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[ArkkAngel007]

FSOAH wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Protheans are important?

* Protheans were a space fearing species who lived 50.000 years ago,
* they dind't build the relays and they didn't build the Citadel,
* their technology was mostly based on stuff left behind from other species from other cycles,
* they were the last victims of this cycle which is going on,
* they were attacked by the Reapers,
* because of problems of harvesting them the Reapers re purposed them as the collectors and they now serve/used to serve the Reapers.
* Shepard wiped them out in ME2.

The Reapers have been at it for milions of years, every 50.000 years would add upto hundreds maybe thousands of species, do we also need information on those? We know just about everything we need to know about the Protheans, now what about them Reapers?

Didn't you play ME1 or 2?

The Protheans only did what they could because...wait, that may be a spoiler for ME3...way for the general discussion forum to ruin the hole in one.

[gabe2gg]

FSOAH wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Protheans are important?

* Protheans were a space fearing species who lived 50.000 years ago,
* they dind't build the relays and they didn't build the Citadel,
* their technology was mostly based on stuff left behind from other species from other cycles,
* they were the last victims of this cycle which is going on,
* they were attacked by the Reapers,
* because of problems of harvesting them the Reapers re purposed them as the collectors and they now serve/used to serve the Reapers.
* Shepard wiped them out in ME2.

The Reapers have been at it for milions of years, every 50.000 years would add upto hundreds maybe thousands of species, do we also need information on those? We know just about everything we need to know about the Protheans, now what about them Reapers?

Didn't you play ME1 or 2?

this or he's trolling

[rainasa]

Draconis6666 wrote...


Your analogy is incorrect however

The Emperor in this case is the entire prothean race, the prothean character by extension would be the equivelant to a single action the emperor has taken during his lifespan which may or may not be completely irrelevant to the rest of the story,

yep, even in the original he really wasnt going to act as mr exposition and give you full answers to your every whim about the protheans

[Venudude]

I can't believe that so many people are prepared to accept Day 1 DLC. This is becoming an intentional part of the development cycle, and is just going to continue if consumers are prepared to fork out for it. It happened in DA2, now with ME3, and will inevitably feature in DA3. This is becoming the standard for EA/Bioware and will continue unless the consumer speaks out and takes action.

I won't be buying ME3. I've been buying Bioware games for years, but I am fed up with this business practice of shamelessly cashing in as much as possible on DLC. It's gotten to the stage where they are not just selling "another party member" as in DA2, but a party member who is central to all the lore and backstory of the ME3 universe. To any ME fan this could be considered almost essential DLC... and that's just despicable business practice. You SHOULD NOT need a collector's edition to get the full experience, I'm sorry.

[blindchaos]

FSOAH wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Protheans are important?

* Protheans were a space fearing species who lived 50.000 years ago,
* they dind't build the relays and they didn't build the Citadel,
* their technology was mostly based on stuff left behind from other species from other cycles,
* they were the last victims of this cycle which is going on,
* they were attacked by the Reapers,
* because of problems of harvesting them the Reapers re purposed them as the collectors and they now serve/used to serve the Reapers.
* Shepard wiped them out in ME2.

The Reapers have been at it for milions of years, every 50.000 years would add upto hundreds maybe thousands of species, do we also need information on those? We know just about everything we need to know about the Protheans, now what about them Reapers?

Didn't you play ME1 or 2?

Not quite sure what you mean, everything he said is correct.  He did leave out the Conduit and the Beacons, but they both became innactive after ME1, and their Legacy seemed to have ended with the Collectors, of course that could change in ME3 with or without Prothy

[Maeshone]

FSOAH wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Protheans are important?

* Protheans were a space fearing species who lived 50.000 years ago,
* they dind't build the relays and they didn't build the Citadel,
* their technology was mostly based on stuff left behind from other species from other cycles,
* they were the last victims of this cycle which is going on,
* they were attacked by the Reapers,
* because of problems of harvesting them the Reapers re purposed them as the collectors and they now serve/used to serve the Reapers.
* Shepard wiped them out in ME2.

The Reapers have been at it for milions of years, every 50.000 years would add upto hundreds maybe thousands of species, do we also need information on those? We know just about everything we need to know about the Protheans, now what about them Reapers?

Didn't you play ME1 or 2?

I think most people on this board did, and some at least in my opinion the protheans story was done in ME1. They built the conduit and changed the keeper signal. Whoop de doo, both of those plot points were brought to their conclusion in ME1. There nothing more to it. Besides, this Prothean was in stasis on Eden Prime if you are to believe people. and therefore knows jack **** about what the crackpots on Ilos were doing. So, this Prothean is really not that important...

[Renegade133]

RiouHotaru wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
The Emperor is a core character to the Star Wars Trilogy.

By George he's got it!  Many people (including me) feel the protheans are at the core of this galactic trilogy, hence the outrage.

It's also obvious to me that the developers themselves share that view (or at least acknowledge their customers hold it) which is why they created this character in the first place, and (importantly) why they're trying to leech more money out of people to access it.

Uhhh, no.  Now you're cherry-picking and misquoting me.  Use my entire post.

"The Emperor is a core character to the Star Wars Trilogy"

"A single Prothean is NOT integral to the Mass Effect Trilogy."

Again, we have the script, and the track record of previous DLC characters to show the Prothean WON'T be plot-critical to ME3.  Which in my opinion is perfectly fine.  Because to make the Prothean plot-critical would shift focus away from what ME3 is going for.

And let's face it, the Prothean's aren't central to the trilogy, at least not anymore.  To use your own example, Obi-Wan was plot-critical in ANH, and partially critial in ESB, but had essentially NO relevance in ROTJ.  The Protheans are the exact same.  ME1, they were important because they were the precursor civilization.  In ME2 they were partially relevant due to them being the Collectors.  But now we're in ME3, and they no longer matter anymore.

We dont know the full story yet so throwing claims like the protheans arnt relevenat anymore isnt exactly confirmed yet

[Cortyman]

I just have to laugh to myself whenever I see someone who wants to 'boycott' this game because it will cost them an extra 10 bucks. We are not paying 10 bucks for a weapon, or a costume, we are getting a weapon, a costume for every player, a new squad mate (spare me the "It's a PROTHEAN vital to the lore of the game), and a new side mission.

Until now I didn't know about the new weapon and costumes for everyone, but I have pre-ordered the Collectors Edition and I have to say it is well worth the money (considering everything you get for that extra $20)

If you feel $10 is too much I am sure you can skip that night out dancing in the clubs or that trip to KFC or McDonald's. This is good value, don't deny yourself this just to 'make a stand', you only hurt yourself in the end, not Bioware

[foo man chew]

Renegade133 wrote...

If you wanted to get a complete version why not just get a collector edition its unreasonable to expect that you should be entitled to everything that's in the collectors edition for free while the collector edition costs a fair bit more then the standard edition the fact that they are even offering this so early is a gift to the people who are just going to buy the standard edition

So to get a complete game everybody should of paid 20 dolars more.Right that makes sense.

[rainasa]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


The Protheans only did what they could because...wait, that may be a spoiler for ME3...way for the general discussion forum to ruin the hole in one.

a part of me really just wants to spew everything i can remember from both scripts so I could change a few peoples opinions, but I really dont want to get banned.

Modifié par rainasa, 24 février 2012 - 01:59 .

[_symphony]

blindchaos wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

So i guess jessica merizan is on reddit (or someone claiming to be her) and while she did not outright say it, she hinted that the prothean is always in the game, you just need the dlc to have him as a squadmate
http://www.reddit.co...n_community.../

This would be very interesting, if the DLC only gave you access to control the prothean or have certain conversations, but did not strip him of his relevance to the plot.  It sounds like an interesting, if imperfect compromise.

I would be very glad if this is the case.

[tetrisblock4x1]

If any of you are uncertain of how much Bioware thinks of the BSN minority opinion and how likely it is that we can influence them then pay attention. EA is on the stock market alright? This means that the more ME3 sells the more that EA shares are worth, the happier the share holders will be. I'm sure that you can all figure out the rest on your own. Corporate power will win, it always has and it always will, the sooner that you no good rebellious Biodrones accept that the happier you'll be. Now go and buy that DLC like happy little sheep.

[GnusmasTHX]

rainasa wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


The Protheans only did what they could because...wait, that may be a spoiler for ME3...way for the general discussion forum to ruin the hole in one.

a part of me really just wants to spew everything i can remember from both scripts so could change a few peoples opinions, but I really dont want to get banned.

A part of me, most of it, doesn't care about the people going, "OMG HE'S GOING TO DO EVERYTHING, WHY IS HE DLC"

[GuyIncognito21]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
There's a difference to feeling that they should be a core character to actually being a core character.

There is a difference, but that distinction doesn't alter my frustration regardless of what the answer turns out to be.

If they stuck a prothean in the game just for kicks but there's not really any reason for it to be there and it doesn't really serve a purpose, then that's every bit as offensive as making it really important and demanding more money for it.

If that's the case (and as you suggest) the character shouldn't exist at all, and the fact that it does exist (wait for it...) comes off as a money-grubbing ploy trying to capitalize on the consumer's misunderstanding of its importance.

[Draconis6666]

Renegade133 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
The Emperor is a core character to the Star Wars Trilogy.

By George he's got it!  Many people (including me) feel the protheans are at the core of this galactic trilogy, hence the outrage.

It's also obvious to me that the developers themselves share that view (or at least acknowledge their customers hold it) which is why they created this character in the first place, and (importantly) why they're trying to leech more money out of people to access it.

Uhhh, no.  Now you're cherry-picking and misquoting me.  Use my entire post.

"The Emperor is a core character to the Star Wars Trilogy"

"A single Prothean is NOT integral to the Mass Effect Trilogy."

Again, we have the script, and the track record of previous DLC characters to show the Prothean WON'T be plot-critical to ME3.  Which in my opinion is perfectly fine.  Because to make the Prothean plot-critical would shift focus away from what ME3 is going for.

And let's face it, the Prothean's aren't central to the trilogy, at least not anymore.  To use your own example, Obi-Wan was plot-critical in ANH, and partially critial in ESB, but had essentially NO relevance in ROTJ.  The Protheans are the exact same.  ME1, they were important because they were the precursor civilization.  In ME2 they were partially relevant due to them being the Collectors.  But now we're in ME3, and they no longer matter anymore.

We dont know the full story yet so throwing claims like the protheans arnt relevenat anymore isnt exactly confirmed yet

No but people are perfectly fine with asserting that he must be relevant without the same knowledge. The door swings both ways on that particular argument.

[Squallypo]

Descedent wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

So i guess jessica merizan is on reddit (or someone claiming to be her) and while she did not outright say it, she hinted that the prothean is always in the game, you just need the dlc to have him as a squadmate
http://www.reddit.co...n_community.../

if that's the truth Bioware needs to WAKE THE F UP and publicly state that so this madness will stop!

clears up that they strip out the prothean guy and made him dlc , problem with denial ?

[xellosDBS]

preorder cancelled.

[Varen Spectre]

Yuoaman wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

So i guess jessica merizan is on reddit (or someone claiming to be her) and while she did not outright say it, she hinted that the prothean is always in the game, you just need the dlc to have him as a squadmate
http://www.reddit.co...n_community.../

She doesn't say that at all, he is not in the game unless you get the DLC.

But that reply  sounds quite promising. Or?

Modifié par Varen Spectre, 24 février 2012 - 02:07 .

[Almostfaceman]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
There's a difference to feeling that they should be a core character to actually being a core character.

There is a difference, but that distinction doesn't alter my frustration regardless of what the answer turns out to be.

If they stuck a prothean in the game just for kicks but there's not really any reason for it to be there and it doesn't really serve a purpose, then that's every bit as offensive as making it really important and demanding more money for it.

If that's the case (and as you suggest) the character shouldn't exist at all, and the fact that it does exist (wait for it...) comes off as a money-grubbing ploy trying to capitalize on the consumer's misunderstanding of its importance.

Not really. If you don't want it, if you don't think the character will add a cool dimension to the game, it's not anything dramatic like money-grubbing. It's more like giving the customer options. If you don't want the leather seats, don't buy 'em. 

Ahh, the melodrama around here.

[GuyIncognito21]

RiouHotaru wrote...
Uhhh, no.  Now you're cherry-picking and misquoting me.  Use my entire post.

"The Emperor is a core character to the Star Wars Trilogy"

"A single Prothean is NOT integral to the Mass Effect Trilogy."

 

That's your opinion.  The reason I didn't include it is because it's not relevant to me (because I don't share your opinion).

The point is you apparently agree in principle that core content should not be withheld, which is all I really want out of you.

Whether you personally believe the protheans to be core content is not relevant to me.

Again, we have the script, and the track record of previous DLC characters to show the Prothean WON'T be plot-critical to ME3. 

If that's the case, then the character shouldn't even exist, or, at the very least, Bioware should come out and say that it's not remotely plot-critical and it should be thought of along the same lines as the robo pet.

That calls into question exactly why this content exists in the first place, but whatever.

[Draconis6666]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
There's a difference to feeling that they should be a core character to actually being a core character.

There is a difference, but that distinction doesn't alter my frustration regardless of what the answer turns out to be.

If they stuck a prothean in the game just for kicks but there's not really any reason for it to be there and it doesn't really serve a purpose, then that's every bit as offensive as making it really important and demanding more money for it.

If that's the case (and as you suggest) the character shouldn't exist at all, and the fact that it does exist (wait for it...) comes off as a money-grubbing ploy trying to capitalize on the consumer's misunderstanding of its importance.

Yet its your opinion that it is offensive which has no validity beyond the fact that its your opinion so it applies only to you and those who share it and is not any more right than the opinion of someone who doesnt find it offensive and thinks its cool that hes there even though he is useless. To think otherwise would be extremely arrogant and elitist.

As for the second point thats subjective, based on your analogy everything people create is this because producers make goods people will want, they are not in the business of spending money to make products that people dont want to buy. How they attract customers to buy these products does not make it "money grubbing"  unless you believe every person who markets their product at all is money grubbing in which case well you have alot bigger issues you should be arguing against like the core concepts of capitalism.

[rainasa]

Varen Spectre wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

So i guess jessica merizan is on reddit (or someone claiming to be her) and while she did not outright say it, she hinted that the prothean is always in the game, you just need the dlc to have him as a squadmate
http://www.reddit.co...n_community.../

She doesn't say that at all, he is not in the game unless you get the DLC.

But that reply  sounds quite promising. Or?

what she means is you can get most of the information the prothean gives you from diffrent sources

compare it to somthing tali says about the quarians to what to codex says about quarians

[GuyIncognito21]

Almostfaceman wrote...
Not really. If you don't want it, if you don't think the character will add a cool dimension to the game, it's not anything dramatic like money-grubbing.

I DO think it will add something cool to the game, which is the source of my consternation.  The apologists are trying to tell me it's not important to the game.

That's how perverse this argument has gotten.  The people defending the monetization of this content are doing so by stressing how unimportant the content is.  Does that seem backward to anyone else?

[Takamori The Templar]

I would switch my sorry copy of Gears of War MP for the Prothean Squad.

[GuyIncognito21]

Draconis6666 wrote...
Yet its your opinion that it is offensive which has no validity beyond the fact that its your opinion so it applies only to you and those who share it and is not any more right than the opinion of someone who doesnt find it offensive and thinks its cool that hes there even though he is useless. To think otherwise would be extremely arrogant and elitist.

So what?  Have I ever claimed my opinion stands for more than my opinion?   What does that have to do with anything being discussed?