* they dind't build the relays and they didn't build the Citadel,
* their technology was mostly based on stuff left behind from other species from other cycles,
* they were the last victims of this cycle which is going on,
* they were attacked by the Reapers,
* because of problems of harvesting them the Reapers re purposed them as the collectors and they now serve/used to serve the Reapers.
* Shepard wiped them out in ME2.

The Reapers have been at it for milions of years, every 50.000 years would add upto hundreds maybe thousands of species, do we also need information on those? We know just about everything we need to know about the Protheans, now what about them Reapers?

Didn't you play ME1 or 2?

[ArkkAngel007]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
The Emperor is a core character to the Star Wars Trilogy.

By George he's got it!  Many people (including me) feel the protheans are at the core of this galactic trilogy, hence the outrage.

It's also obvious to me that the developers themselves share that view (or at least acknowledge their customers hold it) which is why they created this character in the first place, and (importantly) why they're trying to leech more money out of people to access it.

There's a difference to feeling that they should be a core character to actually being a core character.

It's like saying Exar Kun should have been in the films because his generation of the Sith brought forth what their image is and resulted in Palpatine's actions in the prequels.

Sounds dumb?  That's because bringing the Prothean into this is dumb in the first place.  But that's just my opinion, just like yours.  Too bad we can't actually write the game, right?

[rumbalumba]

boycott boycott boycott!


yes, ive cancelled my preorder! woot woot! power to the gamer!

[RiouHotaru]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
The Emperor is a core character to the Star Wars Trilogy.

By George he's got it!  Many people (including me) feel the protheans are at the core of this galactic trilogy, hence the outrage.

It's also obvious to me that the developers themselves share that view (or at least acknowledge their customers hold it) which is why they created this character in the first place, and (importantly) why they're trying to leech more money out of people to access it.

Uhhh, no.  Now you're cherry-picking and misquoting me.  Use my entire post.

"The Emperor is a core character to the Star Wars Trilogy"

"A single Prothean is NOT integral to the Mass Effect Trilogy."

Again, we have the script, and the track record of previous DLC characters to show the Prothean WON'T be plot-critical to ME3.  Which in my opinion is perfectly fine.  Because to make the Prothean plot-critical would shift focus away from what ME3 is going for.

And let's face it, the Prothean's aren't central to the trilogy, at least not anymore.  To use your own example, Obi-Wan was plot-critical in ANH, and partially critial in ESB, but had essentially NO relevance in ROTJ.  The Protheans are the exact same.  ME1, they were important because they were the precursor civilization.  In ME2 they were partially relevant due to them being the Collectors.  But now we're in ME3, and they no longer matter anymore.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 24 février 2012 - 01:55 .

[Renegade133]

If you wanted to get a complete version why not just get a collector edition its unreasonable to expect that you should be entitled to everything that's in the collectors edition for free while the collector edition costs a fair bit more then the standard edition the fact that they are even offering this so early is a gift to the people who are just going to buy the standard edition